So true.. I just don't get the interest in EHOH, I don't get the interest for a bunch of games actually.. a board of 'thinkers' got together somewhere and came up with budgets and ressources to produce.. an Elvira game? And they all said 'Yeah, good one, let's make this happen' ???

That's fine, you guys all done? Can we get back to topic, this is fun stuff thinking of the next Stern, not doing whatever you guys are doing, IMO (Thou, I can get some popcorn out..lol)

Feels like the guys over at Stern get traction with older titles, would be interesting to know which generation these guys are from. They would indeed probably go for the like of JAWS.. Myself, big sci-fi classics fan, I would go for SPACE 1999..

It's becoming crowded with rock music groups.. you want to love the music and play cool, fun games, but not limit yourself to owning Iron Maiden, the Beatles, AC/DC, etc.

How about a pin that would have all that, different groups, music.. QUEEN would definitely be in there, centre piece IMO! (let's face it, best group, best singer, best music ever.. Bohemian R best song ever. Period. That and probably Sgt. Pepper's best album..)

Stern ROCK GODS Pro, Premium and LE

And some KISS for the theatrics.. But Gene Simmons would ask to much % for that one!

Stern could really well make era-based.. I'm damn sure the 80's would bring in buyers, so would the 90's and early 00's.. for those markets, potential buyers are ripe because they can spend..

Pink Floyd, yesss! the Wall multiball..

They made it because they could sell it. People can do whatever they want with their money, it doesn't bother me. At least, they can actually play the damn thing! A lot of people out there pay premium money for collectables they keep sealed in, never enjoying those items - but just knowing they own them. I'm fine with that, too. Whatever floats their boat!

I actually had to Google that!! lol I can honeslty say I don't think it will ever happen.. sorry!

Queen yes, oh yes! But please, something better than this.. lol

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vidgameseller, I agree with your take on what pins are, 100%.. unfortunaltely, quite a few people don't. I recently have been looking around for a Tron, and some sellers made the whole thing feel like it was their pension fund or something! Some will say they need to make a profit, because it's a valued game. Others want to recoup whatever the heck they added to the game, regardles if I care for a Hallmark toy with a LED that was put in trou a whole they punched in..

But, yeah I see both your point and underlord's

To get back on topic, I'd really like Stern to vault TRON, but it's just me, lol, again I'm a big sci-fi fan!

Can I thumb up for more than 100% here? lol totally agree. It's marketing and I like that it's out there because it offers options. Also, even if you have the means to get some LE or SLE, doesn't mean you should. I prefer my GOT Premium over the GOT LE, prefer the art and the gameplay. Some people prefer the Pro because the action is more direct without the upper.. again, options! That's all it is. And Stern makes money, and they should, it's a business. Be happy it's succesfull..

I wote it elsewhere :

Stern SPACE X MARS, in collaboration with Tesla/Elon Musk. Can you imagine what crazy things those guys could come up with?

SPACE X

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Actually the sort of stuff Musk would probably react to! That mind needs to be kept busy at all time.. maybe he never got in pins when he was younger, and we should try to infect him with the pin virus, somehow! SpaceX mission to Mars, Tom Cruise in talks to make a movie in actual space, great publicity for Musk. I don't tweet, don't care for any of it, but I dare you to write to Musk!! Can you imagine, an hyper accelerated ball into a Boring Company tube, flamethrower special effects, mag Lev stuff, special 'in game' Tesla ludicrous mode.. and whatever that mind of his could come up with.. and music from his gf! Lol (that part, no need to mention it because I don't really care for that type of music)

The movie killed all feelings I would ever have about Howard the duck.. lol

Agreed, yet well see another one shortly, I bet..

Stephen King Pinballs.. Christine, the Dead Zone.. could be all bunched up into one big game.

I can definitely see Jaws, Wonder Woman, Black Widow and Guns N' Roses. Stern loves rock gods. I kinda need to see the side art on a Wonder Woman!

Man, you slammed that one! Lol

Hahaha, sorry... Still laughing about the 12-18 demographics!

