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*~*THE~NEXT~STERN*~*

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#840 6 years ago
Quoted from rammstein99:

How about Live PD?

Great theme, I would buy one. Perps' images to be licensed on backglass for authenticity. Wouldn't mind swimming around that environment to administer justice!

#856 6 years ago
Quoted from Strummy:

Yeah you are right. But Stern seems to have slightly more issues. Maybe I should get a b/w classic or just wait. That dialed in looks pretty dam fun and I have yet to have a jjp! From what I have read about their support, it sounds good if necessary. Please correct me if I'm wrong

Strummy, you've come to the best thread for asking advice for a JJP pin.

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#881 6 years ago

If there is any truth to the adage - you should want to f@ck a pinball machine because of theme, but you'll marry a pinball machine because of the rules - then selecting the correct license is a critical step. I could screw a pin based on one of these nine (9) themes:

Harry Potter (by JJP)
Guardians of Galaxy
Jimi Hendrix
Iron Maiden
Futurama
Jaws
Alien (by Heighway)
Big Lebowski (by Dutch Pinball)
Live PD

Gameplay would still need to be amazing, but when a pinball machine is based on a license you enjoy, that is a formula for sex appeal. Fortunately, some of these are titles are coming soon from a manufacturer near you!!

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#1220 6 years ago
Quoted from chad:

There will have to be a new abbreviated name for Iron Maiden. . Being Iron Man uses IM.
IMD. IRMD.

FeM ???

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#1507 6 years ago

Is Frampton the one that got away? Ignored for too long. .... Doobie Wah ...

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#1851 6 years ago
Quoted from Azmodeus:

....
I love iron maiden, but after iron maiden and what is currently out there. That's a lot of music pin choices now. There are many Good choices.

With that attitude we'll never see the Beatles, Hendrix, Ozzy, Zeppelin, Doors or Pink Floyd.

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#1959 6 years ago

Lots of industry hires over past six months. Now Brian Eddy. Love it!

#2004 6 years ago
Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:

Question from the audience was: Could future vaults possible have a release with an lcd instead of dmd.
Answer was: "take for example a LOTR vault -like some of you would like-, it would be too difficult to link lcd animations/vids to the existing software"..
That's the only thing that was said, nothing more.

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#2015 6 years ago
Quoted from Chambahz:

Uh, wrong again.
When sales are stated to be up year over year, they are not decreasing "due to poor quality" as you stated.
You never did get back to us on how you came up with your findings.

so that would mean Stern lowered quality and their revenue increased. Looking forward to further lowering of quality, coupled with greater years ahead for Stern.

#2062 6 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

We are beyond that now. What is the next game? Looks to be Deadpool.

I'm beyond that one too. What's next?

#2104 6 years ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

My distro just called and asked if I was sure that we want to pass on Iron Maiden LE. I was first on the list for an Iron Maiden LE when I found out that Stern bought the licence 3 years ago. With all my strength I said yes.. pass on Iron Maiden LE. First pass since Kiss LE in 2015. What a hard decision!..
BRING ON THE MUNSTERS!

What was your reason? Guessing you are bumping up against space limits maybe?

Only future music themes I am interested in seeing Stern make are Jimi Hendrix or Black Sabbath. No Beiber, Rinanna or Backstreet Boys for me.

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#2319 5 years ago

Anybody remember if it took a year or so for distributors to sell their STLE supply? Mostly because of the big run size afaik.

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#2400 5 years ago

a closeup of Empire State building...

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#2418 5 years ago
Quoted from Sinestro:

Best I can piece together, this should be the order of Stern games through the end of 2019.
Fall 2018 - Munsters. This is currently the worst kept secret in Pinball
Winter 2019 - Beatles. Not 100%, but the rumors are strong on this one.
Summer 2019 - Steve Ritchie's unlicensed game. Ritchie has said on more than one occasion that his next game is unlicensed, and that he's having a blast making it. Summer 2019 would be two years since Star Wars, and approximately Ritchie's turnaround time.
Fall 2019 - Elvira 3. Cassandra Peterson and Dennis Nordman revealed this game was in the works at TPF 2017, and Gomez confirmed it at TPF 2018. A fall release makes sense for this theme (ala Munsters this year) and Cassandra has also mentioned this date recently. Set phasers to kill, I think this one is a lock for next fall.
Of course, there will be a VE next year, and always the chance of a home or boutique pin as well.
What do you guys think? Solid guesses, or malarkey?

I like your picks and would insert Eddy’s game in Spring 2019 and a ve at end of 2019. That’s one heck of a lineup — Stern is bringing their A-game. Things look interesting when you start guessing which game and when. My guesses for all manufacturers with timing ...

Stern has -
—- calendar year 2018 ——
Fall 2018 - Munsters
—- calendar year 2019 —-
Winter 2018 - Beatles
Spring 2019 - Jaws by Eddy
Summer 2019 - Steve Ritchie non-license
Fall 2019 - Elvira 3
—- calendar year 2020 —-
Winter 2019 - TronVE

JJP has -
Summer 2018 - JJP POTC
Fall 2019 - Willy Wonka
Winter 2020 - Toy Story

AP has -
Summer 2018 - Houdini
Summer 2019 - Oktoberfest

CGC has -
Winter 2017 - AFM
Fall 2018 - MBr
Fall 2019 - CV or TOM or CV or BBB

Spooky has -
Winter 2018 - TNA
Fall 2019 - ACNC
Winter 2020 - Denisi’s licensed

DR may have -
Summer 2019 - Fire and Brimstone and Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland
Fall 2019 - MG, Alice in Wonderland and Nordman nonlicensed.

#2421 5 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

With Munsters it would be 3 Titles this year, so we're done.
"Beatles" is set for January 2019 (CES) if everything runs smooth. (Source: Kaminkow)
Only possibility that Eddys, Steve Ritchies game and Elvira will ship in 2019 is if Stern doesn't define Beatles as a cornerstone title.
... Could happen.

... well Winter of 2018 mostly occurs in 2019 or what people might refer to as 1st quarter 2019. To get it straight in your mind, add three months to when you were currently thinking of each season.
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So Munsters would end licensed games released in 2018. 2019 would have 3 licensed plus 1 non licensed games. 2020 shows the first game being a VE.

#2423 5 years ago

The only downside to having so many big titles planned for release in the next 18 - 24 months is that we expect the software for each game to be complete at release. That is a big assumption and still a risk in buying before you play. Buckle your seatbelts, Stern is firing on all cylinders, baby.

Munsters
Beatles
Jaws
Steve Ritchie non-license
Elvira 3
TronVE

#2450 5 years ago
Quoted from ausretrogamer:

Saving my pretty pennies for Brian Eddy’s JAWS**!
** or any Brian Eddy designed Stern machine.

everybody likes jaws.

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#2517 5 years ago

If you are a pinball manufacturer and you have a game in top 10, you need to be creating more of them to sell more. These are the best of the best titles. 8 of these titles are available new in box currently, and that makes perfect business sense.

My hopes are high that Munsters will be a big success.

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#2519 5 years ago
Quoted from Marcdaddy:

Those ratings are fine and all but i sold my Medieval and Attack From Mars out of boredom, im a sucker fir tge new Sterns and deep rulesets.

Easy to lose track of the 12 current Stern titles available nib.

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#2525 5 years ago
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#2530 5 years ago
Quoted from mnpinball:

Initial first 1000 run Beatles finishing currently.
Primus (limited) contract game on the line next week.
Munsters Pros after that I assume.

Got any pics of Munsters pins to hold us over for 40 days?

#2536 5 years ago

If Stern built a game that was ranked 305th and where the bulk of that score is based on game’s design, why in God’s name would you retheme and release it without first improving the design?

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#2562 5 years ago

Beautiful day for an announcement and reveal.

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#2597 5 years ago
Quoted from foureyedcharlie:

Yeah really, music pins suck. They never make any money selling those.
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cool! ... but missing the Stones is not cool.

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#2658 5 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

TSPP & LOTR both have some of the best dots in pinball, the biggest improvement they could give to both of those games with a Vault Edition is modern quality sound and modern hi res art!

Yes if they wanted to improve on them and provide added value. I’d suggest the color dmd and shaker motor too. But another option is to keep things the same.

Quoted from iceman44:

I just bought a HUO perfect TSPP for $5100.
What are they gonna sell the vault for? Colored dots? I'm getting the color dmd.
I don't know how they make these VE's work. SM was a disaster.

They could bring them back in the same condition and at the SAME price they were. TSPP was $3.5k when I bought mine in 2004. If Stern would bring back TSPPv and sell them for $4.8k, they could sell thousands. Vaults could be reissued for the purpose of selling more units to generate profit and suck money out of the market from those considering nib games.

The game costs Stern $2.5k on average to produce, per recently disclosed podcast speculation. Design of TSPP is 100% done so all that is needed is for Stern to renew license and order parts. Every TSPP made would add $2.3k to Stern’s bank account. How much do they want? Let’s say they decided to generate $2M profit. That’s as easy as making and selling 800 TSPPv. Who wouldn’t consider a Stern vault of their best titles, when remakes of the best B/W games are being offered by CGC? Consider it a license to print money.
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#2778 5 years ago
Quoted from delt31:

Latest podcast from special K says he's been told the next three are
Black Knight 3k / Steve Richie next game
Jurassic World
JAWS (BE as the designer)
All I know is if the last two are true, I'm very excited. Coupled with GnR from jjp and this could a fantastic year for Pinball.

The latter two need to feature a ball eating head - Dino, Jaws. Wonder if Ritchie’s BK3M will feature a jousting mode that incorporates a ball eating black knight helmet? Stern would be 3-baller in 2019.

3-baller is defined - when a pinball manufacturer releases three games that incorporate a ball eating head mechanism in one calendar year. Stern will be attempting to become the industry’s first 3-baller in 2019.... plus it is always nice to be recognized as a bmf. First leg of the race is MGC - stay tuned.

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#2855 5 years ago

Black Knight on the back of a black mare during a black night with 100% blackout conditions.

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#2931 5 years ago
Quoted from Wotto:

Still driving a 90s car ?
They have also changed 10 fold and consumers happily accept and in fact EXPECT it.
There is no way anyone would go to a dealership now and ask if they had any vehicles for sale with 90s technology, they would be laughed off the lot I think.
They also use a lot of cheaper parts in many areas compared to 90s cars.

It is a shame that you can no longer add an eight track player as an option.

#2934 5 years ago

While Munsters has been out a few weeks, majority of people haven’t found one to play. Same with Oktoberfest. JJPOTC didn’t start being cranked out until Jan, nor did ACNC. Sword of Rage should start appearing in a few weeks. So that is 5 pins in first 3 months of 2019 that most haven’t flipped and more game releases are on the horizon. Can we expect a game a month this year? Probably as there will be close to 24 games titles available new in box.

A great way to play all the newest pins is to attend a pinball show near you. While this has always been an option, it may become a necessity for keeping up, now that cadence of games has picked up. So check your calendar and target a show or two to attend in 2019 and get your ball on.

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#3126 4 years ago

Stern’s manufacturing backlog - tons of BKSoR and Munsters plus more BM66, DP and Maiden. Having five cornerstone titles in production at once is why Stern is King of Pinball. I would be tempted by another premium version of BM66.

The only old title I see Stern making a vault of is Tron, and if they made a premium version with fiber on ramps but WITHOUT the lcd screen upgrade, they could sell 1000 games. Because they can spend less effort and still capture most remaining sales, Stern won’t be making the lcd version some Tron fans crave.

