The WHO LE!
Goonies and Beetlejuice would be sweet, prefer goonies though. Both movies have a ton of stuff to work with.
I think Beatles, The WHO, Jimmy Buffett, Led Zep, Pink Floyd or even a game based on a genre like classic rock/hard rock where they use a variety of bands all on one machine. These bands all have a cult like following and would be big sellers, pricey licensing I'm sure though.
What’s everyone’s best guess on when the next machine will be announced?
If it isn’t until TPF which is mid March doesn’t that kind of setup a rather compressed 2018 for rolling out 3-4 new machines?
Being GOTG was Oct 17 I really thought Jan/feb we would know something.
Quoted from northvibe:
Iron Maiden is the rumor from the interwebs
I saw that but the thing that has me scratching my head is the rumored Beatles pin which the same people said would be expo maybe sooner.
Assuming Stern has this license, have they ever built two music pins within the same year. Seems odd.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
But Beatles is a KAPOW title and that means no pro etc. Supposed to be Expo again just like BM66.
And 80 Beatles SLE at $15000!
Iron Maiden is a regular Stern title.
There was a rumor that Kapow was going to do a Yellow Submarine machine but now it appears this machine will not be Yellow Submarine. Would that still be a Kapow then? This was published in one of the threads in the last couple days.
I’m hoping they roll the next title out soon... I’m chomping at the bit to buy something.
Quoted from flashinstinct:
Excerpt taken from Pinball Magazine's article on EAG Expo
"Stern’s next new title is likely to be announced in April, which according to rumors, should be Keith Elwin’s first game with artwork by ZombieYeti."
That really sucks if there is nothing prior to April.
Hard to see it being a 3 machine year plus a vault/Kapow title.
Quoted from J85M:
I guess Luci is plugging the gap from now until April.
It does suck that we have to wait till April as I am very excited to see what Keith has in store for his game, his Archer layout looks very interesting and fun to shoot, would love to see that layout go into production but equally excited if it’s something new.
Yeah October -April is definitely a big gap of nothing. Especially since they have already been doing the Acdc vault.
From a competitive standpoint I was thinking Stern was going to try and launch one more new title prior to JJP potc shipping to really put the screws to them.
Isn't the Luci run going to be very small? I bet they make maybe 50-100 tops. Maybe not even that many.
It really shouldn't slow the line down as they are already building the same machine, only differences being some art.
Regardless, 6 months is quite a long time between new machines for Stern.
Quoted from pinmister:
Was thinking why would Stern do two music pins so close together for release-AC/DC Luci Vault and Iron Maiden. Even with a month or so apart you would think they overlap a little. What if Iron Maiden is Stern's code word for King Kong or Jurassic World or something else? Stern is great at throwing curve balls. Same goes for Deadpool with the recent release of GOTG, I can see Deadpool in late 2018. Usually Music pin, Super Hero Pin, Movie Pin, rinse and repeat.
I think there is going to be some disappointed folks - I predict next game not Iron Maiden or even a music pin. I’m going to go out on a limb and say next music pin we see from Stern is not Iron Maiden either.
Quoted from flamehead:
Those that post that maiden has a small fan base are really showing ignorance. Iron Maiden has sold more than 93 million (by way of comparison U2 is under 50 million)albums and performed more than 2000 live shows to over 20 million people. There are people right now on ebay paying more for old Iron Maiden tees than for Pinball machines. Iron Maiden flys their own 747 from show to show not a bus like Metallica. They re one of the biggest bands of all time. Just because you don’t like them or don’t know the music doesn’t mean they aren’t huge.
Way off on your U2 info - more like 14 studio albums which sold well over 170 million copies. 4 out of top 20 grossing tours by any artist or group all time. Numbers are pretty amazing actually.
Bad comparison - not even close
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
I fancy a Beatles but my worry is that this is the Kapow title and that only means expensive, crazy expensive and ridiculously priced editions
Translation. No pro.
Just my opinion but Beatles is either the next Stern machine or the Kapow title in late summer/fall.
