No turtles, led zepp please!!!!!!
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3 months later
Quoted from DudeRegular:Sounds like it. No insider info just listened to the George Gomez interview recently. He said they had a ton of orders to catch up on and the new game would be later in the year.
I've heard that either jaws or godzilla is next. Followed by zeppelin, prob in early 2021
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1 week later
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:LZ will not do as well as GnR regardless of what the game is like. Zeppelin is a great band but the music isn’t as fit for pinball not to mention a generation older. I’d be happy for you guys who want it if it got made but it won’t be a huge success. Just facts.
I'll take that bet 
1 week later
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:Life has already leached imagination and fun from them?
No, they grew up
Quoted from John_I:Funny a lot of kids are that way. My cousin's boys back in the day had all the toys and even the round eyeglasses. Now they deny ever being more than casual fans of HP. To me I never saw the draw, but to each their own. HP would be an automatic pass for me.
Thanks. Thought I was only one haha
1 week later
Quoted from BigT:Anybody know what or when Lyman's is up again?
Keep hearing hes doin zepp
Quoted from BigT:Reading through pinside, there seems to be a belief that Lyman will not work with Steve Ritchie. If I am right the last time those two teamed up was on ACDC.
You're right. I wasn't thinkin when I answered.
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I too was unimpressed with ehoh when it was introduced. Fortunately, I was able to play again with code at .99 I think( near there) and it was amazing. New code again 2 days ago only makes it better. Pretty sure its not leavin here. Topper is better with latest update also. Hoping 1 more update at least to finish
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:Suoer glad he wouldnt likely be on a possible BTTF. His games have been so easy for me to ignore for quite a while now. I like 80s SR games.
Have you spent much time on a bksor premium? Fast fun game. But, i like fast shooters better so,
Quoted from PokerJake:AC/DC, Star Trek and BKSOR? Three amazing games. Star Wars even has a great layout, unfortunately the multiplier heavy code kind of ruins the game.
Exactly!!
If you got back within 500 of purchase, why do you feel burned? Not trying to incite, just curious. Thx
Quoted from PinMonk:* Almost 2 Years of blinky lights-in-a-box non-code. We rarely played it and eventually realized code wasn't coming anytime soon, so it was put out on location where it performed poorly.
* Cheap SLE "extras" like the pinstriping that came off within a month and the cabinet sticker that delaminated
* No SLE-specific warranty spare parts to FIX issues like the delaminated coin door cabinet area
* Pretty great looking topper that did essentially nothing.
Just a poor effort all the way around for a "SUPER" machine that was $6k over the LE machines at the time. MAYBE $300 worth of BOM cost to get an extra $6k (remember, Stern only sold these direct, so they didn't have to share any of the margin with distributors).
Never again.
Ok
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:Any truth to Kanedas speculation of a Led Zeppelin announcement coming this Friday? I feel like Kapow BTTF should be the holiday announcement. Hmmmm
I hope so!!
Quoted from Psw757:Me too..I need a new pin and I think I’m passing on GNR.
Oh hell, I passed on that long ago 
Quoted from beelzeboob:I can't believe you guys passed on GNR. Have you seen the light show and all the toys???
Gnr is great theme, I just dont like how jjp games feel. Maybe this one will change my mind, if I get a chance to play. I prefer the strong snappy flippers, and like SR designs in the past. And for the price of a true LE, you get a limited game. Jjp 15 to 2000 more, for 1 of 5000, or however many they end up making.
Quoted from cooked71:Yeh, nah. You'll never win a Playfield quality arguement backing Stern.
Read what I said, yet. It can and will happen to me im sure. But on met, acdc, kiss, bksir, ehoh and aerosmith ,no issues. Still have 4 of those, others a buddy 1 mile away bought, so I know they are still good
Quoted from PinMonk:Huh? JJP flippers feel great. They're essentially the time-tested B/W standard.
Just my preference. Im not a pro player, so maybe I need a stronger flipper. Gnr looks great, just not for me. Yet 
Quoted from cooked71:Yeh, nah. You'll never win a Playfield quality arguement backing Stern.
I do have a zepp le on order, and if there are field issues I'll be crying for sure 
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:You do? Paid a deposit?
No deposit, but i told my distributor months ago to get me one. He did not confirm zepp is next, but says I have an le waiting for me when available. He did say last month it was soon tho,,,
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:New Stern announcement Wednesday the 18th!
Where did you get info???
Quoted from PinMonk:A technicality. Star Wars Home Comic Edition doesn't count.
Please, nooooooooo more star wars
Quoted from PinMonk:Unfortunately...yessssss. Another "the pin" machine no one wants. At least the art will be cooler than the last Star Wars:The Pin.
I will say that I'm interested in knowing what the coil temps on Zep are after an hour of play. It's the only thing I'm looking forward to learning about it, pretty much.
Coil Temps? Why?