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#3165 4 years ago
Quoted from cletus:

I’ve heard that Steve Ritchie is a big Queen fan.

Did he follow Lady Chablee?

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#3672 4 years ago

Loop this gif and call it a day, the vid is covered.

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#3673 4 years ago

But the early years (40’s - 50’s) were a better look.

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#3893 4 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Keep you topper tears in the designated areas please, this is a thread aboot a new game that won't get a topper.

Don’t talk aboot BKSoR here either! Can’t afford to jinx the topper into pulling a SW.

#3966 4 years ago

Got GOTv? Prepare to learn the GOT is being vaulted with one important upgrade. After learning about the physical enhancement for BKSoR could we expect less? No -> so Gary has instructed the factory to move the power button off the head of Spike and Spike2 games and to redirect them to the prior location on the bottom of the cabinet. Said Gary Stern,"We've lost sales to people unable to turn on our machines for the past four years ... friggin idiots!. Now that our engineers have solved the mystery of the sphinx, they can move the power switch back to it's rightful spot. I'm hoping this adds 20% to Stern's bottom line and last night at the bar I figured it will surge worldwide power demand by 1/2%. And for those waiting to learn aboot the new title at Comic-Con ... prepare to be disappointed."

#3970 4 years ago

on figuring things out 22 hours early satan. Now double or nothing on what will be removed.

#4032 4 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

May I sue you if my machine has no power switch under the cab?

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

...And for those waiting to learn aboot the new title at Comic-Con ... prepare to be disappointed."

no, but the last line is guaranteed.

Would you describe your reaction as disappointed?

#4040 4 years ago
Quoted from romulusx:

What the hell does rapey mean?

Quoted from epthegeek:

It's how people describe the stuff that used to be acceptable in entertainment but due to changes in social acceptance are now terrible.
Like how in the end of Sixteen Candles the nerd trades a passed out drunk girl for some underwear and has sex with her and she doesn't remember.
Or in revenge of the nerds when they plant cameras in a sorority house to observe them naked, or wear a costume and pose as someone else to have sex with the hot chick without her consent -- it's fine, she liked it.
Or in Grease's case ... "tell me more, tell me more did she put up a fight"

... and in Pinball it applies to shots that are repeatable. When hit enough, a high score will result or a match win. I hate all casual references to or uses of the term.

#4047 4 years ago
Quoted from adamross:

Announcement coming soon for SW, sadly no Jurassic

A weak “excuse me” is heard from back of room. Man walks forward with his hand in the air as he continues to speak with a quivering voice, “what about a topper? SW home model costs $4k, does it come with a topper? You see, no topper is a deal breaker. Star Wars has tons of toys to use” He stamps his feet and shouts - I’M OUT! as he tears out of the room with the middle finger raised on both hands aka the double bird. ~ fin

#4075 4 years ago
Quoted from cait001:

If you'll all permit the quick tangent, when I joined the local league they asked how they can get more women to attend. My first response was to stop saying stuff like "raping the spinner" and "raping the backbox for parts".

did it help?

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#4534 4 years ago

That mech video is one of the best promo vids I’ve seen. It makes me want the game, when I don’t want the game. Nothing earth shattering, but what this didn’t get into were other game features that are great.

Not shown was stuff like game play and video are tightly integrated and seamless, there will be an expansive custom dialog package (no hillbilly announcer, we get The Queen of Macabre), custom Elvira video is being created and previous Elvira broadcast video is used. In addition to all this fluff, the playfield indicates there is a stiff o meter type fryer that is part of the ruleset. Oh boy, this game is going to be impressive when it is completed.

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#4603 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

For us Science Fiction readers, a Dune would be awesome! But I know it will never happen. [quoted image]

Dune the book - yes Stern do it!

Dune the movie - sux Do Not Do.

#4626 4 years ago

John Wick would make for one of the bloodiest and most dangerous pins ever made. Think I will like it a lot.

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#4743 4 years ago
Quoted from JodyG:

TMNT is coming, but not next.

TMNT is the final cornerstone this year. Next year's first cornerstone pin should ship in Jan and as to what that theme it is ??? Stern hinted it was an 80's theme.

80's theme's already done -> Star Wars, Ghostbusters, IJ, BTTF, Terminator and Transformers. Stern won't do horror themes like Friday 13, Nightmare on Elm, Halloween, Gremlins or Chuckie. This leaves possible themes after TMNT -> another BTTF, Die Hard, Blade Runner, Beetlejuice or James Bond. That pretty much is the whole universe from that decade, excluding ongoing rock band acts.

#4754 4 years ago
Quoted from PaulCoff:

mnpinball...any hints?

Little China - no way. Goonies - no 50 year old male is going to buy one - disqualified. Bond - removed.

We’ll make it easy for mnpinball , pick a letter ...

A ) BTTF

B) Die Hard

C) Blade Runner

D) Beetlejuice

Kman may be revealing theme on Monday ...

#4758 4 years ago

BTTF and Beetlejuice removed. Godzilla added under protest - TOHO wasn’t made in 80s. Jaws was 70’s.

We’ll make it easier for mnpinball to pick a letter ... it has to be right in front of his face below.

A)
B) Die Hard
C) Blade Runner
D)
E) Top Gun
F) Godzilla TOHO

#4764 4 years ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

I want to also add that there was no music pin this year yet.
What most of you may not knwo is that, to aquire the Beatles license, Stern also had to assure they'll release a "Plastic Ono Band" machine.

Haha. If it is a music pin then there would be many to choose among, but with rumored hype that this theme will blow your mind, I am sure bands can be ignored from consideration. If Beatles didn’t make everybody wet their pants, then what would? Spinal Tap would be a cute theme but not strong enough.

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#4805 4 years ago

Good movie. Made a gajillion dollars. Good pinball theme. = Top Gun

Bad Movie. On cable often and made little money. Bad pinball theme. = Goonies

Starting to feel the need for speed, and some Top Gun. With new movie coming out, would Stern base the pin on the first movie or new release? Hoping for the old one.
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#4869 4 years ago

You may like Goonies, but it was a small potatoes movie. It would make a horrible pin and snooze fest theme. There would be less interest in this pin than Munsters.

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#4879 4 years ago
Quoted from Capn12:

Because a movie's box office, is all that matters, right?[quoted image]

Quoted from KnockerPTSD:

I feel like you are over looking the amount of overlap between cult movie fans and pinball fans.
Even kids still know and watch Goonies. My kid and his friends like it and they are 6. He has a tshirt we got at Walmart of all places.
I more excited about a tmnt pin. I told my son they might be making a tmnt pin and his response was "yuck"

You are probably right that it can come down to the cult following. TBL has a huge one so maybe if it doesn’t bring in a lot at the box office, it can have a following and still be pertinent.

I could list my nine favorite lines from the TBL, can Goonies fans list their favorite three lines or two unforgettable things that happened? I ask because this seems an easy way to gauge the commitment of a theme’s fans. Cult films have vocal fans with lots of favorite things to say about it. I don’t think that exists here, but will shut up now and allow the critics to prove me uninformed and outdated. What is so great about Goonies and would you want to relive those moments over and over in a pinball machine?

Top Gun will attract way more people to a pinball machine because of the size of the franchise. Stern could add a Goonies dvd with every Top Gun machine, for the best of all worlds.

#4900 4 years ago
Quoted from mrclean:

Heyyyyyy You Guyyyyyyyys Goonies would be amazing!!!
Background music Goonies R Good Enough must play, call outs from Sean Astin / Josh Brolin, Corey Feldman.... Truffle shuffle chunk shaker mode, causing diverters to open up via a rube goldberg type scene on the LCD. Spell S-L-OT-H to reveal the IT. Baby Ruth line...Chestor copper pot never made it this far!!! Wishing well mode, Top of playfield has booty traps...I mean booby traps. Gigantic boulders that come down causing the balls path to be block by certain ramps / targets. 50 dolla bill mode... animated moving pipes, The Fratelli chase mode, playfield gets dark & Data's blinding LED lights that shine at your face through the back box mode...one problem batteries not last so long. One eyed willy gotta play the bones to lower the draw bridge, diverter allows ball to travel down the ramps / water slides (playing that music score). You get to the bottom of the lower playfield revealing one eyed willy's ship. You gotta hit the targets to have the ship sail away for multi ball... Don't take willy's treasure, that's HIS! ... And remember GOONIES NEVER SAY DIE! The Goonies are looking at pinballs!
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Ha just read your post. You are describing the idealized version of the theme. This is Stern we are talking about. If Stern made the Goonies, it might not include movie clips or sounds. Would you still want Goonies then? Sheesh be careful what you wish for. If you think Stern’s version of Goonies would be a good pin, then I think you are a die hard Goonies fan. Fortunately Stern isn’t stupid enough to proceed on a Goonies. Die Hard on the other hand, would be golden.

#4911 4 years ago

Kman’s rumor is Karate Kid. I’ve brought that one up before, but it didn’t get much love from anybody. It could make for an interesting theme and a good pin, but I don’t think Stern will actually be doing it. Quality rumors are hard to find.


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#5029 4 years ago
Quoted from Morhaus:

My 15 year-old daughter has all the modes imagined. Wish she worked for Stern!!

Have her list it out. I can’t imagine how this theme could be brought to life.

#5174 4 years ago

Some Distributors encourage HUO and high end trade-ins. That is an easy way to replace a newish pin with a newer pin. Trade values offered are usually fair.

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#5277 4 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

Technically Tron is as much a Daft Punk pin as it is a Tron pin, love the music on my TRON one of the best soundtracks on a pin!

Just make the Blue Man Group No assets needed. Pics of guys painted blue and dressed in blue. License Danesi tracks. RGB lighting is a must. Done and roll it out the door. Then start working on Jaws-like pin called Sharkee’s Revenge.

#5284 4 years ago
Quoted from Oneangrymo:

I know Mr Gary Stern said no more back to the future, but please, just do it man. There will be so many buyers, I need it.. think Gary, think!

I've read you gotta have passion for making a title, otherwise it will end an abysmal failure.... If only Stern had the cohones to make Beetlejuice with a half-motivated team. Come on Stern, that excuse is a crock of sh*t.

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#5851 4 years ago

In a twist of irony, Stern may be using Zeppelin as the code name for the Rush pin. That way they can sell twice as many games.

#5905 4 years ago

What kind of music will a Stranger Things pinball machine have? What kind of video will a Rush pinball machine have? Wham! Maybe Stern wanted Rush music for the Stranger Things pin. Wouldn't that be sweet?

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#5912 4 years ago

What I found interesting about Rick and Morty.
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#5978 4 years ago
Quoted from PW79:

Speaking of game leaks...
Check out the giant leek in this bathroom. Someone call a plumber![quoted image]

Hint for next time ... aim for the bowl.

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#6310 4 years ago

Gary talks and sometimes he fibs. I remember when WWE was released and it was on the line. Gary was asked in an interview what his favorite game was and he answered WWE. No way that was true.

When TWD was revealed, Gary was asked about the missing premium model. He said there would not be one and if you want full features, buy a LE. A year later TWD premium was announced. Had it been planned from the beginning?

So Gary can change his mind and there is no harm asking for a BTTF.

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#6482 4 years ago

Using a show’s popularity isn’t a good basis for picking a theme. Take Breaking Bad for instance. Huge following and it has reached cult status. Stern will not do a pin based on Meth Chefs or Drug Kingpins. The show was good but nothing lends itself towards being half-way exciting enough for pinball. Sure you can make rules based on events but that would not be enjoyable. I am surprised Stern picked such a snoozer title as STh, although I enjoy it in spite of theme. Remember popularity alone does not equal a good theme. Now back to your regular scheduled programming.