If this license has indeed been secured as has been reported they aren't going to sit on it too long as it will likely be the most expensive music assets acquired to date.
Quoted from TigerLaw:
Munsters by Borg is what most of the people with usually correct info are saying will follow Deadpool. Borg was telling some groups of people at TPF that he’s a Fall release, he never said Munsters (or gave any hint as to the title) but said he had some incredible mechs he was visibly excited about. We will see.
Queen would be a good theme. Beatles is a bit old for my personal taste but I’m sure plenty of people will be plenty interested in it. Jurassic World would be a great theme but id rather see JJP do that one.
It was posted here by folk way more in the know than I am that the Beatles license is confirmed to be acquired.
They did not say by who but if I had to guess Stern or Kapow.
Also confirmed that it wasn’t yellow submarine either.
If someone ponied up the big money for this license they sure as heck aren’t going to sit on it for 12-18 months that’s for sure.
Quoted from TigerLaw:
Well, I’m not sure if it is fair to say that giving the title a normal Pinball development cycle to make it the best it can be is really sitting on it...that said, Stern has prioritized titles for quick development in the past so you certainly may be proven right.
I agree with that but I think the Beatles theme has been in the works for a while. Wouldn't surprise me if it was acquired 6-12 months ago, no way to really know.
Quoted from DS_Nadine:
Yes and no. The Beatles ('ses widows) are experinced licensors and with Rock Band: Beatles being great in Terms of freedom art direction wise that should be all good.
BUT what they weren't allowed was to change the music itself (so it had to play a note altough you didn't hit in in the game, wich breaks a lot of the games feedback). Considering that It'll propably be hard getting somebody screaming JACKPOT over some songs and giving David Thiel (or whomever) some hard time. :-/
Still, if the game is no turdfest I'd be in.
Music is generally easier to license than top tier movies and the Beatles probably license more items than any band out there. Im all in at any price if it's designed well.
Quoted from drfrightner:
Okay I have a somewhat inside source here is what I'm hearing.
Stern has been releasing three games a year, and they're already at two this year with Black Knight and Munsters. That means there is only one more game coming from them. You will see that game in October and it will be Elvira 3. So the breaking news if what I'm being told is true is there will be no JW or Stranger Things. This makes sense because there is no reason what so ever to push out J World because the move came out a year ago now, and the next one isn't out until 2021. Common sense would tell you, would be nice to hitch a ride on that train.
I think you're going to see Elvira in October at Chicago, then in the winter you'll see Stranger Things.
Here is what I learned, in the old days, a pinball company only had one line, they made one game, today Stern makes multiple games. Currently they have everything from Beatles, Deadpool, Black Knight, Munsters, Guardians, Batman, Star Trek, Star Wars all these games on the line. They have orders from all these games and their lines are tied up until late summer, September. They're a business about making money not new pinball games every few weeks.
Lastly, a lot of these places that have bought games, honestly they're running out of room to take on more games, there is already a lot to choose from. If Stern started making 4 or 5 new games a year they're doing nothing but cannibalizing themselves, they know the market.
So here is the bottom line Stern is probably not going to be releasing a new title until October when you'll see Elvira. Use some common sense here... are they really going to release a game here in August then turn around 2 months later and release Elvira.
I doubt it.
So we can pretty much stop going nuts and just look towards October for Elvira 3. If I'm wrong I'm wrong but that is what I've learned.
Only thing I would add is they have been doing 3 cornerstones and 1-2 special makes whether it be a Kapow title or Primus, Supreme, home edition here and there etc...
Could it be some special run? A vault?
Maybe we will finally see the topper as well, they did say they will reveal it with a formal announcement.
Has me wondering now are they going to play it safe with the original trilogy or take a chance on Force Awakens/Last Jedi era?
Yeah, looks like drops guarding the ramp with a airball shield installed. Looks like something at top of right ramp as well and another airball plastic.
No idea what the angled thing is on ramp in front of Death Star, and I thing I see two spinners up the middle or a spinner and a drop, can’t tell.