Quoted from PinMonk:Because now that I've realized that all the Spike2 I've tested (and Spooky) have problems with flipper fade to some degree after long play sessions of an hour or more I'm kind of obsessed with gathering temp data for all the Spike machines to see which are better and which are worse so I can make an accurate chart for people considering buying the flipper coil cooling kit that eliminates the fade problem completely. It looks like the preliminary chart here:
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This is really just the beginning of this. It raises more questions than it answers, like "Why is Star Wars pretty much fade-free, while Stranger Things has severe fade over time?" I THINK it's because Star Wars has microbreaks built into the action to give the flippers a little rest all the time, and the playfield is more open compared to Stranger Things, but that doesn't account for Avengers, which has a very open playfield, but is almost as bad as Stranger Things over time (though it takes longer to get there). Lots of stuff to understand about this, but for now the flipper cooling kits fix the problem completely.
Nice chart. Good info to know. Thx
I have ehoh, bksor prem and a temp gauge. Are you just shooting the flipper coils? I can do that when I have time if needed
Quoted from mrclean:OK I'm getting pretty excited about these hints...
"Communication Breakdown": Marty on the phone [quoted image]
"Dazed and Confused": Marty McFly hit by Lorraine's dad [quoted image]
"Stairway to Heaven" : Marty hides behind the stairway avoiding the principle [quoted image]
"When the Levee breaks" : In 2015 Marty while hover boarding falls into the water [quoted image]
"Your Time is Gonna Come" Time & lots of clocks in this movie especially the clock tower.[quoted image]
"Going to California" California License plate [quoted image]
"Over The Hills & Far Away" Town takes place in Hill Valley and they travel far away in back to the future [quoted image]
"Fool in The Rain" : Doc knows it's about to stop raining insists Marty McFly to stay in the Deloreon knowing when the rain will precisely stop [quoted image]
"Rock & Roll" Marty Needs to play some Chuck Berry Rock & Roll to save his future [quoted image]
"Your Time is Gonna Come" Marty warns Doc about his future to prevent a catastrophe [quoted image]
I'm guessing it's Back To The Future ?!
If you're right, im soooooo bummed. That would be the ultimate switcheroo 
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Quoted from SLCpunk2113:I think most of these complaints come from people are afraid to pull the glass. I’ve got a lot of pins with a lot of miles on them and they all take work. Either that or flukes. I’ve never had a cabinet split or a mech fall apart on its own. Playfield issues I think is the only complaint that holds any water. There’s got to be a better clear coat solution.
Exactly. Seems like every time I flip up field I can find a screw or post to tighten. Routine maintenance will keep these running for a long time. I've had 8 sterns, no cab splits, no field issues. Had 1 node board on maiden go bad, and quick replacement. I did have to make a new sd card today for ehoh, but big deal. I still think its a great product
Quoted from frankmac:LZ LE sounds cool.. What art work would this pin have on it?
All the great looking psychedelic rock n roll posters from the 70s would be cool.
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:On that really pretty game that gets boring after 2 plays
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:On that really pretty game that gets boring after 2 plays
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Did it rhyme with ... hack new da vuture?
I just hope it rhymes with Led Zeppelin
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Quoted from Diamond:Here’s where I’m at right now. Couple months ago in September. I ran into a friend of mine out here in the Chicagoland area. We got to talking. Later that day I realized that an epic music pin was going to be released from Stern in late fall best scenario. But barring any covid issues with parts vendors the pin was coming out hell or high water in December. My contact knew I’m only interested in music pins. The name of the pin was Zeppelin. The next day I listed my Aerosmith pro for sale. Sold it instantly. There has been a an empty space in my lineup since that day. I know a few stern distributors here in the area. I’m sure one of them will hook me up with an early order. That space is going to be filled with a zeppelin LE very soon in the next few weeks.
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Sold maiden prem few months ago for same reason!
I didn't either, other than zeppelin coming, hopefully, I just wasn't a fan of the music. Great game tho. Do kinda miss it
Quoted from JonCrox:So what was the cryptic hint please and was it correct?
I think he mention he didn't get a "whole Lotta love" a few times
I can't imagine how they can implement stairway, but cant imagine how they cannot include. Nothing else matters didn't make met either , so ballads appear hard for pins
Quoted from Vino:I’ll happily poop in my adult diaper if Zeppelin is announced. That artwork better be next level.
I’m in!
Well, have u checked your diaper today?
Just wouldn't be pinside without all the haters. Us old guys get a pin once in awhile too , I have no interest in tmnt or avengers. But I don't trash them.
I didn't point to anyone, just saying. The games I don't like were all still good players, but theme is as important to me as play. But I'm old, not a tourney player. So I do get it.
Typically tho, music pins don't vend very good anyways right? At least the few people I know who put on location tell me
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:Picked up Stranger Things pro for the family for Christmas. I have not watched the show but enjoyed the crap out of playing it. Was going to get AFM but the family and I prefer ST. It’s just fun imo. Have a deposit down for EHOH but may transfer it to Zep if it’s good. Still worried about their music transitioning to a pin. AC/DC is hard rocking but not sure Zeppelin is enough for a pin. Aerosmith was meh also music wise for me. Big fan of Zeppelin also, but have to be honest and not just a fan boy.
While I am anxious to get zepp, it would be hard for me to drop ehoh to do so. Its such a great game. You will prob get lz before ehoh tho
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:I wasn’t impressed at release...waited a year and the code and rules became immensely deep thanks to Lyman. I honestly think it’s one of the best fan layout pins ever made. I prefer it over MM and AFM. Total knock out for Stern.