#6558 4 years ago
Quoted from luvthatapex2:

Didn't stern do an IronMan vault 3 years ago? Is this a vault of a vault?

This is IMrv, where rv = revault. But didn’t Stern have an additional run of either IM after the original run or IMv after the initial run? I can’t remember but if so this might be IMrvv. I sense everybody that wants IM or IMv already have one or would buy a used one for less money. Unless Stern does something different with this version, there is no market imo.

If I were Stern, I’d make IMv LE. Powder coated hardware, laser-etched side rails, custom apron with lighted triangles, shaker motor, convert to Spike2 boards, swap dmd for a lcd, real backglass, license the Iron Man song from Ozzie and get Robert Downey jr to do some custom call outs. That’d motivate me to trade my IM in for one. With no changes I’ll pass and bet those with an IM or IMv will too. So where’s the market for another IMv?

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#6680 4 years ago

Guess the crew over here isn’t concerned with playfield quality. Theme is coveted above all else in this thread. Theme shouldn’t be the only consideration.

Let’s say your dream theme is Elvira and you were ready to purchase EHOH. But you don’t like callouts, or lack of toys or premium being lowest level offered, or you don’t like how the assets were used or there are serious quality concerns. Many things can be a deal killer and prevent you from buying your favorite theme.

For me Harry Potter would be my preferred game. Wide body with Eric @ JJP designing it and lots of mechanical toys. What would really happen is it would go to Stern. They’d do a quick STh treatment on it and only offer premium and LE and SLE, no pro. No toys, bare code when released, shitty photoshop art. Would I buy that turd ... no way. So my dream theme would come and go and the fact it was my dream theme had little effect on my purchase.

Bottom line it makes no sense to get excited about a title until you see it, hear it, watch it and play it. Then go f’ing crazy.

#6693 4 years ago
Quoted from tonedef131:

I'm assuming this post is meant to be ironic. I mean...it has to be right?

Who's on first? What is on second? I Don't Know ... third base. Why is left field, I Don't Give a Darn is shortstop, Tomorrow is Pitching and Today is catching. Got it?

#6794 4 years ago
Quoted from Sako-TRG:

As much as as I like Led Zeppelin, I would also love to see it happen.
The Album artwork covers were not that great through the decades. Be interesting see how they manage this....
There are many other choices of bands from this era imho - such as Pink Floyd. Better art, potential Pin integration. Music more fitting to a pin. The Wall for example. Just a though but would love to be proved wrong.

Expecting a 2 flipper, fan layout design with photoshop art. Hoping for a gong bash toy. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/44/ec/b844ece9c2100ca9b186742715ea9235.jpg

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#7090 4 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

Didn’t they mess up the flipper gap? They took Trudeau’s flipper gap and made it even bigger again by mistake?

Yes the gap is bigger than normal. It is more than many expect.

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#7355 4 years ago
Quoted from Lounge:

Ptttth .... hot wheels were cool when I was 9.
My wallet is safe - zero interest in HM or HW.

you must have been a late bloomer. Found this online about target audience.

--- In this instance, Mattel is seeking to expand the market for Hot Wheels by stimulating interest among men ages 18 to 34. Currently, the toys are aimed at boys ages 3 to 8; men in their 30s or older often rediscover the toys when they have children or develop an interest in collectibles.

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#7561 3 years ago

Plenty of old bands left after Led Zepellen

Good Pinball Band Themes -
Ozzy Osborne
Jim Hendrix
Pink Floyd
Michael Jackson

Bad Pinball Band Themes -
Allman Brothers
Doobie Brothers
Smothers Brothers
Soggy Bottom Boys and
Biker Boyz

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#7717 3 years ago

Tilt warning ...

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#7752 3 years ago
Quoted from gambit3113:

TMNT. This coming week. Borg. Dwight.

Bet you are right with your timing. I’ve heard overseas distributors learn about TMNT next week. That would mean Insiders need to be told too. One of the benefits of being a Stern Insider is access to buy games first, according to the literature. Then the domestic distributors and the general public will be allowed in. So it should be a busy week for turtles.

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#8104 3 years ago

Stern is the leading manufacturer of pinball machines based on nature’s finest reptiles. Stern transitioned to living a fully-sustainable, reptile lifestyle brand early this year. Jurassic Park 3 was launched in early 2020, based on wildly popular dinosaur reptiles, so cuddly. The next piece dropped in June, when TMNT pinball showcased everybody’s favorite turtle reptiles. Wondering what could possibly top this? Word is Stern’s next blockbuster pinball will feature the loveable Godzilla reptile, where death and destruction closely follow. Stern has staked a claim for declaring 2020 to be the year of the reptile. What can we expect from them going forward? Perhaps Crocodile Hunter, Famous Snake Handlers or Angry Birds pinball for 2021? As a lover of reptiles, I can’t wait.

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#8141 3 years ago

JDanger’s tease is so general, the possibilities are endless. So I am going to hope for what I want it to be. Would love to see a JJP Harry Potter pinball streamed.

#8178 3 years ago
Quoted from shaub:

As a GB owner, I second that! IMDN, JP, DP, BM66 all came after GB.

Don’t forget EHOH, just another top 10 pin

#8274 3 years ago

I am pretty sure that Keith’s next pin is Godzilla and that it will be released in 2020. If Stern moves forward with the Jaws license AND they assign it to Keith, it won’t be his 3rd or 4th design, both of which are done and in the can (undergoing software completion). So more than likely, Kaneda was shown the lure of Jaws and once seen, he bit. It caught him - hook, line and sinker.

Ask yourself, does this fall within Stern’s sense of humor? ... to assign code name Jaws to the Godzilla pinball machine. Once they are ready to produce Jaws in 2022, they can assign James Bond for it’s code name. Either way, we are years away from seeing Jaws.

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#8361 3 years ago

When Stern decides to do a Pink Floyd, they can reuse the fixed screen from STh and add a laser light show spectacular.

#8410 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

The FX3 version gives a much better idea of what could be done with the theme.

Will be hard for Stern to beat this great looking Jaws.

#8411 3 years ago

Tenacious D would make a great music themed pin. In particular, the Pick of Destiny music track could play in a continuous loop. Lots of good versus evil imagery and there is an epic battle with the devil. Listen to this song to be played for the final wizard mode. Maybe there is a cock push-up training mode and another mode for growing your wiener to push the red button. This theme is so much better than Heavy Metal.

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#8734 3 years ago
Quoted from Dicky:

Is there 5 letters in the name ?

Steve Ritchie -

Zeppelin ... eight

Doors ... four

Rush ..... four

Eminem ... six

BTTF2 .... five

HS3 ... three

BK4 .... three

Ozzie ... five

Hendrix .. seven

My Little Pony .... many

.

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Keith -

Godzilla - seven

Jaws - four

King Kong - eight

Kill Bill - eight

Pulp Fiction - eleven

Matrix - five

Hamilton - (musical)

Harry Potter - tiger blood

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#9032 3 years ago

It’s happening!

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#9074 3 years ago
Quoted from snowy_owl:

Hold on. Remind me again what proof we have that jaws is the next stern pin? I can't really remember any...

A popular theory goes .... Stern strives to make games that people want. Sometimes they get it right and other times they are not so good. But if your company mission is to make games people want and a lot of people are excited about a title on Pinside AND if your company already has said license, then it is time to make JAWS now! It is a no brainer. We sit and wait for it to happen.

#9092 3 years ago

Maybe there’s a contractual problem that prevents each’s release until Dancing With the Stars - GNR v Zeppelin Square Dance Edition airs on tv.

Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven
v
Plant, Page and Jones

time to do-si-dos

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#9140 3 years ago
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#9198 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

Bad Cats II - Badder Catters

Mad Catter

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#9250 3 years ago

I want Charles in charge of me

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#9275 3 years ago
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:

Metallica....twice i think actually

AC/DC has had so many versions, surely one was a vault. Iron Man has been vaulted 2-3 times already.

People thinking they want TSPPve, LOTRve and TRONve should buy one second hand, sooner rather than later. Stern might actually vault Mustang, KISS or TWD comic version.

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#9705 3 years ago
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

ZERO interest in yet another Marvel pin. C’mon Stern, give me something I can sink my teeth into...or would sink it’s teeth into me, like Jaws or Godzilla!

Yeah Stern, forget Thanos. We want Keith’s Jaws followed by Keith’s Godzilla dammit.

#9788 3 years ago
Quoted from RA77:

Might get lucky with new SHE HULK movie coming out.
What is Disney doing to the brand ? Marvel [quoted image]

Hulk isn’t cool anymore, since Bixby and Ferrigno left in 82. Trying to picture she hulk ..

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#9843 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

Yes - want to see Godzilla.

Market research indicates people want a monkey pin. Houdini had a monkey, Oktoberfest almost had one and Hot Wheels got an ape. That leaves room for a future planet of the apes or King Kong. Maybe they should think every which way but loose.

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After Stern design closes the monkey category, I’d prefer dinosaurs, sharks or amphibians ... aka JP2, Jaws and Godzilla.

#9934 3 years ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

If by Megadeath you mean Anthrax ,I’m in !!

If by Anthrax you mean Hendrix, I’m in !!

Quoted from freeplay3:

Nope, we meant Tool.

If by Tool you mean Black Sabbath, I’m in !!

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#10224 3 years ago

Stern’s next title will punch your lights out.

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#10558 3 years ago

Gary Stern was seen carrying an envelope all over town. It turns out he left the suspicious envelope behind at the Copy store where i happened upon it after Gary left. So when I looked inside I gasped and blurted out this must be Stern’s next title! Fresh off the Philatelists Press - Gary Stern is proud to be offering - Ten Days of BB>

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... and that’s a lot of carrots, Doc

#10592 3 years ago
Quoted from TreyBo69:

I would hate to be the designer on Harry Potter, whenever it does happen. I think it'll just disappoint people because there is so much in that universe and people have been building it up in their minds for many years.

Are you outa ya mind, son? Any designer worth his salt would die for the opportunity to do a HP pin. You could probably run a contest to choose the designer with entrant submitting their application along with their left nut. Heck, I’d love to do the job, but I lack design talent, so will be holding onto my nuts for now.

#10600 3 years ago
Quoted from mbrave77:

Your kind of right that the setup could be like deadpool. And the katana could be a broomstick. Dead and pool targets could be each movie or book. I would replace deadpool bash with something else. But harry potter would need to have more ramps like tmnt.
Also if harry potter comes out I would sell a lung to get it.

HP > WOZ

ergo HP deserves to be a widebody design with two upper playfields. I’d trust Keith (or George) to tackle that one of anyone at Stern. As for Stern building a widebody pin, I have some concerns about their eagerness to go that route. Would be 1000% easier for Kapow to work with JJP and to demand Eric design the HP masterpiece.

#10602 3 years ago

... however, as this is a Stern thread, I’d suggest Kapow license two versions of HP, with one going to Stern and one to JJP. Both would sellout and could expect to sell 5k units.

Stern’s version would be on the line following month 18 and be offered as $10k premium, $15k LE and $25k LE+ models. It would have photoshopped art by Franchi that looked great, but the game would come with no movie assets, no Hogwart’s references nor likeness of Harry Potter. Complete 5000 game run would have been built and shipped by month 24.