Chewy makes a appearance too!
They need to get better about reveals, that was pathetic regardless of the game.
could the dec rumor be another Kapow game?
There was some chatter of this early in the year.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:
TMNT is the final cornerstone this year. Next year's first cornerstone pin should ship in Jan and as to what that theme it is ??? Stern hinted it was an 80's theme.
80's theme's already done -> Star Wars, Ghostbusters, IJ, BTTF. Stern won't do horror themes like Friday 13, Nightmare on Elm, Halloween, Gremlins or Chuckie. This leaves possible themes after TMNT -> another BTTF, Die Hard, Blade Runner, Beetlejuice or James Bond. That pretty much is the whole universe from that decade, excluding ongoing rock band acts.
You forgot Goonies, it’s been rumored someone has this. Deeproot, Stern or Spooky. Spooky even had some obscure Goonies references in TNA.
Turtles is a shitty theme that already has a machine from Data East.
Enough of the remakes already, plenty of fresh shit out there that has never been done before.
I’m 1000% in for Goonies!
Yep...like a f-14 tomcat or gold wings.
Let me guess this one will feature the f-18 super hornet in the game...lol
If you need a Tom cruise fix in your house just get one of those and rock one of the alternate translites that are out there.
Quoted from Capn12:
Despite really wanting a great 80s theme, it is starting to feel more and more like it will be the Zeppelin reskin(to me). That seems like a fitting release to jam into the end of the year, before the next cornerstone (TMNT). I hope that isn't the case, but with JP and Elvira coming out so recently, it just feels like we won't be getting another net-new pin.
That is a good point. They will likely need to announce this by the end of October is shipping is prior to Christmas.
That is exactly what they did with Beatles.
Quoted from vireland:
Beatles did not sell "well" from all indications (they only made a bit more than half the 1965 they were going to because no distributor wanted to buy 10 packs once the diamonds and platinums were all gone on the initial run and only overpriced golds were left), and aftermarket values for all levels of that pin are terrible.
What you say may be true but has no bearing on if it made Stern a bunch of money.
Even if they only sold 900 at an average price of 8k and the average is higher factoring the diamonds and platinums in. At 8k average that is 7.2mil in revenue on 900 units. The game likely cost under 4K to build even with the license fee.
To make a long story short, for a relatively quick production run and non cornerstone game I think it financially did fine for them and that is really all that matters.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:
Hit the Xmas nostalgic market hard.
Many different sources suggesting this is next.
And it will be Quicksilver, not Ali.
I think there are plenty of false rumors to catch various podcasters out, and throw people off the scent!
So your thinking the quicksilver/Led Zeppelin is next?
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:
Ha just read your post. You are describing the idealized version of the theme. This is Stern we are talking about. If Stern made the Goonies, it might not include movie clips or sounds. Would you still want Goonies then? Sheesh be careful what you wish for. If you think Stern’s version of Goonies would be a good pin, then I think you are a die hard Goonies fan. Fortunately Stern isn’t stupid enough to proceed on a Goonies. Die Hard on the other hand, would be golden.
Die Hard would be good but as you say about Stern, it wouldn’t be without the video and profane John McClain dialogue.
Quoted from Looprunner:
I heard at the York show it was Pink Floyd! First I've heard that rumor. I would actually consider a Karate Kid just because I'm a big fan of the movie. I'm not sure how well it translates to a pinball machine. I'd rather have a Back to the Future or Transformers 1984. My daughter and wife both said we would be buying a Stranger Things pin if they made one. I don't see that being the dream theme that was talked about.
If it’s a music theme it’s Led Zepp, whoever said a Pink Floyd had to have misspoken. Never heard that one in the mix.
Will we see this next game at expo?
Seems like they are running out of time if it is still to be out before Christmas.
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:
You can say what you want about scientology, but there are some great people who practice it and they claim it's made them who they are. Chick Korea the genius jazz musician is one of them. So who am I to say?