I did same. Was so disappointed on release. I think it has a couple of good updates still to come
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:Looking into Stern’s music library future .... Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd have got to top the list. After that point, I am sure pinball machines will cease to be physically manufactured, in favor of 5-dimensional, virtual pinball headsets (weighing 10 oz and costing $10k, these babies are worth their weight in rare gems. And yes, guaranteed to leave you with a happy ending).
I am withholding Hendrix from this list because I’d strongly prefer Sir Eric/Slash @ JJP give that one a go. Wanna have the whole psychedelic experience and taste the 60’s. ::lit_BIC:
Can you imagine how great a jimi pin would be? So many ways to incorporate his stylings and the era. I'd prefer a stern but would buy no matter who made
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Seems like stern has about 2 yrs between music pins tho, isn't that about right? I could be wrong,,,
1 month later
Anyone see the stern trailer of sam neill from jurassic park holding door against pee wee Herman? I hope that means they are keeping him out of pinball
2 weeks later
Looks like kiss colors. Maybe its Paul Stanley's new project, Soul Station. Man I hope not, that is some bad music, and botox has not been kind to him 
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:Monthly reminder... The Next Stern Pin is not due out until the end of April... statistically speaking at least.
But, any info on when the next puzzle will be released?
I'm trying figure what all these puzzles have to do with tron vault, cuz its next. And I'd rather have gzilla 
2 weeks later
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:You’re missing the point. You claimed that all modern Sterns are getting worse and worse yet you havnt played more than HALF of them. So...you can’t even form that “opinion” now can you? Oh and for the record ( because I can tell that you are confused) I agreed with you that LZ sucks.
You're just so wrong about zeppelin. Have you played a prem or LE? Code is coming along great too, and with pinwoofer setup, sounds better than any pin I've owned. The music is perfect for pinball.
2 weeks later
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:It would have been in keeping with Stern's recent trolling to have released a new game while pinside was down
What have they been trolling?
All in good fun and it keeps us guessing. I thought it was hilarious how people were reading into it , as I'm guessing that was their idea. Hoping for Godzilla or bttf, no tron or mandolorian in our house
Quoted from Guinnesstime:It’s true LEs are easiest to move except maybe Zep or Stranger Things, but hey even KISS became a hot commodity so you never know. Just takes a while.
Says the guy with a wrestlemania le
Quoted from Guinnesstime:It’s funny because I was selling it tomorrow but my family said no last minute. I felt bad to back out but family first. Has a lot of nostalgia for us. Sometimes it’s the memories that win out. Regardless, that pin is fun as hell. It’s different and the layout is made to match the theme, unlike Zep which honestly could be any pin if you change the music and art.
I don’t want one, but that’s my point. Not everything is a hit and classic out of the gate, but down the line they may be in demand anyway.
To each his own. If you've played a zepp prem or le with latest code, I bet you'd change your opinion. Very fun pin. Im jus poking fun at ya bud, I've only had 1 or 2 games I really didn't like. Just tired of people crapping on lz, give it a try!
Quoted from Guinnesstime:No worries! I’m sure it’s fun. I’ve burned thru most Ritchies. Zep is a top 3 band for me. But I just wish they put the same effort into it as ACDC. That’s SUCH a killer pin. I miss it but played the hell out of it.
Its been said licensing was a bitch, maybe thats all they were able to do. I have to say , the last 2 updates were better than any other single update to any of the 13 sterns I've owned. Plus with pinwoofer and a klipsch sub, its sounds amazing .. much better game than acdc, which I too owned . And won't again ,,,,,,,, probably haha
Quoted from Kkoss24:What in Gods name is Shitt$ creek ? Anyway for what it’s worth I’m pretty sure MK is next .My theory is the only Godzilla that would throw pinheads in a frenzy would be Toho and that would need to be spaced out away from the new movie .MK just makes sense with the movie plus the subtle puzzle teaser seemed to match the way Stern rolls .If GZ is a Toho then it’s Elwin 4 sho.My name is Kevin and I’m always wrong .
MK?
You think that's really next? Hadn't heard. Hope its gz or bttf. Im headin to nx level this week to pick up a pin, ill ask J
Quoted from PanzerFreak:I'm with ya. The other day I was able to play a TMNT LE, AIQ LE, and LZ LE on location. AIQ was a blast to play with a great layout and a decent number of interactive mechs. TMNT really surprised me and almost came across as a loaded Bally / Williams game, fun layout too. Then I played LZ LE...wow. There's barely anything there. "Electric Magic" means a pop up spinner? It's just dull and too wide open with nothing interacting with the ball in the lower 2/3 of the game. For the price the Zeppelin "toy" should have locked balls and moved on a track diagonally across the playfield like the train in Cactus Canyon.
Was watching a re run of pawn stars Monday, guy was trying to sell the sprts almanac from bttf. Another sign?
3 weeks later
Quoted from RobF:That would be Next Level Pinball?
I can't imagine Jordan would do that. Never has in the past
2 months later
Quoted from Diamond:If mnpinball is correct it sounds like Steve Ritchie will be on the Black Sabbath machine.