JJP’s version would be on the line at month 24 and and be offered as $12k standard, $15k LE and $20k SLE models. It would have hand drawn art and look spectacular and it would have all movie assets including access to Hogwarts and Harry. Complete 5000 game run would have been built and shipped by month 36.

The whole time the companies compete to offer the best HP experience, the entire community is abuzz and rooting for one or both. Then the community buys the fruits of their efforts. A win - win - win - win.

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#10692 3 years ago

I like Godzilla, but have have never found any of the movies to be worth watching. Beginning to think Godzilla went to acting school with Adam Sandler.

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#10871 3 years ago
Quoted from Ivanhoe:

I heard from a very reliable source that CGC is going to produce more in 2021. This same source told me long ago they were going to come out with Royal Edition retrofitting kits...sure enough they started making them a few months later. So my source is credible. HOWEVER, they didn't elaborate on which variant they were going to produce or if they were coming out with yet another variant, but there will be more. Start setting aside that money and call retailers BEFORE the announcement. 9 out of 10 times those guys are hearing something from the manufacturers before a public announcement and will start a list of sales leads.

Arguably, MMr Royal edition or Special edition with topper or any model with all upgrades is the best pinball machine ever made. But the market for them is saturated and demand has been met. So I can’t see a reason for running more MMr’s. There is a need for more upgrades and toppers though, so they could knock out kits for awhile.

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#11103 3 years ago

The list of releases for the next two years is an over easy pass with a side of waiting for Godot. One should gaze towards the past for a list of candidates and travel all the way back. All eyes are on designer sir Keith. Would enjoy playing BTTF and might nibble on Jaws. But Harry Potter is where my heart lies and the BOM better go BOOM when premiums start at $10k.

#11146 3 years ago
Quoted from frankmac:

On the line. Like it or not?.
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Why is the woman wearing a kitchen cleaning glove? We are not over the Thanos glove yet and then we get this?

#11224 3 years ago

At a retail price of $4.5k, I feel obliged to tell any potential buyer/noob that he is foolish to buy the Pin because for $5k they could buy 85% of the top 100 titles. Furthermore, if they were dead set on SW, there are real options. The only way the Pin makes sense is if sold for $2k nib and less in HUO market. This product is 100% price sensitive
So the announced price will determine if the Pin sells great, good or poorly. My guess is poorly and then I’d love to see Stern marking these at $2k next and measure that response.

#11267 3 years ago

Did I miss it? What did Big G say was coming? Aussies and New Zealanders wanna go to bed.

#11295 3 years ago
Quoted from Sly_Old_Devil:

Yes but the whole of NZ had to swear an NDA beforehand...it was a beautiful ceremony...but alas we can't mention the name the title until Big G sings

Big G should still be up, but he may be three sheets to the wind already. Did he say anything before passing out? Is Rosebud the name of Stern’s next title or is it his sled?

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#11304 3 years ago

Ten years gone, this thread continues to ramble on. It’s one big communication breakdown, leaving me dazed and confused. So many posts are building a stairway to heaven. When the levee breaks, your time is gonna to come. It’s nobody’s fault but mine. Going to California, over the hills and far away, it’s time to ramble on. A fool in the rain, I’ll dance the Misty Mountain hop with a black dog. Through good times, bad times, I’m going to rock and roll. That’s the way to thank you, cause I can’t quit you baby.

In the evening, when you’ve left the houses of the holy, you’re a heartbreaker. You’ve traveled the ocean and listened to whales sing the immigrant song. I can’t compete. With no quarter in my pockets, I sold kashmir to buy you a tangerine. Since I’ve been loving you.

- Moby Dick

#11311 3 years ago
Quoted from mrclean:

OK I'm getting pretty excited about these hints...
"Communication Breakdown": Marty on the phone [quoted image]
"Dazed and Confused": Marty McFly hit by Lorraine's dad [quoted image]
"Stairway to Heaven" : Marty hides behind the stairway avoiding the principle [quoted image]
"When the Levee breaks" : In 2015 Marty while hover boarding falls into the water [quoted image]
"Your Time is Gonna Come" Time & lots of clocks in this movie especially the clock tower.[quoted image]
"Going to California" California License plate [quoted image]
"Over The Hills & Far Away" Town takes place in Hill Valley and they travel far away in back to the future [quoted image]
"Fool in The Rain" : Doc knows it's about to stop raining insists Marty McFly to stay in the Deloreon knowing when the rain will precisely stop [quoted image]
"Rock & Roll" Marty Needs to play some Chuck Berry Rock & Roll to save his future [quoted image]
"Your Time is Gonna Come" Marty warns Doc about his future to prevent a catastrophe [quoted image]
I'm guessing it's Back To The Future ?!

Nope, good try. Keep guessing. Added second verse of hints above that will be difficult to link to anything other than the ONE, true next game. Solve that and we’ll have all the proof needed.

#11322 3 years ago
Quoted from mrclean:

Still think it's Back to The Future.
"In The evening" Marty and Doc meet up at 1:16AM at the twin peaks pine mall [quoted image]
"Houses of The Holy" Hollywood United Methodist Church was used as one of the iconic filming locations. [quoted image]
"Heartbreaker" Biff starts to make out with Lorraine; George McFly attempts to be the Heartbreaker [quoted image]
"Ocean" This likely references the Enchantment Under The "Sea" Dance. [quoted image]
"Since I've Been Loving You" This is expressed by both Marty McFly kissing Jennifer as well as Lorraine kissing George McFly. [quoted image]

hmmm, maybe it is BTTF Here I was thinking it was Zeppelin or maybe Jaws.

#11324 3 years ago

Stern needs a quick selling, low volume title so as to have more time to fill back orders. They must have 3+ months backlog and could face statewide orders in IL from Covid-19. It makes better sense to release Zep now. Because it would sell fewer than average units, more like Munsters or Elvira which were filler pins.

Stern should move BTTF to the following release date in Feb/Mar, by then they will be caught up. BTTF is going to be huge and Stern will need as much capacity as possible to crank them out. One for every house in America and two for every apartment in Europe and three for all in AU/NZ. If Stern were to release BTTF now it would create issues and hiccups for the industry. People are waiting 2-13 weeks for nib games. With their deposits sent in and balance due on a triggers notice.

Natural order of life would predict - Zeppelin (Steve Ritchie) then BTTF (Waison) and then Godzilla (Elwin) and then Jaws (Elwin). It will be chaotic at Stern’s bank in 2021 with all the wheel barrows delivering money bags.

edit - isn’t it ironic that Stern’s next music pin will be designed by someone who is tone-deaf? Not implying Steve Ritchie ignores issues, only that he can’t hear a damn thing. Rock On!

#11395 3 years ago

Keep coming back to Predator being the perfect license. The movie is an outstanding action flick with 30-40 memorable quotes. A familiar story line, a jungle, trap setting, a Predator, lasers, guns, blood and sweat. Makes me want to get to the choppa.

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#11432 3 years ago

Zeppelin will be the best music pin ever made because .... they made the best music. Starting from there and if Steve Ritchie doesn’t muck things up by using a boring fan layout, these should sell ok. No way you’ll get 25% of the experience as GNR, but it will still be worth shooting and it could be a whole lotta fun. Looks like LZ will be followed next year by BTTF, Godzilla and then Jaws. I especially can’t wait for the latter two.

#11446 3 years ago
Quoted from kermit24:

Explain your basis for BTTF. There has been no credible rumor regarding this. Joe K trolling doesn’t count.

The evidence is admittedly slim and the source is sketchy at best. Maybe better described as half of a he said/she said situation. But given where we are, some facts stand out. BTTF4 movie is happening this year, unless it isn’t. MJF is still alive and capable of starring in another role. Kaminkow designed the first BTTF, so it makes sense it would be staying with Stern. Somebody has the license to make the pin but I don’t see it going to American or Deeproot because of that. When it happens, I’ll declare ITYS, as you are free to point out the error in my ways when it doesn’t happen. Until then we shall wait and see.

#11448 3 years ago
Quoted from JWP72:

Nope. He just retired again a week ago due to declining health.

Sorry to hear that. The good news though, the pin will probably be based on the first film only for budget purposes. So MJF could still be filmed in a cameo role and the movie made in its sweet time. There is nothing holding Stern back from releasing a revised BTTF pin based on BTTF original movie. :popcorn:

#11460 3 years ago
Quoted from kermit24:

Nope. Not happening.

I believe you on the film not happening, but the pinball machine based on movie 1 is still in the works.

I found a video of BTTF4 based on the computer game trilogy and it covers the complete trilogy. That alone is probably better than a fourth real movie would have been.

#11471 3 years ago
Quoted from evileye:

Now I’d really like to see Stern unexpectedly make this title.

You’re late, but all are welcome to join the party,(expecting BTTF since 2017)

#11476 3 years ago

Some deep thoughts for today ....

We have seen lots of “signs” that BTTF pinball is in the design queue and who knows, maybe it will be ready for release this year. Expectations are the game will be based on first movie. For anyone thinking it should include the 2 sequels, sorry to burst your bubble, it isn’t happening for financial reasons. No reason for Stern to license 3 titles when all they needs is one, unless forced to as a condition of licensing. Now, let’s begin the fun.

The game is released in Dec as expected, however it captures everyone by surprise because:

1) it is based on the comic book. Nobody considered Stern might do this, in spite of their history of designing superhero pins and releasing comic version artwork on others. Maybe it comes out in comic book style only. It would be pretty cheap to license the BTTF title and then photoshop comic artwork onto the playfield and cabinet. Stern would need to recreate similar art for video assets and would hire sound-alike voice actors. Why would Stern go to all this effort instead of just licensing the damn movie? If it saved them money, Stern might decide it was smart. Or maybe they just like doing things the hard way.

2) it is based on the video game and Stern licenses the rights to use those assets. This would be the quickest route and maybe cheapest overall. The entire trilogy is already designed, with virtual assets and the complete cast of sound-alike voice actors. Stern wouldn’t need to create much content - maybe some specific callouts, status screens and high score screens.

3) it is based on movie 1 and dialog can be sliced and used as seen fit - might be the best option possible.

4) it is based on trilogy (the holy grail) and dialog can be sliced and used as seen - all is well in la la land.

Now that we’ve considered some sources for content, execution and art style - what would you do if BTTF pin was released using options 1 or 2 instead of 3? Would you lose interest or become more interested? Maybe you wouldn’t care one way or the other? I’d be most interested in option 3, but would be intrigued almost equally by options 2 and 4. All are dynamic content already as opposed to option 1 which begins as static images.

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#11579 3 years ago
Quoted from Psw757:

I’m still going with sometime this month because their stated goal is 3 cornerstone titles per year and 2020 was a slow start due to COVID, nothing from 12/19 - 5/20.
Considering a couple sources claimed this new title went on the line the first Friday of November it would seem like mid January would be a long time to sit on games at their production rate.
Just guessing and hoping though!

Listened to recent Super Awesome Pinball Show of Gary Stern. Best interview of the decade. Gary Stern discusses pertinent issues, gives real stories and shares Stern philosophy. He spoke at length on licenses and copyright issues with knockoff toppers. Gary also mentions DLC, EU tariff and 30 Year Stern book. These statements apply to your question:

Stern has 50 office workers that work from home and 250 factory employees.

Stern produces 70 games a day now and that level was a ramp up to help address the backlog issue.

Stern has a 5000 pin backlog (@22 works days per month, this is just over 3 months. If backlog was run every other week for a week, it would take 6 months to catch up).

Backlog is being worked in and being run in batches of 500 or more.

Stern will be further ramping up factory production because of strong backlog.