Anyone up for The Mandalorian? Myself I wouldn't care, but just asking..

I don't think it's that easy to bring a Tron without a full redesign. Stern wouldn't have the parts, the CPU would need to be changed, retooling of assembly line, etc. Then they would need to bring something new to it, probably redo the graphics, playfield..

It's not as if Stern would have kept tons of NIB parts and components and just needed to assemble them. So, a full redesign would be in order.. why would they indeed, instead of doing a different game that is either more current or has an historical following (say, music groups), IMO..

Btw, myself I'm am not that crazy to see yet another music group title (haters will hate me for saying), we've just seen great titles such as ACDC being pulled out by the seller because there was no interest, so I may not be the only one which feels that way. And I've been looking all over (yeah, been bugging people a lot, I know) for a Tron that is reasonably affordable in Canada. And when I mean reasonable, Tron has increased in value more than quite a few games out there. So add toys and mods to the mix, then it's not that affordable anymore. And yet, the argument that Stern won't make a Tron VE because there are already games available out there on the resellers market doesn't stand up to paying $11000 USD for some Tron LE, or $6700 USD for a somewhat modded PRO. Convert USD to CAD, and Canadians will see my point..

So, replace the JP T-Rex with the mouth of Jaws, it would make it a new pin people will need to get? Even the 'dum, dum, dum, dum, dum background music won't help with the rapid pace of some good gameplay..lol

It won't be Tron, lol, unfortunately. And I'm dazzled at how many people jumped that Jaws' boat (s'cuse the pun!). Stern would definitely need a bigger marketing boat to sell this. I loved that movie, but how many people have watched it in full more than twice? Raise your hand you few, you happy few? Lol

And France called, they'd like a Jerry Lewis Premium!!!

Lol, the shark gets it at the end, spoiler! But seriously, that movie then does something for you, the music, the acting and how it was masterfully put together by Spielberg. So, yeah, you must not be the only one that has watched that movie many times during your lifetime, but how many of those people will also jump at the chance of forking out $7000 on a Jaws, sure it will be sold out rapidly and back ordered. But so will be any title put out by Stern. I'm just putting out there that Stern execs may want to invest in a sure thing, something that will be easy to market, and not just with movie officiandos in mind.

Star Wars has toys, movies, fanbase, etc. It has Legos by the truckload. Same with Marvel. Music groups have their epic songs that will go on forever and will be discovered through time. Jaws is a movie based on a good book. Doesn't mean I don't like it, and that I wouldn't want to play a Jaws. But buying it would be a tougher sell in my case. Again, it's just me.

Agreed on the movie, as for the book, I used to be a sucker for those types. I'm sure reading it again (no intention of doing that, just not there anymore!) would prove you right. Then, I'd rather read Moby Dick again, a classic, but same underlaying theme..

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I certainly would go nuts! But how easy would it be to get that vault edition? I can already see 'pre-waiting' list, delays, units bring backordered..only to find out preferred customers got to them first. Then, prices magically would go up on all of them, including the older versions!

Black Widow...

Ridiculous prices.. can't wait to read about, yet, another wave of people saying that THEY can afford this, and that the ones that can't afford this should shut up and move on to another hobby..

I can hear the cries and pleads from the different buyers that just spent $6500 to $14000 on the current line!

Please go work at Stern and make them see the cyber light!!!

Super interesting angle, yup, that's how the market felt around Tron, but you've done some digging and it is what it is, regardless the movie was a hit or not. There's definitely some huge interest in Tron because of the theme. The Shadow movie sucked eggs, but I wouldn't trade my Shadow away.. there's something about it, dunno, my gf and me clicked with it! And no, it's not because of Alec in the case of my gf! Lol

We know that! But this is fun stuff! You wanna talk about the weather or do small talk? Nice and warm here in Ottawa, trying to drag my gf into the pool. There! Lol

Anyhow, anyone knows what other licenses Stern may have? Other than their current line of products.. is this something they announce sometimes?

Cause', Avatar is coming and it will be a big thing for the next few years, so..