Where u hearing this?
Quoted from lockeness:I was at a Chicago White Sox game about ~8 weeks ago, the week Mando was released. Waiting in line with my daughter to get her chicken fingers. There were five people in front of me. Three guys and two kids. Both kids had Stern Pinball Hats on. One of the other guys has some sort of pinball hat on, didn’t recognize what it was. So I look at one of the kids and say “Stern pinball, do you like pinball”. Immediately, his dad looks at me and says, “do you play pinball”. I said I do - I own a few machines. Which machines? So ran through my lineup. He pulls out a Stern business card and hands it to me and says call me and I’ll give you a tour. This is someone who definitely watches this thread with a smile on his face. He then says, the boys were at the factory today. I asked, did you play Mando? What do you think? The kid says “I played Mando, it was fun, but {not gonna tell ya} was so much better”. They all squirmed, I asked a few questions that no one answered. It was pretty funny. I won’t betray the confidence of the chicken finger line at Sox park. Hopefully, I’ll get the factory tour. And look forward to {not gonna tell ya}.
(Not gonna tell ya)= godzilla??
Quoted from beelzeboob:Man...I'm telling you that I can just imagine the epicosity of a ball in the shooter lane with the opening to Spirit of Radio crankin'. Right up there with playing Kashmir on my LZ.
Neil Peart on drums was made for pinball!!
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Lumber prices are up, metal up, copper up, shipping up, labor costs up. Its unreasonable to not expect an increase, whether we like it or not. Im not happy about it, but only choice i have is buy or not buy.
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Quoted from RobT:The advantage is that code will be almost 10% done by then too.
Code is easy . I enjoy gettin in early and watching game progress from its start. Fun to work thru any early issues.
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:Not me. Now distributors jacking up the price and also Stern, no way will I pay $12,000 or more for one. Many Mando LE’s for sale still, and I hope they get stuck with them.
You need a new distributor then. Not all, and I think not many are doing this.
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:Outside of Beatles (which I’d gather Stern has learned their lesson on that title) has been a boutique AND a reskin? I just don’t see it happening (again). A stern studio or Kapow going forward should be an original design. Or Stern is just just braindead.
Idk, id take maiden reskinned as another music pin.
Quoted from frankmac:So Godzilla followed by BTTF?
Rumors i hear is gz then rush. But who knows?
Quoted from zr11990:I loved Aerosmith. It may not be popular but it is fun to play.
Its a decent game. Im just not a fan of their music past the 70s. Lyrics got kinda silly in 80s and 90s
Quoted from screaminr:What about Woodstock the pin .
Grab a couple songs off a few of the artists .
You could have a bad acid mode , opposite flippers and the screen goes all rainbows
Been wanting Woodstock too, but id really like a Jimi Hendrix pin!
Quoted from John_I:I wonder how much Godzilla LEs will be going for? Think Stern will make 1000 this time?
Was told 9500 msrp. If distributors charge more, I won't buy it. I understand a cost increase due to shortage of parts and labor so not concerned with that, but I won't be gouged by them.
Quoted from John_I:I understand. I was referring to the people who are willing to be gouged. Many paid in excess of $12000 for Mando LE whether to dealers or flippers. Something tells me that GZ LE will be the same.
For myself, I am not willing either. I buy LEs because they have the most in them and also usually hold their value the best. Now that you have to lock in on LEs way ahead of time or pay a huge price, I will be sticking to premiums if I buy NIB. The additional advantage to buying Premiums is there is zero FOMO. Premiums come out last and them make them for years if it's a good game.
I guess for me it will come down to artwork. Im sure I can get my le for msrp, even a bit less as in the past. My problem with a premium is its usually 6 months out, and I'm bored of the game by then and ready to move on. But this may be a special game ,so who knows????
I'd prefer they keep the le at a maximum of 750, 500 is even better. Not for resale, but to give a person who wants to have something special. I have no idea how to keep them out of flippers hands tho
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:Looks like those rumours of the price hike being for a reason outside of increasing materials costs were true. All games after Sept 2021 will already have the new app interface but previously purchased titles can buy a add on kit.
Its a cool idea but i dont like where they have implemented it. I want my apron to have art not qr codes. Stick it on the coin door or something.
My thought exactly. On Godzilla le, I'll have to look at a qr code, not artwork?
Quoted from shaub:I don't have a problem, I can quit any time I want!
Me too,,,,,,,, until my next dream theme is made..like Godzilla, rush, Sabbath, bttf , :lol
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Quoted from chuckwurt:Absolute latest. The stern army webinar is then. I bet the distro one is on 9/7. Meaning we see it then.
Will we see a teaser Tuesday? Or full reveal Wednesday?
Quoted from BallyKISS1978:Yes stern please! Go go Godzilla!! Great song by Blue Oyster Cult. If not cleland can add it.
There won't be anymore custom codes im afraid,
Quoted from frankmac:Yes, with crazy lighting!!
Are they using the expression lighting from zepp? Would be cool is they could simulate fire
Quoted from playtwowin:This trailer could have been alot better.
Bet it will keep us talkin all weekend
Quoted from Rodent:Ok - with Godzilla now out of the way, can we get back to getting the new Rush ready for all of us waiting?