Stern wants to continue releasing 3 cornerstones + studio pin + vault per year.

Stern has 3 years worth of licenses under development (@3 cornerstones + studio, times 3-year duration means Stern has 12 licensed pins in active development. Average development cycle is 14 months).

Gary let it slip that Stern has already delayed a few titles this year, and then nothing more about what that means. Is Stern focusing on building AIQ and backlog perhaps? Is LZ being pushed to Jan ??? Is BTTF is pushed until May? The most amazing thing, was that Stern’s 75 year old CEO, Gary Stern, is aware and highly engaged in all aspects of Stern and the pinball industry.

#11583 3 years ago

I wonder how Stern’s factory is laid out after covid shutdown. If there is only one main line and space is available, why doesn't Stern set up a second line and increase output to 100 per day? Spend 2.5 months to set it up and then run AIQ there for 3.5 months. The main line could then be dedicated to backlog and be knocked out in 3.5 months. Stern will have a lot more flexibility built into their factory afterwards.

#11585 3 years ago
Quoted from Psw757:

I thought they had at least 2 maybe 3 lines running currently, may have been mentioned on one of the podcasts a few months back.

That makes more sense because they had a lot of room leftover when they first moved in. Glad it is tailored how it needs to be. Thinking more about it, no way Stern could be cranking games out so fast unless they were set up efficiently. So to build 30 more games a day, Stern would need to hire more people.

There may be enough slack built into the production line to increase output without expanding floorprint. They probably won’t compress social distancing rules because that has been the bedrock of their success. Maybe they could still reconfigure their lines to support higher throughputs required. It’s always cheapest for a business to pay workers to work OT than to hire more people. So the factory could extend work week to 10 hours a day / 5 days a week until caught up or the factory could extend work week to 8 hours a day / 6 days a week until caught up. Most people would jump at chance to earn time and a half for 3 months of overtime. But the factory could always add another shift.

#11591 3 years ago
Quoted from StoneyCreek:

When I took the factory tour in January they had 2 lines and only 2.
Gary said they had 250 people in the factory, that’s got to be a fully staffed 2line production capability.

And I suppose the place was full, no room to expand anywhere, right?

#11673 3 years ago
Quoted from Diamond:

Jack Osborne was seen checking into a hotel near the Chicago Mag mile last night. What if Zeppelin has been code for an Ozzy Osborne pin this entire time?

That would be frickin awesome. Please be true, please be true.

#11685 3 years ago
Quoted from newpinbin:

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#11708 3 years ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Buckle in I have a feeling this next pin by stern is going to be a counter punch to the competition to show who’s still the Boss!!

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#11732 3 years ago
Quoted from BallPin:

...I will say the machine I saw was not Led Zeppelin, I would love to tell you. Yet i don't want to spoil it. I will say this, after seeing the machine, I thought releasing it around now would of been perfect timing.

Did it rhyme with ... hack new da vuture?

#11793 3 years ago
Quoted from CashMoney:

Apparently it’s a TV show from the 70s? I had to Google it to find out

What are the 70’s ???

#11988 3 years ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Let’s see just googled top 50 rock bands of all time:
1. Beatles
2. Pink Floyd
3. The Who
4. Rolling Stones
5. Led Zeppelin
GNR didn’t even make the top 50 cut, although Slash is quite the guitarist for sure....[quoted image]

Eagles is a terrible idea for a pinball machine

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#12013 3 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

I just hope the art is drawn cartoon-style like Metallica rather than photoshop montage like AC/DC. The potential for drawn art is great.[quoted image]

For LZ I prefer seeing hairy, young, rock stars to comic style figures. Has the art style been uncovered?

#12021 3 years ago

We’re going to need some fire too.

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#12023 3 years ago
Quoted from ReadyPO:

Fact.
Manufacturers are making pinballs that sell NOW. The ones who are making pinballs that don't sell won't be here in five years, let alone 15 to care (not that they do care about the secondary market)
Also, LED Zepplin - founded 1968. Avengers - issue number one 1963
Guns & Roses - founded 1985. TMNT - first animated series 1987
On the 100 most popular rock bands of ALL times -
7. Guns N' Roses • Spotify followers: 11.6 million • Facebook likes: 29.8 million
3. Led Zeppelin • Spotify followers: 6.9 million • Facebook likes: 13.4 million
Queen is #1 on that list, so fingers crossed ...

What do we want? No F*CKING Eagles.

What do we get? No F*CKING Eagles.

We’ll be just fine.

#12031 3 years ago

Looking into Stern’s music library future .... Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd have got to top the list. After that point, I am sure pinball machines will cease to be physically manufactured, in favor of 5-dimensional, virtual pinball headsets (weighing 10 oz and costing $10k, these babies are worth their weight in rare gems. And yes, guaranteed to leave you with a happy ending).

I am withholding Hendrix from this list because I’d strongly prefer Sir Eric/Slash @ JJP give that one a go. Wanna have the whole psychedelic experience and taste the 60’s. ::lit_BIC:

#12044 3 years ago

The technologies that would be great to see in Stern’s next music pin would be lasers, smoke, lightning or holograms. I would love to watch a group perform via holographic vignettes and with some good sfx. That would be the ultimate pinball in physical form and might also be the only way to reunite Plant, Page and Jones.

#12199 3 years ago

Boiled some water and steeped some tea this morning. I dumped the leaves onto the floor and began stirring them around like gumbo. A witch doctor appeared from behind a cloud of smoke and he began to read what was written. It revealed Stern’s lineup and is listed below. He prescribed 4 aspirin and a bottle of tequila and then he vanished.

2020 - LZ

2021 - Godzilla, BTTF, Bond,

2022 - SW vault, Harry Potter

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#12555 3 years ago
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:

Stern. Like this. Elwin / Lyman. Let’s go!
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I like your poster. However, ZY is whom you need to address your design concepts for GZ.

#12560 3 years ago
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:

Disagree. ZY’s art has phoned in the last few. TMNT and AIQ art packages are both underwhelming. It’s not a good idea for Stern to utilize one graphic artist to dress ALL of their pins. The entire brand would end up reading as homogeneous, trite and each title will feel less special over time. More youngblood fresh art is needed. Also...Stern should hire an art consultant. I like ZY, his work on IMDN and DP was great....but he is not the greatest graphic artist a available. That’s a fact.

True ZY has been inconsistent. When he’s on, he’s great. We know ZY is on Elwin’s next game, so he is the defacto artist. Given the GZ poster above being in circulation means that it is probably the worst layout and artistic ability ZY would design to, and that’s good in my book. If You had to choose a Stern artist, whom would you want? The other artist who could rise to the task is Dirty Donny. If they could bring him back for another job, he would be my second choice.

But I don’t mind if they seek out new talent for future projects. Lots of artists out there and if Stern’s art director selects a good one or two, and gives them some direction, the game artwork can turn out better than ever.

#12603 3 years ago

If making money were the object - Gordon Gekko Does Wall Street. Shoot left orbit and buy 1M shares of IBM at $55. Shoot right ramp and sell 100M shares of Anacot Steel, at market peak.

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#12619 3 years ago

Since Stern is in the 70’s with LZ, I wish they’d stay the course. Young Frankenstein would be interesting. It’s a Mel Brooks comedy and a good one at that. It stars Gene Wilder and his work is hot, and the entire cast has great lines, puns and innuendo. It has a a known storyline that is liked. It has fantastic black and white imagery for a pinball machine. It even has .. a weak music track, so they could show the movie with dialog together. But they should also hire a Wilder sound alike for pinball callouts. I know the campiness appeals to the 50 year olds, but I think it appeals to 20-30 market too. The one drawback to this theme is the lack of action. It relies on humor, the script and some special effects to work.

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#12643 3 years ago

LOTR pinball is so old, Cap'n Crunch was still a private. Let’s face it the software and the game are 17 years ancient. Instead of remaking or upgrading LOTR, Stern should design another version. Can you say ELOTR (E=Elwin)? I can’t think of a better theme or better person to design the game. Keith already redesigned Avengers so why not ELOTR? There may be 1k people interested in an updated LOTR but I’ll be there are 5X that amount that would like an Elwin version? What do you think! should we drop our pressure on Stern to reproduce LOTR and petition them to remake one of their classics?

Give me one theme better than LOTR. Not BTTF, not Gremlins, Not Jaws and Not Godzilla because those aren’t. Although I would like Jaws.

#12701 3 years ago

Credence

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#12749 3 years ago

The suggested licenses are mostly testosterone inducing themes and that is fine. But there is some low hanging fruit to be picked by taking a softer tact. Already suggested Pee Wee’s Playhouse or Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventures, but have a few more now. I am thinking Home Alone or Spy Kids would be solid choices too. Looking at the entire pack of 4 themes, I see adventures as a common element. Not drama, not action but going on an adventure. Where events or scenes happen at a slower pace than Iron Man, Maiden or Metallica.

Pee Wee’s is a big playhouse with many props and feature characters.

Bill & Ted’s is time travel mixed with collecting historical figures.

Home Alone allows for setting traps and chasing away the bad guys.

Spy Kids has a lot of nice gadgets and effects like a shrinking ray and they are in rescue mode.

Notice how none of these mention BTTF? That is time travel mixed with altering events to change ones personal history. BTTF fits nicely into this group of adventure themes and since many believe it is already being designed, it seems less far-fetched that Stern will pick one of the other four for a future title. If released in 2022, it would compete with JJP’s Toy Story (which is another example of an adventure license).

#12758 3 years ago

OMG! Matrix 4 is coming out this year. Stern better grab that license and give it to Keith. That is one hella good theme and would be a LE buy if Keith was the designer. Attention Jody Dankberg, run do not walk and lock it down. For the love of God, Do Not Give It to Ritchie !!!
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#12759 3 years ago

Everybody loves keanu reeves. I love keanu reeves. Do you love keanu reeves? People love keanu reeves. I am reduced to begging.

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#12852 3 years ago

We need an alternative to hard rock, right? How about easy-listening rock? Get ready for .... Joe Cochran.

#12886 3 years ago
Quoted from dr_nybble:

I'm looking forward to LOTR Enhanced, with a new art package, Viggo call outs and clips from all three movies. Hey, a guy can dream right?

Just buy a Hobbit. Plenty of stuff in it you will like.

#12938 3 years ago
Quoted from StoneyCreek:

Totally agree. Add Beowolf to that list...

Something more classic ... maybe Dante’s Inferno. It was a smash hit back in the day.

#12995 3 years ago
Quoted from frankmac:

I wonder how a Nirvana pin would do?
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The music would be great. But what icons or symbols or objects related to the group could be implemented into the pin? I can’t think of anything that stands out, which usually means the pin would end up feeling sterile and soulless at best.

#13071 3 years ago

Did someone mention the Eagles ??

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#13072 3 years ago

Black Sabbath is who you want.

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#13091 3 years ago

Eagles - I hate the fuckin Eagles

Pink Floyd - 1 thumbs up - potential buyer

Black Sabbath - 2 thumbs up and 1 woodie - definite buyer if not messed up. Prefer JJP make this one.

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#13231 3 years ago

Hoping next title is Godzilla - the big toe ho.

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#13261 3 years ago

I suppose Gamara looks like Godzilla, if you wanna paint all big creatures with one brush.

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#13272 3 years ago

A Welk layout by Elwin and rules by Lyman would sell. However, Lyman is still got a bunch of work left to finish EHOH, so Welk is being pushed to end of 2022.