I would, but you know, Canadian dollar versus US, taxes, import fees..

Myself don't need NiB.. I guess it's like a new car, lol, everything perfect..

..that number looks fishy..lol

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If they were ever to do one, they would do the extra mile, hopefully Stern execs know all that stuff. And if it happens, chances are they need to wait for one year or two so they ride out their current commitments to existing licenses, to benefit from Tron 3 if it ever comes (looks promising), the opening of Disneyland's Tron attraction, etc. There's still a pandemic going on, so Stern undoubtedly had limited capacity..

And do check out the noise about Tron 3!

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That's the best argument right there, Jumanji = very nice side art!

Stern doesn't have to ensure the value of older machines creeps up, then that they keep said value, does it? If you buy a Premium or LE, you're paying for the extra perks, nothing more. I didn't sign an exclusive agreement with anyone when I got my last Premium.. it doesn't say 'Stern promises to NOT release anything that may jeopardize said future value of the game you've just purchased...'

Because I know they have talked about exactly that. I had been writing to Stern recently about trying to find a Tron.. then, someone told me on another forum they had some insider's info about Tron VE that was indeed coming.. so, I wrote back to Stern to be added to their waiting list.. I guess some execs were not having a busy week, or maybe they got tired of me writing to them, but they actually replied and cc'd a bunch of other folks from inside Stern. Big organizations are all alike, sometimes the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, so I got the feeling that one section of Stern was kind of asking about Tron VE as well.

I got some sort of a reply saying they knew how Tron was big out there, and knew about its reselling value. They also know about that Tron 3 may come. It's a Disney license that they have, those don't go around cheap and it's kind of a privilege to have. So nobody said no about doing a Tron at one point, but probably not the vault people expect. Fact is, they were kind of saying that the VE stuff may never be done again because it was almost as much work than actually creating a new game.

My understanding is that they wouldn't do a Tron before way later, especially because Stern had other great licenses to exploit, great titles coming, and that they were currently behind production and backordered. I have no idea what they meant when they said that whatever was coming up shortly was already sold out anyway. And that they were just fulfilling orders at this point.

But they ended by saying that if it ever happen, it would be modernized with spike (I have no idea what it means) and that it would stand up to the more recent games we've seen.

Just different translites.. if I remember, they used the original 3D translite from the LE on the first run of the PRO, then the others came out with the girls, etc.. doesn't make them VE..

Lol, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. They didn't rename it or anything. Then just went with decals instead of stencil, and changed the translite which was probably cheaper to produce than the original 3D version..
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I don't think people are all saying that, it's just that it makes sense when a movie comes out for derivative products to be available.. kind of take advantage ot the publicity, etc..

But what do we know! Lol A lot of people are thinking a vaulted Tron would be a great idea, and that Disney should have made that Tron 3 a long while ago. Yet nothing has happened! Sometimes it just makes too much sense..

Then, I don't believe you meant to imply those Tron 2nd, 3rd, and 4rth editions were in fact different iterations of a Tron VE. Or else, Stern would have called it that way. Those Tron versions came from the same production run, they didn't need to be vaulted. Must have come down to Stern execs telling themselves 'hey, this game is catching and is in high demand, let's do some more and fix a few things along the way..'

You are however right about the lack of a clear definition of what a real vaulted pinball is, because it's all about marketing and selling a niche product that has become in demand. Same goes with Pro, versus Premium and LE. We all have it pretty good idea of what those are, the vault (or VE) is just some different marketing branding.

I went back to Stern's website to read again about their VE releases. In a nutshell, when a game is really successful (and there is still a high demand for it), Stern's goal is '...to take one of our most popular games and make it even better'. Then follows a long list of improvements, affecting every aspect of the game, not just a few decals or a couple of toys. But also music, armor, GI, etc. Same game, different experience.. at least, that's Stern's claim!

Sure..

Lol, I don't need it to make me feel any better, we're just exchanging on a forum here. Also, seems we're boring skink91..