R
Ya I know its " the next stern pin " thread, but can we at least see gz before we move on? I'm in for an le so I wanna see what I've got coming
Quoted from beelzeboob:Okay, fine. I'll give you until Tuesday. Then Rush is officially the next Stern pin and we'll be back on topic.
U crack me up buddy!!! I'll prob be in on rush as well, will fit good with LZ.
Quoted from PinFever:6400 old Metallica premium price. game is loaded with gizmo's and gadgets/ Well worth the money \
/ Todays Homepin pro with a coindoor at 6499 Stripped like a Led zep pro or Godzilla pro ... LOL outta your fracking mind . Not allot in it
8200 used to be LE price now just a Premium Coin door home pin... LOL
The prices seem to be of the gouging type .
If godzilla pro doesn't have the same amount of Magnets or gadgets as an old MET pro which was back then about 4600 bucks no way in hell i fork over almost 6500 for it , Never in your wildest dreams STERN ! Never
Cant really compare 2013 prices with today's tho. Lots of things driving prices, cost of goods, new players, and good old fomo.
Quoted from pinmister:Remember the good old days of new releases and the flood of used games at great prices that would hit the secondary market in correspondence with a new release. What happened? Who is selling that cq gem to buy Godzilla? Have not seen the bump in secondary market like we used to
G-G-Godzilla
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Well, since you brought it up, id take that old tftc and rolling stones off your hands, for a well discounted price. 
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:This! Please bring the dmd back. Animations on a dmd are warmer and more entertaining that a cold cheap lcd animations in modern games.
Dmd has personality and it is an art!
Please,,,, no!
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:Is GZ revealed tomorrow?
Dealer meeting at 9am eastern, reveal SHOULD be soon after
Quoted from nicoy3k:My first impression of the art and sound is bad, getting AIQ vibes from this one...
Omg!!
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:I've got an Ultraman on the way. These two would be fun to have sitting next to eachother.
That's as easy as a phone call to fix
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:Has it been confirmed if the price increase is just for this title due to license and online gimmick or is this the new price structure for all future games?
If it is, it is getting a bit ridiculous. I am sorry but if I buy a Kia I don't expect Audi prices, lol.
The cost of building new things has increased, mostly due to the cost of shipping.
Electronics are more expensive too,but, I don’t think there is anything inside a pinball machine that justifies the jump in price we just saw, especially in a spike II system and if the electronics/chips used cost more, how much more? Certainly not $1000 more.
The online gimmick, could not care less for a home environment, I simply don't care for anything online on a pinball and this should be optional and not forced on all games.
I would take a shaker over the online gimmick any day.
The game looks cool though. I want to see it play but looks like a fun game.
So youre comparing stern to a kia? Who is the Audi?
Quoted from thechakapakuni:I hope Stern does Rush next. I need a theme that I’ll never buy cuz I need to save money for when then somebody releases Sabbath
But will you promise to stay out of the rush threads?
Quoted from frankmac:Going to start watching this this weekend.. Any good?
Its a great show. No drama like other reality based TV. Well, very little drama.
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Quoted from PinMonk:I think we're looking at this all wrong.
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Please,,,, NO!
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Quoted from Ty-Arnold:You don't like Bond or BTTF? What the hell do you want?
Hendrix and Sabbath, me anyways
Quoted from mbrave77:So whats the best way to get on an LE list with a distributor. I keep missing out on LEs and its starting to get to me. Ive bought like 9 pins over last 18 months(all premiums) and still cant crack the list. Is it about the volume of purchasing you do with your distrib, or about having your name on a possible LE list 3 years before that theme comes out?
Have you bought all 9 from same distributor or from different ones each time trying to find a bargain? I have bought all my new from same guy over a 4 year period except gnr, which kind of fell my way cheaply thru a friend. You need to build a relationship in order to get benefits.
Quoted from Ty-Arnold:I have purchased 4 through the same distributor in 2 years. I get no special treatment or benefits as you say, you all are kissing ass for no reason.
Far from it. I've never had to pay msrp until gz either , which is good.
Quoted from crujones4life:All this talk of LEs and I'm just happy to be able to swing a Pro!
I hope you get your bttf!
Quoted from Ty-Arnold:You think your dealer thinks your special? They just want your money.
What's your problem? I only said I've bought from same guy because he's the closest to me. So far, any le I wanted, which is only 2, I've been able to get. Maybe just lucky because we arent in a huge area. Of course he wants my money.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Jurassic Park and EHOH came out a month apart. Both games are killer.
I see no reason why stern takes their foot off the throttle, hoping it's a killer game , no matter what the theme is.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Don't know why you think this. By my count, Stern has only released three "weak" titles in the past several years that I can think of: WWE, Mustang, and Munsters (and even that is debatable). I'm not a fan of many of the themes that they've put out, but I can't deny that they're really fun, and SUPER fun for the people who are into the theme.
I think we are both hoping for rush?
Quoted from beelzeboob:Yes. But already, Pinsiders who aren't into the theme are hinting that it will be a disappointment without having seen anything yet. And they'll trash it just because they don't like Rush...just like they did with Zeppelin, and without ever having played it in a home setting. I'm sure I'll be happy with it!