Godzilla is not strong enough theme for me. I will be passing but one thing could turn that around, introduction of King Kong. Godzilla vs Kong would be highly appealing. As we have never heard of Stern acquiring the Ape license, the next pin will be limited to Godzilla and friends. Maybe game will be good enough to win over new fans and I definitely want to play it.

#13323 3 years ago

The GB vault rumor lacks oomph, as a primary disappointment with the game was it’s lack of lcd screen and movie assets. So if GB was being “completely redone” it would need more assets and a crew to code it.

Not an impossible feat but also one that doesn’t fit the current direction. Lacking his detail convinces me the GB vault rumor is pure bs. So time to drop anchor and shift speculation back to a Jaws pin. Are you afraid of going in the water?

#13346 3 years ago
Quoted from J85M:

Won’t happen as long as Bob & Rob (creators and director of BTTF) are alive, they’ve gone on record many times saying they have been asked by the studio about BTTF4 and Remakes and their responses have been “not while we are alive” or “over our dead bodies”.
Pretty sure Bob has said in an interview his estate will also respect his wishes so there will always be a battle for the studio to remake them, thankfully!!

What if Bob & Rob mellow overtime and in the future, have reversed course? Bob decides it was silly not to make a 4th movie for no reason & Rob has an idea of how to make the new movie great. So these gentlemen must use that sweet de Lorean to travel back in time to 2021 and make the 4th film. There is your plot right there. Now make this license happen and don’t change doc.

#13372 3 years ago

BTTF is code for Whelk. Where else can you get your fill of accordion music? I want Stern to try something new. And if it means sacrificing the BTTF theme to get the code name, I am willing to make that call. Incidentally - Weird Al - plays polka music and anything else you want. I think Weird Al would make for a winning theme.

#13407 3 years ago

Keith’s pin after Godzilla will be based on music of the best band to never have a pin made - Black Sabbath. Let’s face it, when Rolling Stone mag refers to your group as the Beatles of Heavy Metal, you have made it. And that means time for a pinball machine tribute. In fact, it is past time so get busy Keith.

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#13429 3 years ago

Goonies never say die! Oh brother, I have no interest in playing one and really don’t want to look at it. Terrible theme, but if it happens, we’ll judge how good it is then. I don’t think it would sell squat. Well maybe 500 units. The target audience of the movie is 13-17 year olds (primarily boys), right? I’m content waiting for whatever pin follows that.

#13434 3 years ago
Quoted from Prince66cali:

So themes like iron maiden, batman 66, elvira, and led zepplin are better? What is stern s target age anyway?? 60+

Id say the target of those interested in playing a Stern pinball is 20-60 year olds. Sure there are younger and older folks who play Stern’s, but they are fewer.

The target head-of-household buying a Stern pinball is 35-65 yo’s. Likewise younger and older folks buy Stern’s, just not as many.

If we believe Stern makes 20k pins a year and we know these are sold through distributors, then look at the customer base of the Big10 US Distributors. I’d say it was 35-65 yo’s and bingo, we see the match. Stern game sales rely primarily on final end sales to 35-65 year olds. We conclude, this is their target audience.

#13549 3 years ago
Quoted from John_I:

Next release will surprise people.

Not much surprises me anymore, but if they released Alien, yea I would be shocked. Harry Potter next would likely cause a heart attack. That’s about it. What is the theme supposed to be - a band, superhero, video game or movie?

#13578 3 years ago
Quoted from NoQuarters:

All this talk of Comic editions. I don't think Welk will be a comic edition. But that's an interesting thought.

As long as Stern makes the pin simulate going to a Welk concert or show taping, I’m in. The comic angle will work fine, since most people hardly recognize Lawrence anymore. Biggest unanswered question is whether Stern will limit the Welk pin to 10 full length songs or will they play all the hits? Also, will they hire Welk to record custom speech?

#13603 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

Agree - no Welk comic art.
Called my distro and asked to put me down for a LE when/if it comes out.

I thought you were a fan ... I called my distributor today and ordered the Signature Edition #1/100. This is going to be great.

#13607 3 years ago
Quoted from cpr9999:

I put in another call to my distributor ASOA and asked for number #100/100.
I didn’t realize they were doing a signature edition. Thanks for heads up.

You are hardcore!

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#13671 3 years ago

No more Batman of any kind, please! If they can’t get a theme right in five tries, it’s time to move on. I like BM66, so figure that was achieved.

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Star Wars, on the other hand has eight strikes imo, yet strangely I’d love to see one good version done by Elwin before I pass.
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#13695 3 years ago

Coming soon is the universal pinball kit. 10k parts arrive at your door. Your job, should you choose decide to accept, is to assemble them into a pinball machine. Following notification to Stern that your game looks complete, they’ll send you Mission framework and you can create the ruleset and code it. Customer is responsible for qc and UL certification.

#13699 3 years ago
Quoted from Parkshow30:

Looks like a lot of yellow orange/red and black.
The Incredibles?

Maryland state flag ??

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#13770 3 years ago

Godzilla’s frienemies - Mother and Battra perhaps? Once redone by Zombie Yeti it would be a must buy.

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#13812 3 years ago

Stern proudly offers you Gary’s Rubik.

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#13866 3 years ago
Quoted from PinBalt:

I have a feeling that this puzzle is not related to a new cornerstone pin. Its too early.

If it’s a vault or a remake, based on colors, it has to be BKSoR. Otherwise it could be the MD state flag.

#13907 3 years ago

Which backup singers will be showcased crawling on the side cabinet of the Welk SE, I wonder? The Aldridge Sisters, Anacani, Lynn Anderson, Gail Anderson, Ava Barber, The Blenders or that bitch Barbara Moylan.

#13920 3 years ago

Well the wait is over ... Stern accidentally sent me an email with image of the new BKSOR vault they will be releasing Monday. They also said that Welk had been pushed back until Summer to give Elwin time to make that one really special.

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#13973 3 years ago
Quoted from cait001:

teasers aside, does anyone actually want a BK:SOR vault edition? It's one of the few games where the response at launch was tepid, but then once the code was completed, the result was still tepid.

It needs to come packaged with the topper, then I think it may have legs. Code has been improved a good bit and it might be a good pin to rediscover.

#13974 3 years ago
Quoted from Biv:

I don't know what you guys want with a SAW pin....like your wifes would never approve such a purchase.

A Saw pin where you had to put your penis in the coin slot while a bear trap gently caresses your foreskin as you try to solve the puzzle in time to safely remove said penis before it snaps, might be interesting. A good pin to watch others play on a stream and at a safe distance. I don’t think Stern has the balls to do that pin.

#13982 3 years ago
Quoted from Darth_Chris:

wow, where did that come from ?

Ever seen a Saw movie?

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#14055 3 years ago

If we are seriously considering cat themes, it’s time to ...get fuzzy!

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#14107 3 years ago
Quoted from Smurrill1:

Has anyone suggested Daft Punk? They would make an awesome theme and the music is PERFECT for pinball

So would you rather hear of a TronVe announced, an exact replica of Tron, OR see a totally new Tron themed pin that played Daft Punk music?

If you wanted to buy a Tron and listen to Daft Punk while playing it, I suggest picking up a used Tron in the market and swapping in the Daft Punk chip. Or buy PinBrowser and make your own mix. That is the primary beauty of having the old system architecture ... you can easily enhance the assets.

#14114 3 years ago
Quoted from RikeIsland:

I would really like to see Stern vault The Walking Dead. I need one in my collection. It would look good as a comic addition.
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I agree. TWD is code complete (almost) and is fun to play, but artwork was marginal. TWD comic artwork is way better than existing. I expect the cabinet and back-box artwork would be redone. Will the playfield art be changed too? Oh boy, it better! But there is one unanswered question which could be a deal breaker. Can the Owner replace the horrible sound/music with custom code? If not, the TWDve would be a No-Go.

#14166 3 years ago

So no puzzle released by Stern yet? I think they have jumped the shark with this one and are going with free public domain.Stern proudly presents ....

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to be followed with real pinball machines - Elwin’s Godzilla, Eddy’s Jaws and Ritchie’s L Welk.

#14170 3 years ago

How bout renaming it - fit the puzzle pieces ?

#14185 3 years ago

Why can’t Stern assemble their puzzle faster?

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#14263 3 years ago

I am still hopeful it could be King Kong vs Godzilla as that would bring in two sets of fans. In a Kong vs God film, first problem to resolve is that Kong is 1/4 the size of Godzilla. To make them more equal, Kong needs to be exposed to radiation and grow 400%. Then it would be an epic battle. Without that, Godzilla wins every time. Will we see King Kong (please yes)?

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#14278 3 years ago

has anyone mentioned the puzzles will likely be LE’s? They might as well number them (say 300) and have the artist sign each. I’d likely spend $50 for one, delivered. How much would you spend?

#14296 3 years ago

Stern had Rampage stickers listed the other day (not pictured). The franchise includes cartoon style monsters like an ape and a zila creature. Are they stupid enough to lead with it over Godzilla, I hope not.

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Quoted from NickyRicky:

Buy puzzle, place on top of backbox, take picture, sell as "newest Stern Topper", profit $$$

A puzzle to top every pinball machine and stickers to paste on every cabinet.

#14297 3 years ago

Anybody heard the rumor or seen Kaminkow’s Harry Potter puzzles? Apparently there are three of them in the works. Brian Eddy IS designing one of them.

#14358 3 years ago
Quoted from mrclean:

Spring - Godzilla
Summer - JAWS
Fall / Winter - Tron 82' / Back To The Future

That sounds nice but what about Welk? He already has his own action puzzle.
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#14363 3 years ago

Jaws had a big impact on my life. Grew up in FL and decided against ocean swimming at night after watching it. Still swam during the day, but I kept both eyes open. I didn’t need a movie to tell me not to swim in creeks with alligators. A Jaws pinball with “presence” would be great.

Shark attack makes #3 on my list of things that freak me out. #2 is big hairy spiders like in LOTR while #1 is a plane crash.

#14435 3 years ago
Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

TWD is one case where I was more than happy not have been able to buy the LE. The cabinet, legs and rail colour scheme is such a turn off. The Premium cabinet is pleasant by comparison .

TWD is a great game and would make a superb vault edition. Funny, I sold premium edition to get rid of the characters on cabinet and was happy with LE wooden crate artwork. What TWD could benefit from though is cabinet and translite art redo into comics style. I might not sell the LE to get a new one, but it would be tempting. I know many people who didn’t buy the game because it wasn’t suited for home, but with a relaunch I’ll bet those people could be accommodated. Probably don’t need to redo pf art but it would be welcomed. I’d buy a TWD puzzle or two

#14458 3 years ago
Quoted from RikeIsland:

While waiting on the new next best thing in just pulled the trigger on a TWD Pro lol. If they would just vault Tron already!

TWD was a good call, way to go. Once you pick up a Tron standard edition and add ramp lighting and chrome hardware, you’ll feel like you have the LE and be happy you didn’t wait for the vault and for saving $8k. Unless the Tron vault has new artwork.

Then buy a LOTR standard edition with shaker motor and add brass hardware, you’ll feel like you have the LE and be happy you didn’t wait for the vault. Unless the LOTR vault has new artwork and hi-fi sounds.

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#14527 3 years ago
Quoted from WpgPins:

Nobody hoping for an updated Back to the Future anymore? I’m still crossing fingers for that one!!

BTTF is dead. You’ll get Godzilla, Jaws and other stuff.

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I wish Stern would hire you as a project consultant for Jaws. Your ideas are what I want !!!