Maybe great in their own mind but at the end of the day they aren’t in my circle so I don’t care. Weird shit period...
Back on subject
Is it Led Zeppelin, Goonies or something else and will it be out before the holidays as originally rumored?
That list is ridiculously off as a Bond fan. On Her Majestsy’s secret service at #7? View to a Kill #23 or thereabouts, no way.
I don’t think Stranger things is next based on what I’ve heard. It may be the first game of 2020 though!
Quoted from JodyG:
If you think Stern gives one iota of care what secondary market values of their machines are, you are dreaming. The only sales prices Stern cares about are the prices of the machines they are building today.
Yeah I agree, they don’t give a shit as long as people buy them.
I do however think that they should wait like 10 years to do this shit... so it’s 2020 and anything prior to 2010 is game. Vault to me has the meaning of dragging something out of the archives on a new limited basis.
Just my 2 centavos
So what’s the latest, is Zepp next or not until October?
Man would that steal JJP’s thunder if next, what an epic battle of the bands that would be!
Quoted from Sako-TRG:
Alas, it’s just too much to hope for I guess.
007 could be the best pin ever if they got it right. I really don’t know how the Stern boys would pull it off though.... they cracked Beatles so anything’s possible I guess.[quoted image][quoted image]
It think that was Joe K that cracked that license and back around that same time 007 was rumored to be a future Kapow title as well. I think there may have been a hint in one of the many podcasts. Who knows at this point, that was a while ago.
Quoted from Sako-TRG:
Then you would know the correct term is a Moderator
Wrong again.. the main stream term is sound suppressor in the firearms world, that is if your aren’t using the term silencer. Maybe different over in your neck of the woods though, can’t speak to that.
Let’s get back to pinball talk
Quoted from LukyDuck:
Godzilla is the code name for their Barney the dinosaur pin. What else would Godzilla be a good code name for? Geeezzzz It is going to have purple armor and is a compliment to their green TNMT pin!
Couple weeks ago one of the usual sources indicated Godzilla was the code name for Led Zep.
Quoted from JonCBrand:
I NEED to know what's next. I want turtles but I honestly think there are some great pins coming.
Zep is not for me.
Jack Danger has stated that he has proposed designs/ideas to stern but thats all he has said
Jacks gots some crazy ingenuity and design skills.
If one of his gets built im in for sure.
I tend to like Steve R games and he’s apparently on Zep and next. Now that it’s a new layout vs a 70/80’s rehash I’m pretty excited for this.
Quoted from PinballManiac40:
That would be the Heavy Metal contract game that was postponed.
That was a limited run boutique game that was supposed to ship before tmnt.
Next cornerstone is rumored to be aug or oct depending on if it’s a 3/4 game year and how this shutdown set them back.
Seems it didn’t really delay tmnt too much since they are ready to go with pro’s in June.
They should be rolling out any day now as well since they were supposed to be ready for TPF or at least I thought that was their intent.
Wonder how many orders they got for it given the high price.
Quoted from Midway-Man:
So who is actually next?
Gomez or Ritchie?
I would love to see another game made by George. His two recent games BM66 and DP were received very well. I enjoyed playing those when they were on location here.
But with the next game rumored to be Led Zeppelin I think it actually is Steve turn.
I wonder why no one has mentioned
Grand Theft Auto 5
I thinks any of those titles would sell well.
Wasn’t Star Wars home edition a Gomez pin too?
I’m pretty sure Steve is up next.
Quoted from John_I:
I doubt Ritchie is up next. They generally space out his games a little more. Last time two years in between. If the decision was only recently made to make a full Pro/Premium/LE Led Zep instead of reskinning an old classic Stern, then I expect this game no sooner than Christmas or early next year. I hope I am right too; I need time to save for the automatic LE purchase if it does come to fruition.
That decision to go new skin for Zep was last year and Steve has been apparently working on this for quite a while. There was a podcast at least 12-18 months ago where this was somewhat discussed.
It’s coming and the sooner the better!
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