Yup, same old story. With borg on design it should be great. And still hoping sheats did initial code, but have no idea if he did .
Quoted from pinmister:So I was giving Stern shit about how they are pushing their limits and pissing off a lot of people/employees/distributors with the growing backorders and Gary stated it is a necessary evil because of license agreement timelines, etc. They have to do or they will lose the rights?
I had a thought what if after Rush-into 2022 Stern takes a break and plays catch up. Put the future cornerstones on hold until things get caught up? If they wanted to do a quick cash grab in-between to cover operating cost they could do a 300 run of KISS Pro and a 300 run of Ghostbusters(special purple edition?) Lots of ways to make money while catching up and not pissing off your customer base. Just a thought?
How bout some vaults for 2022+ BTTF and I am all good
Or they piss off the customer base waiting for all the rumored releases? I think its a hard balance right now of producing scheduled titles and keeping up with demand of existing titles. No one could of predicted what the world is going thru right now. Crazy times we are seein, and I don't see it ending in the near future.
Quoted from pinmister:I feel for some pinheads-some people keep getting kicked down the road-especially with Mando. I think it is unprofessional and it puts distributors in an awkward position. Get ahead of it already and quit putting out new titles until you do imo. If I wanted to wait a year for a game I would buy from Spooky(Oh snap-I just did waiting for Halloween is agonizing)
Hey, I'm not arguing with you. I have no clue on sterns strategy, but as consumers we are being force fed to wait for everything we want now, and not just in pinball. Not really sure how they will handle it. After picking up gz and gnr 10 days apart, I hope rush is pushed back a bit. But I don't believe it will be.
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Quoted from pinmister:What is great about Pinside is you can agree to disagree
-GNR is a turd or box of lights with Fat Axl
-Led Zeppelin is a masterpiece and Steve Ritchie's Swan song from Stern-Legendary
People keep saying Stern will not do vaults unless they are Spike? How hard can it be to source old boards and configure the line? Lots of money to be had for vaults. You know what I like about vaults? They help keep prices relative and on earth, when Iron Man vault dropped so did the overpriced Iron Man's. I want a KISS but I really think they are extremely overpriced-need to do a vault asap.
I had a kiss. Over rated. And I love the theme. But was easy to sell
Quoted from adamsebas:BTTF is a very old man lame title!
Yep, and this old man is very happy!
Quoted from Pincrazy:Celebrated 50 during the Sturgis Rally this year; not feeling old! If you were at Buffalo Chip, you’d understand. This “old” man can’t wait for the BTTF release on my 51st in 2022.
51st? Ha, yr still a kid!! 62 in june. Still flippin
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Quoted from mnpinball:Mike Zeck art Era on Punisher is the best !
What is your latest production prediction, please?
Quoted from swampshroom:Let's get this thread back on track!!
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Screenshot_20211207-114232_Samsung Internet (resized).jpgQuoted from frankmac:Who is on the art work for Rush? Probably not ZY.
Dirty Donny would be great
Quoted from John-Floyd:Just saw my first FB post from a distributor and RUSH is definitely happening as it shows a pic of Geddy. Very excited for this one.
Where, where?
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Quoted from mpdpvdpin:No one is better than Mercury, that’s for sure. I just really hate Sammy Hagar. That’s the real issue here haha
You hate Sammy? Montrose is a great band, but I was 14 when their first album came out, so lots of memories . Bad motor scooter was the first song he wrote.
Quoted from Billygrippo:Hahaha! Good shit!
I remember a guy interviewing him, said….
Lemmy asked him if he wanted a drink? Dude said sure, so Lemmy pulls out a fifth, hands it to him and then pulled out another fifth for himself!
I think realistically it’s bond next. Everything seems to be pointing to it over bttf. Hope they come out with bttf as well.
Thought venom was next?
Quoted from Mattyk:Ozzy or Black Sabbath would break records
Hendrix for the win
But, I'm in on Sabbath day 1 if announced
Edit: if I want Sabbath nx year, I need to get on list now 
not day 1
I think 1 music pin a year is perfectly fine. Personally, I'm tired of the constant Marvel pins, but I get why Stern keeps making and selling out of everything. We should all be happy we have so many choices. Just think if stern was jjp, American, spooky , or cgc. 1 game every 2 to 3 years.
Quoted from J85M:Exactly there’s enough choice mostly thanks to Stern to have a music pin release and Marvel/DC/Comic Book release every year.
You obviously have no interest in Marvel pins but those are often a must buy for my house, thanks to stern there’s often something for everyone, I’m just glad I don’t want every title they release every year I’d be bankrupt
No, marvel is fine, I am considering venom and really want a spider-man. Also had deadpool.
Quoted from J85M:I’m super excited for Venom and I would take a No Way Home Spider-Man with all the villains. I’ve had a deadpool on order since March but no idea when that will show up.
I Sold my deadpool to a buddy with the thought of buying back when he was done, but in today's market I told him to make the profit, which he did in 1 hour , but I'll find one again if really get the urge. Glad I only have room for 7,
Quoted from Prince66cali:Not trying to be down on rush but look at the difference in cool factor.