Quoted from Venom77:

Jaws would be one of my dream pins... will order sight unseen.... Some post back in the thread ask what could be put in the Jaws game... umm how about pure awesomeness.. there are tons of mechs or toy ideas to pull from.... One off top of my head would be to reuse the boat/kracken mech from Stern Pirates.. however instead of the boat sinking... why not have Jaws come up from underneath the playfield and eat your ball or something.. You could work a lot of ideas around boats, the metal flotation canisters, harpoon, end fight scene, beach attacks, helicopter attack, oxygen tank in mouth attack, shark cage. I mean just a little imagination and I can already come up with 100 ideas.... Far as call outs... pinball fx3 table proved that can be done... Robert Shaws voice actor was pretty dang close... in the hands of the right team at Stern.. it could be a real winner! Some people may not like Jaws.. but everyone has heard of Jaws.. every person ever to step foot in the ocean pictures Jaws before they go in.... that in itself speaks volumn that the lisc is valid enough to produce the pin.

#14529 3 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

For me Pat Lawlor has been running on recycled fumes and his pins lack imagination now. They're all some remixed version of what he's done before, instead of doing something new and cool (like the Avengers Tower ramp in AIQ). He knows how to make a smooth shooting pin, but they just lack any kind of "WOW" factor anymore. So, while Toy Story is a fun license, I'm not really chomping at the bit to have one because it will probably just be a predictably smooth-shooting pin with recognizable features from PL pins of yesteryear. Eric at JJP is clearly the hot design talent now with two very different, very cool, very desirable pins in a row. Stern has Keith Elwin, Lyman, and Tanio doing the cool stuff on hardware and software for them.

I agree with you on the new great designers = Eric & Keith + new software guys (including Keith’s coder). However I think DI was a great new design by Pat and maybe a pinnacle. But given’s Pat record of creating unique pins -> BR, SC, ES, TZ, DI, I’d wager he has one or two more excellent designs left, if not pretty good ones. Lawlor is the man who got Bally to produce a pin with a vertical playfield and then one with a digital board game. He got Williams to make a pin that violently shook it’s way across the floor and he shoved wide-bodies down our throat, before allowing JJP to show us a perfect layout. I’d say he could easily provide another groundbreaking design that we weren’t expecting, and I wouldn’t be surprised. He’s that good, so bl, don’t count him out.

#14632 3 years ago

The Summer release should still be Jaws, unless that is code for Shark Tank - yuck! or Sharknado puke!

#14642 3 years ago

Wonder what price we are looking at? A regular Stern LE release was about $9.5k US shipped and it must be $10.5k at least. A premium version of a Kapow title might be offered for $10k, but the LE is prob $13k and SLE $17.5k, applying the past practice of juicing prices for juicy titles.

Either direction Stern goes will be expensive and I am about fed up with high prices. They are too damn high! A home game needs to be a great theme (no bs themes allowed), must be executed perfectly and integrated well. If one passes that test I’ll be pulling out my wallet. The first criteria of theme means it better be a dream theme or you’ve lost me.

#14692 3 years ago

David Hasselhoff eats hamburgers off the kitchen floor, who am I to judge? (I disliked his performance in every movie he’s made, but his tv series work is ok). If we got a Bay Watch vault, it better feature the Hoff on every side of the cabinet, backbox, translite, all playfield toys and at least 5 times on the playfield.

But as poor a movie actor Hoff is, he is in a neck and neck race with Mel Gibson’s performances, but why form an opinion? (Braveheart is probably his best role and I can’t think of any his other movies he didn’t flub up). So would a I buy a Braveheart pinball machine in spite of Gibson’s belief system? Don’t see why not if the pin was well done?

#14828 3 years ago

If you want a board games, sh!+ just got real.

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#14853 3 years ago

Would be cool to pair revised list of themes into a 64 line tournament and then run a bracket to find 32, sweet 16, 8, final 4, final and a winning theme. I mean if this list is complete, we should be able to determine 8 best themes for a pinball company to grab and use, right?

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#15032 3 years ago

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#15191 3 years ago

BTTF is the preferred contemporary theme but recently watched Airplane and Airplane 2 again. They hold up well and both would make for a heck of a funny pin.

McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.

McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.

McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines.

McCroskey: Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

#15278 3 years ago

Regardless of whether Godzilla is a dino, iguana, reptile or plant based, it was given a huge dose of radiation, enough to make grow/shrink it by a big factor. So Godzilla was hugely radioactive, and just being near him would have been poisonous. Even if you survived his attack, radiation poisoning would get you. I am beginning to see holes in the probable story line.

#15281 3 years ago

If we are considering dragons and Komodo’s id like to request my childhood fave .. h r pufnstuf

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#15294 3 years ago
Quoted from Crumbalimb:

My distributor just told me Marty and Doc are going back in time and bringing Godzilla back to the future and adam lambert is going to sing to calm down Godzilla.So he says the next game is Back to the future meets Godzilla on stage with Queen.

Only thing missing from the fantasy are some Welk accordion riffs

#15493 2 years ago

IM = Iron Man

IMDN or Maiden = Iron Maiden

I am going with -> Maiden > JP3 > AIQ. More complicated is less appealing, unless required.

#15540 2 years ago

This may be unpopular but I have never seen a decent Godzilla movie. I’ve watched a dozen movies in full and another dozen where I couldn’t take it anymore and bailed. Not one was worth a damn, imo. Godzilla is cool though and if Stern incorporates some film footage, I will like it. IF Stern does not show movie clips in Godzilla, that would be a tragedy. Guess we’ll know soon, once Stern comes.

edit - thumbs up for more puzzles though. I’d welcome some cool Japanese styled puzzles with Godzilla.

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#15542 2 years ago

Stern could include one Godzilla themed puzzle in every $7k Godzilla pro pinball you buy. That’s right you heard it here. I believe Stern will be raising prices again with this release. So if Eddy’s game is next, that one is current pricing. Summer time is when Elwin’s Godzilla hits the beach, you’ve entered the $7k club.

All new new titles and models increase by $500 and all Elwin designed games increase by $500 (it’s a popularity tax on top of each of Elwin’s games). So Godzilla pro gets hit with a double whammy and it sells at $7k. That would suck and maybe Stern isn’t planning this, but I fear they are heading in the wrong pricing direction and are moving too fast to change course.

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#15573 2 years ago

let’s see what movie series is better than BTTF trilogy? this is going to be easy, let me spend 5 minutes ....

Jaws (throw out episodes 2 & 3).

Halloween ‘78 & ‘18 (throw out all others).

IJ (I liked all four movies).

Matrix (throw out episodes 2 & 3).

Alien.

Any Harry Potter movie (that’s x8).

I’ll stop there because I am out of time.

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#15808 2 years ago
Quoted from Mattyk:

I know it will never happen but Schitt$ Creek would be a fun theme. So many funny call outs. A few ways you could play the pin based on the characters in the show. If you haven’t watched it yet check it out

AFAIK Schitt’s Creek is a dramedy with very little action. Only saw one episode but I can’t fathom it making for a good theme. I am going to Netflix it more and believe that will satisfy any urge for me to see a pin. Your mileage may vary.

#15984 2 years ago
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:

Ok...serious question that I’ve had for a while...why would Stern create merch with a shark on it if they weren’t intending to make a shark pin (Jaws, obviously)? It makes no sense. And it can’t simply be because they’re trying to screw with all the pinheads wanting a Jaws game.

Jaws theme is old.

Sharknado theme is ridiculous.

But 3-headed sharks are hot now. Time for Stern to crank out t-shirts and to release a cornerstone puzzle.

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#15999 2 years ago

If a LEGO pinball is in demand... contact Bre to build,you one from 15k bricks. She is awesome.

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#16234 2 years ago

If Stern wanted to do a music pin, I’d bite on Diva Battle. 21 ladies (first name only and you still know em) enter the ring dressed in party gowns but only one can bottom up. Will it be a top contender - Alicia, Donna, Joni, Tina, Christina, Barbara, Ariana, Ella, Adele, Beyoncé, Celine, Aretha, Mariah or Whitney? or maybe an under dog - Shakira, JLo, Cher, Janet, Madonna, Diana? Forgot to mention video shows these ladies singing and while mud wrestling each other.

#16319 2 years ago

Golden Girls, pleazzzzze

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#16352 2 years ago

Stern is trying to reach the Everyman with their pinball machines so ..... where is my breakfast/lunch based pin?

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#16397 2 years ago
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:

Lifestyle brands don’t send out surveys to their community. They set the trends they don’t blindly follow mob rule. Big Trouble in Little China might be a cool theme but would be a commercial flop. If y’all want it so bad, homebrew it.

There may be 30 people on Pinside wanting Big Trouble pin, and that probably translates into 30 people iworldwide. Don’t allow the smoke by Big Trouble in Little China cloud your mirror, it is an illusion. Movie could have been made into a successful pin in 1990’s. Movie gets many thumbs ups today still, though it may be culturally insensitive for a post-2020 world. I’d rather a home brew did it anyways, as they can put caution to the wind and incorporate anything they want to.

#16409 2 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

With The Rock wanting to remake it, it may yet come around again. But if they do a pin of it, I want the classic version, not a Rock-ified one.

Turns out the Rock produced version has been percolating since 2015 and its not completed yet. The big news is that the new film will be a continuation of the story rather than a remake. That sounds fascinating but since Stern waits 30-40 years before making a pin, we can expect to see that in 2051.

#16415 2 years ago
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

need some cowbell! and more boobs.

and more Black Sabbath!! Actually hoping JJP gets that title as their next music pin with an assist by Slash. That would leave Pink Floyd for Stern. Let’s do it Stern, NOW. Pink Floyd !!!

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#16645 2 years ago

Mando is coming

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#16650 2 years ago
Quoted from Thunderbird:

Johnny did an amazing job on doing 3 JP themed pins.
Pro was JP morning
Prem was JP midday/sunset
LE was JP Storm
Very good artist that would do a good job on Mando/Biff/BTTF, lol.

Johnny Crap’s work is very good and I look forward to seeing what he does with Mando. Johnny don’t give us Crap

I really dug the JP premium cabinet with different art on left and right side of cabinet. Maybe he will continue this on MAN premium.

#16659 2 years ago

Johnny’s controlled line work is sharp, but it is his composition that really shines. His layout of the subject matter pulls me in and gives his work a comfortable feeling. I really liked his Tilt pinball design, but his work is kind of hit or miss.
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#16672 2 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

He’s not doing it...sooo

Im sure they’ll find someone good to do it.

#16729 2 years ago

If Stern’s topper looks like this and they light the eyes, it’ll sell out at $750.

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#16998 2 years ago

If those are the best quotes, they suck. Get ready for another pin with horrible callouts.

#17006 2 years ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

With the Kentucky Derby coming up I was thinking about odds for the next Stern theme .Does this seem about right ? 1) Back to the Future 3/1. 2)Godzilla vs Kong 4/1. 3)Mortal Kombat 6/1. 4)Mandolorian. 7/1. 4)Jaws 8/1. 5)Harry Potter 10/1. 6)Girls Gone Wild 50/1. 7)Welk 80/1

I’ll take #7 and #2 if you meant TOHO Godzilla. Stern is not making kong vs zilla despite that being what we want to get. Also odds for Harry Potter should be 1/100.

#17110 2 years ago

Needs more mandolin.

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#17229 2 years ago

Looked through Randy’s portfolio and he has three distinctive styles. He should do great on Mando. Stern’s next 300 piece puzzle is ready for release too, but is not in the store.