I'm in both for a Muppets, or Space 1999!
Also a Lego would be awesome, Stern should look at that Hotwheel!

Agreed, who needs a fireplace anyway - we're talking about Jaws here! But don't touch Vader (unless you want to replace with a Centurion..)

Because people will need some reference material.. and, no, you ain't getting this! Lol
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Same universe as wanting a Howard the Duck pin... denied!!

So what would make Stern some big money if a brand new game was to come out next year? That's what will drive this, certainly not all the cool and not so cool ideas we've been posting here.

And it should be a game they (Stern) has been working on, say, for the last year and a half or so (since mid 2019). Design, coding, production lines, contracts, etc. These things need to be planned..

It gets my vote! Makes sense, 2017 was a record year for Wonder Woman when the movie came out. They would have thought about it from that moment on, which brings us to now (delays due to pandemic).

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Then Wonder Woman 84 Premium

LE would have electroluminescent whip along the ramps..

Yeah, you're right.. whisful thinking! Lol

Lol, don't mince words, what do you REALLY think about the guy? Lol

Can we have a top ten Stern potential games and do a poll? Any admin can make this happen?

They'll probably annonce.. their upcoming announcement..

9000+ posts on what the next Stern will be... Stern sure got us by the (pin)balls!!

At this point, hoping on Friday for either: Jaws, Wonder Woman or Tron VE

How do you feel about Gal Gadot on the side art?

You've just made her ANGRY!!!

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So, what is the new pin that will be announced on Friday? I don't mind if the answer comes either from Kaneda (dunno him) or BallPin (dunno him either). I'm sure, both passionate guys simply jonesing around, like we all do!

Sounds about right, amazing, right? Eating right out of Stern's hand, but it's fun stuff just the same..!

Stolen from 20th Century Fox! (sorry, too easy!)

I'm liking that one! Sign me up! I've been looking for an overly priced troubled NIB so that I can buy this thing and resell it the next day with huge profit because I will have added a few lighted up toys an some Mikonos apron art!!

Such a trendy, useless website...

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4 new titles? They can barely keep up with meeting with current quotas, they are quite late and behind their delivery schedule.. however, I could see they'd want to take advantage of the current situation.. lots of people either jonesing around or with too much pinball money..

Lol

Soo.. where are we at on that Stern announcement?

Looks like it, a bit like that Star Wars comic art..

Don't generalize.. myself, I'm just here to get more info on what's coming.. I don't know you nor that Kaneda guy. The only person that irritates the shit out of me in hobby is Mikonos - I hate spammers!

I'm with you on that.. much a do about nothing!

Came here for some fireworks.. was called off on the account of rain..

Just a game, man! Just a game!

Sarcasm. It's a lost art..

Has Stern ever announced something else, say the week after today's announcement? Like another brand new game?

This Avengers title seems to have been on their radar for a while, probably pushed back because of covid.. so, a bit disappointed considering how the hobby has picked up steam in recent months..

Just saying we may get more shortly..

You don't really need a fireplace, do you...lol

My god, didn't know. He turned in such a great performance in that movie - he's Black Panther 4 ever.

Well, now we'll dream of a new James Bond!!

That was so simple it's brilliant!! Really! Bring in all different shades of villains to the world of pins! Stern's Dark Series..

Bond villains, Star Wars baddies, Mandarin, Ultron, Loki.. you can do a Tron Clu - Earth Invasion Edition

Star Wars Sith Lords..

Star Trek Klingon Empire (all characters and wording in proper Klingon and sounds)

And, in case we need to repeat it louder so that Stern's execs are listening, Jaws.. that's a baddie all right..

We like our Hulk LE..

Underrated game since the beginning. Eventually Stern came back with updated code. Ours is tweaked the way it should, tesseract and a few other extra mods. My gf's favorite game. I just said we liked it to indicate it's totally enjoyable now. Can't say that the new Avengers announcement has me running to make some room for the upcoming pin, nor get rid of Hulk. 9700 posts on the next Stern game, you'd see that many posts about what people would really want to play..

Snap!