I agree, rush is much cooler.
Quoted from Prince66cali:Haha. Not at all.
Hey, just havin fun, no offense intended, but Rush is gonna be great
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:Elwins earlier games are better than the last two imo. Othe designers most definitely have a chance. Looking forward to Dangers first cornerstone.
Will it be Sabbath?
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:No, unfortunately not. Jacks first cornerstone theme is Foo Fighters. I do hope that Elwin gets Sabbath but I also hope that they hire a new artist/graphic designer because I do not want to see what Yeti, Johnny Crap or Dirty Donny does with that license. They should hire Edmiston for Sabbath. The guy who did Halloween for Spooky.
Well, I'm hearing Sabbath is next up as music pin, and JD did reference it in his stream, so I still have high hopes.
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Quoted from Kkoss24:Sloth love Chunk !!!! Fing Goonies is a dream and a layup for a designer .I have no guesses to what’s next but I’m starting to believe the JD/FF rumors .Jack is the perfect designer to continue the bridge to the younger crowd with a Foo Fighters pin !! For sure music for pinball
Noooooo, Sabbath first then ff. Hoping
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Quoted from John_I:Too early for another Elwin, but maybe a re theme of Iron Maiden as Ozzie or Black Sabbath? One can only hope.
I would love that, maiden is a great game, I just don't like their music. Only reason I sold
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:I’ve been slowly divorcing myself from Stern. They are responsible for one good game a year and that’s the one I’ll buy. They’ve definitely been cranking out slop and not taking chances on cool themes or new ideas.
You mean good games, like Halloween?
Quoted from Kkoss24:Just a thought for the future .It’s obvious pinball needs to continue building bridges joining age groups to keep pushing forward .That being said ,please give me a 90s rock pin with Korn , Limp Bizkit ,Rage Against the Machine and Alice in Chains .There’s no denying this music was born to be in a pin .There’s other stand alone band’s I would rather see but This group would age you while playing .Imagine Freak on a Leash, Break Stuff , Bulls on Parade , and Again Multiballs ! Pure adrenaline ! Please give it some thought Stern $$$
Give me a Beavis and Butthead pin with all that music in it.
Quoted from mpdpvdpin:I would really love an AKIRA pin. Possibly the most epic anime film of all time imo.
I dont know wtf you guys are talking about 
, but I'm an old dude , dad rocker
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Quoted from PinMonk:I'm all for innovation. This isn't it. It's a kludge.
Lots of "innovations" that are really just novelties die. Banana flippers. Remember those?
[quoted image]Almost never. You're inventing problem frequency for your bad solution crusade to fix. The inconvenience of the multi-button per side to control other flippers solution is FAR worse than the rare chance of what you describe.
And let's flip that and use the instance of the one where you DO want to do that to make a designed shot, like GnR. So I have to splay my fingers to another button and hold that to raise a flipper while then tapping another flipper button with the same hand to activate the lower flipper and make that backhand ricochet shot? How is that BETTER? No thanks.
Now there's a pin that could be fun,, Rocky Horror
Quoted from LOTR_breath:I remember not too many years ago, many were convinced that it was the next pin from Spooky. Then crickets. I think the music would be awesome and the game could be a lot of fun!
I remember seeing for the first time in 1976, was 16 yrs old. College was showing it and didn't i.d. anyone. The audience participation was crazy!. I had no idea at the time, we were still a small redneck town , most of the students were from bigger cities so know all the props to bring.
Quoted from Jamesays:Two people i know went to a xxx movie theater and brought water pistols filled with cooking oil.only two people were amused.
Who went with you?
Quoted from mbrave77:they said a few NEWS items. Not new items. So it could be anything. Maybe toppers and a teaser...
Code updates on gz, rush and ehoh today
Quoted from JSC:You speculating or know this? That doesn’t really seem like news worthy of a hype tweet to me.
It's published and available
Quoted from yancy:GZ update is pretty huge. Only one I checked, can't speak to the other games.
Rush has some good updates, even ehoh has a few. But yes, mostly ic stuff I'll never use.
Quoted from frankmac:Great thinking. I believe the DeLorean was made out of stainless steel.
You left out ozzy colors 
Quoted from Roostking:What an iconic photo.
Make an iconic pin. I'd prob be done buying if we get ozzy/ sabbath,,, unless someone makes a Jimi pin
Quoted from Saltimbanco:Let's pause for a moment and reflect on just how beautiful a pinball line is..! Ok, back to the craziness!
I'm pausing hoping it's ozzy pin next!!!
Quoted from crujones4life:We've "known" Venom was coming for several months now. How often does that happen...like almost never. My guess is Venom is code for Cobra Kai. Final Answer.
What do you guys think is next (not what you want)? One answer. Let's see who gets it right.
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Venom, hopefully with ozzy music
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Quoted from kool1:It certainly could have been better BUT it's truly a great flowing pin if you can make the shots and the music is perfect for pinball!
Agreed, but Rush music IS perfect for pinball. Far Cry might be the best multiball music ever.
Quoted from crujones4life:I was born in 78 if it helps...[quoted image]
Youngster, I graduated high school in 78!