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#17750 2 years ago

People are always buying before trying. Look at all those with deposits on Mandalorian LE. Game hasn’t been seen and people have locked up most of the product. This is a prime condition for disappointment. What will game look like, what will it shoot like, what are the toys? Nobody knows but a lot of people are already betting on it. I hope it is good, but I need to play it first. Also have the playfield issues been fixed? Can’t gamble and buy a game if I don’t know it is solid.

#17825 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead1982:

Man... this is HARD!
The hype of Mando, I want to order one...
G&RLE has just been paid for and arrives next month..
Back To The Future.. gotta have that- probably be my first SLE... if it comes in that flavour..
Out of space.. what would you let go out of this line up..
Also have TAFG, MM & AFM (W), TBL EA 105, CFTBL, DILE, WWCFCE..
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Easy, sell Munsters. Oh I forgot, nobody wants one. Well, give it away and space problem resolved.

#17903 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

It would be a shadow of that game.

When people say it is going to be more like shadow, all that was meant by Kman and what he should have said is it wasn’t a fan layout and will have an upper playfield. Other than that the description fits every game with an upper playfield. What nobody has mentioned yet is what I hope will happen is for the game to have ramps with player controlled diverters, like in Shadow. Now that would be cool. Eddy please bring back diverters and give us a ship-shaped upper playfield, the force magnet and baby Yoda and I will be an overjoyed premium customer.

#18034 2 years ago

Rifle armor and the shooter rod accessories both look great, while art on side blades is not good and would be an easy pass. All accessories should be included on LE’s for no charge. But they aren’t.

We have yet to see the TM (The Mandalorian) LE package or topper ...

#18069 2 years ago

It is a pretty big departure by Eddy from his previous designs, no? It is a lot more interesting looking for sure. I see some nice things. While art is in the eye, it looks fine to me (except pro eewww).

#18131 2 years ago

When do Mando LE’s start shipping? Can’t wait to watch a stream or play one in person.

Any truth to the rumor that upper playfield is painted with uv ink and once the black light kit is purchased and installed, you can see Mando’s face under the helmet? If not that needs to be added.

#18233 2 years ago
Quoted from Zablon:

Yeah, they really stretching with their sales pitch. Very nearly false advertising...if that's even possible in pinball. Probably not, too many apologists addicted and scared they may not get the next fix.

False advertising recently with LZ also. Stern marketing said game is meant to feel like you are going to the LZ concert from 1970’s. Sorry, the game feels nothing like it. Where’s the ticket scalping mode? LSD experience? Plumes of marijuana? Topless groupies? Encore mode? Trash the venue mode? There is no linkage between the game and the marketing spin on LZ, and now there is no connection with Mando marketing and the pin. The game developer is the one who needs to straighten this out.

#18320 2 years ago
Quoted from screaminr:

A Majority of Aussies love Vegemite and think eating our native animals is wrong , but a slow cooked BBQ Koala is so yum

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#18333 2 years ago

I remember large fruit bats all over Australia. Probably not a good idea to eat them. On account of COVID and other diseases.

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#18522 2 years ago
Quoted from Aussiepinwiz:

Agreed. Queen would outsell Rush, in Australia and Europe (combined perhaps 20%+ of Stern's LE market), 10 to 1.

A Rush pin would not outsell LZ, whose music is superior and pinball sales are slow. A couple of bands that would make a good pin ... Black Sabbath (hoping JJP does this one), Pink Floyd, 5 Finger Death Punch, Hendrix, Queen, Van Halen, Tom Petty and Weird Al. Note - Missing from this list are Rush and the Eagles, and I hate the fucking Eagles, Man.

#18616 2 years ago

16 groovy tunes, baby

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#18617 2 years ago

Anybody got a copy of the latest Stern production schedule? My understanding is that Distributors can request this from Stern, but not many do. I’ve never seen a version that had the day’s date on it, making it difficult to know if it has been updated and if it is the current version. However it is often possible to read the tea leaves and decipher. So who’s got the latest production schedule?

Things it should show ->. no more Stranger Things pro’s and premiums; a run of EHOH in August; Mando LE’s, pro’s and premiums in Q3 2021; JP premiums in Q3 2021; space for a new game to start Q4 2021; SW comic book premiums Q4 2021 etc.

#18638 2 years ago

So many good themes Stern has. In production are 15 titles ...

Mando
LZ
AIQ
TMNT
STh
EHOH
JP
BKSOR
Munsters
Beatles
DP
Maiden
GOTG
SW
BM66

There are still many great licenses left. What could be coming over the next five years ??? My top themes I’d like to see and by whom:

Stern make -

Movies /
Godzilla
James Bond
BTTF
Jaws
Die Hard
John Wick
Top Gun
Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure

Music /
Pink Floyd
Jimi Hendrix
Van Halen
Santana
Nirvana

Titles I’d like to see from JJP -
Toy Story
Matrix
Black Sabbath / Ozzie Osborne
Harry Potter

Spooky (please) -
Halloween
Nightmare on Elm Street
Scooby-Doo
Beetlejuice
Pee Wee’s Playhouse (Eric P on software)

Pinball Bros -
Alien
Queen

Dutch Pinball -
TBL

Leaving Cult Favorites for American Pinball -
Young Frankenstein
Kill Bill
Pulp Fiction
Zombieland Adventures
Predator

I’d love all 30 to be made, but will take whichever happen. Two are in production - TBL and Alien; two are 100% going to happen - Godzilla and Toy Story; while the others are unconfirmed or not yet rumored. They may still be up for grabs, if so they should be locked down.

#18643 2 years ago
Quoted from newpinbin:

With all those in production I see why there will be no Vaults.

Yep, Stern might as well scrap the vault program. No need travel back in time to reintroduce a vault, when so many great titles lie ahead and the backlog of ordered games looms large. A new Back to Future with Kapow would be awesome too.

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#18834 2 years ago
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:

There...I’ve made every possible joke about WELK. Moving on...

a one, and a two ..

#18838 2 years ago

So it looks like Madonna can take Godzilla and GZ can take King Kong …. So Madonna is Queen Boss.

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#18907 2 years ago

As we wait for Godzilla, I can think of a few themes might make worthy pinball games. Am thinking of four possibilities. You might have a demolition derby or a drag race or a monster truck rally or a Moto X freestyle. I like monster trucks concept the best. There you might have Godzilla vs King Kong or Gravedigger vs He-man etc.

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#18975 2 years ago
Quoted from Our_Man_in_Oz:

Space issues for a lot of people in Japan preclude ownership of stuff like pinballs. So yeah, unless in an arcade, which still doesn't have big popularity for pinball, there probably won't be any real demand.

I wonder if upper middle class or wealthy Japanese have more regular size apartment/homes. NYC is pretty expensive but there are a handful of nice sized arcades and there are many private collectors within 100 mile radius. So space is still affordable enough for a population to have pinball. If not, Japan could be an ideal market for marketing virtual pinball in custom cabinet or Multimorphic swappable playfield concept. Any way about it Japan needs more pinball, imo.

#19026 2 years ago

I’d buy Archer premium and put it next to Maiden pro. What are we thinking about rules? Same but with Archer swapped for Eddie. I think the general structure of Archer rules were enhanced rather started from scratch so maybe possible.

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#19373 2 years ago

Maybe Steve Ritchie is going to try a horror flick. Heard he is crazy about the calicos.

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#19447 2 years ago

Can’t stand heavy synthesizers and have never enjoyed a Rush’s song ever. Stern releasing a Rush pin could be worse though, it could be a fuckin Eagles pin, man. Alternatively I like accordion songs, Welk pin would grab my money.

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#19878 2 years ago

Aerosmith is a fun shooter and the layout could be used for the Rush reskin.

#19926 2 years ago

Just saw a teaser for Godzilla vs Kong and I really wish Stern had done that version. Nothing new here but the toho has much less to limited appeal, whereas vs Kong has my attention. I don’t care much for the old version of Godzilla, but will like the pin anyways, if done well.

#19954 2 years ago

One other thing about the prices listed per pin, it is an average and doesn’t reflect prices that are trending rapidly. So events such as a $500 increase in Stern’s pro models tends to raise the price of past Stern pro models by about the same. That is the one good outcome of a market with rising prices, older model pins (more than 1 years old) tend to increase in price too.

#19992 2 years ago

Choosing the right Bond is difficult. I am pretty sure Stern will select one Bond film and license that. This approach is consistent with how they operate and would mean a conglomerate Bond pin is unlikely. This is a shame as what I think we want is all the Bonds, Villains, Bond Girls, Theme songs etc. That would be too expensive and Stern keeps their licenses simple -as in one film. And because it is easier to choose a film from the 60’s or 70’s in order to get the actor sign offs and music released without much hassle, time or cost, it makes sense for Stern to take that approach.

Looks like : Goldfinger 1964, Thunderball 1965, Diamonds are Forever 1971, Live and Let Die 1972, Tommorrow Never Dies 1997, Die Another Day 2002 and Casino Royale 2006 are contenders as each has been licensed on a slot machine. When the candidates are compared against the top 5 Bond films of all time, Goldfinger and Casino Royal are still standing. Of these, only Goldfinger is from the 60’s and that is why the Stern pin will be GOLDFINGER! Interestingly, rotten tomatoes listed top three Bond films are from 60’s. And Goldfinger tops that list too.

It looks like a great fit for a pinball machine also. Following is the movie’s plot:
The powerful tycoon Auric Goldfinger has initiated Operation Grand Slam, a cataclysmic scheme to raid Fort Knox and obliterate the world economy. James Bond, armed with his specially equipped Aston Martin, must stop the plan by overcoming several outrageous adversaries.

#20071 2 years ago
Quoted from pinballaddicted:

I am hoping Stern make 1000 GZLEs or maybe even more. Enough to satisfy demand and stop the flipping. Pinball pricing is crazy and unsustainable.

Agree with your point that if Stern made more LE’s to meet demand, then prices would not be crazy. So what if for Godzilla, let’s say Stern said they are selling no more than 1,750 LE’s at $10.5k. They would plan to run and sell the first 1k LE’s immediately, with follow up runs tbd. The first run may be enough to satisfy demand and if not then more runs of up to 750 LE’s could be made. While disappointing some because they would not be able to flip their LE’s for guaranteed profit, it would keep their market price close to MSRP level. In that case everybody wins. Guy buying game initially pays msrp, guy buying nib from dealer when Stern makes another run a year later pays msrp, guy buying a HUO pin can expect to pay close to msrp. With this approach, we have just reduced the risk of price gouging in the product’s lifecycle.

A side benefit of announcing a ridiculous number of LE’s is that it gives one pause about how special that LE would be. It might influence many of those buyers into the premium model instead and they would feel good about it. Some LE’s have nice extra’s and better graphics, while others do not and might not be worth paying more for.

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#20629 2 years ago

Hoping for a Matrix pin soon. Maybe CGC has this license but new movie by Dec.

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#20666 2 years ago

Stern guessed well when they went for the Godzilla license and assigned Elwin to design the game. One reason Godzilla makes such a strong theme choice is that in spite of numerous movies, there is no real defined plot. If Godzilla shows up, breathes some fire and crushes Tokyo, you have captured its essence. Other movies such as Jurassic Park have strong movie lines, but Stern ignored them to build a Jurassic themed pin instead. Fans wanted to see movie clips and sounds and although they got none of that, the game is still loved. I am amazed that Stern got away with it for JP3 but they won’t have that issue to contend with for Godzilla, as it doesn’t have to conform to any script.

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