Quoted from SLCpunk2113:Wait until you realize kids born in the year 2001 are legally drinking a bars.
Wait until you see these show up, they are called grandkids!! Im soooo old
20220813_120955 (resized).jpg20220813_120952 (resized).jpgQuoted from Only_Pinball:Not quite there yet but not far off. I hope your getting them flipping young!
Ya they love pinball, ehoh is their fav.
Quoted from Prince66cali:Venom will sell about as well as rush did. Now Voltron, thats $$$$$.
Talking to my distributor, rush far exceeded his and sterns expectations.
Quoted from kool1:Dads pay Stern's bills
Would love a U2, FF, Eminem or Prince pin though!
But us granddads still want Ozzy and Jimi!
Quoted from Kkoss24:That’s a Chicago Bears T. I buy one every year with the same results although somethings in the air finally
Hey, bears kicking hawks azz right now
Quoted from Wiggles:Guys! My dad works at Nintendo and he said it's going to be Bond!
I read on pinside today, it's definitely Bond
Quoted from manadams:Hmmm...Let's look at their latest release Rush with multiple scoop protector revisions that led to an idiot sandwich as the final one, inner loop switch that doesn't register half the time and node boards smoking on premium/LE's. Big kid on the block shouldn't be having these issues but here we are.
Not on all rush games, no node board issues here, ninja scoop is cheap easy fix, inner loop was simple fix too. Any product, any manufacturer, all are having issues. Let's get back to next stern release, which I hope is ozzy. But won't be, hoping it's venom, now sounding unlikely.
Quoted from crujones4life:For now on I pledge to respond to each and every post that mentions Spooky pinball with a BTTF pic. You are welcome.
Spooky!!
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I'd give ya 5 upvotes if I could!! Hang in there bud, I'm rooting for ya!
Quoted from John_I:Sorry, don't hold your breath. Friday teaser followed by Tuesday reveal. No teaser on Friday means no reveal this Tuesday. So we can all just quit posting until Friday
Or , October
Quoted from ExSquid:How many 30-60 year old's are going to buy a Pokemon machine? ...Wait DONT answer that, I don't want to know.
I'm 62, no Pokémon here
Quoted from crujones4life:The only pin I would consider purchasing besides BTTF (based on rumored titles) is Cobra Kai. Venom, Bond, Jaws, He-Man are an easy pass for me. After I get my BTTF, the question is what theme will I post daily pictures of next?
Jimi Hendrix pics?
Maybe I missed it, but has stern said they are releasing in August, or was it just mentioned on a podcast? I think we won't see a new game until Oct
Quoted from Grantman:Yes, this is asked every 2 pages of this thread. They released a statement on 2/23/2022 saying that there would only be 2 cornerstones this year, Rush and one in August. If you want to know what a cornerstone is, search this thread.
Thx for your kind reply, now I don't have to search
Quoted from crujones4life:Zero chance.
Screenshot_20220831-201755_Google (resized).jpgQuoted from frankmac:If it is a Elwin jaws I would take it with a picture of Keith coming out of the water!
I hope that's an add on I can opt out of
Quoted from Pin_Fandango:Daniel Craig first. Without a doubt the best Bond.
Cmon, Bond IS Sean Connery, but I'm old
Quoted from mbl1116:I’d prefer no teaser at all. Just announce the date of the next release, and give the title along with the rest of the reveal. All the teaser does is ramp up the FOMO factor x1000 to the point where everyone starts throwing deposits around to anyone willing to take it, for fear of ending up on a year-long Godzilla-esque waitlist.
I think the only people a teaser benefits are those distributors who take the non-refundable deposits
I'm not a distributor or a flipper. Just an old guy who loves pinball. To me the teasers and waiting are great fun, and I enjoy the anticipation. I'll be awake Tuesday at 5am , checking pinside for those pics and videos
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To be fair, the le does cost more to make. Mirrored backglass, shaker, art blades, better ( supposedly) speakers, a few more playfield objects, powdercoat, side armor, invisiglass and on last 2 games, foil cabinet art.
Quoted from pinmister:My wife told me yesterday that I live too much in the past and am not in touch with today's high inflation market. I think she is correct and I do tend to live in the past-I can't ever seem to grasp where we are today.
My wife's been telling me that for years and I should know better, as a business owner. This year alone, my fuel has tripled in cost, baling twine up 100%, fertilizer up 100%, parts in general up at least 50%, and labor has risen 25%. So of course I have to have more money for my product or I won't survive financially. So,, I retired
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Quoted from John_I:Except Hendrix (with ZY artwork).
That's my ultimate theme, but I've never heard even a rumor, so Sabbath seems more likely. Dirty Donny would nail this one.
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Quoted from Saltimbanco:I'm good with that! Just what Stern would need to shake things up after a very underwhelming Bond, imo. Tron VE would probably sit nicely between the next two cornerstones!
How is bond underwhelming? Maybe the reveal was, but no way to say the game is.
Quoted from Saltimbanco:I did say 'imo'. Bond is the quintessential license, I was expecting to be floored. I was not. I will hopefully get a chance to play it one day, than my impression may change!
I'm not arguing, just wonder what you saw wrong. Code is so poor/early now, it's hard for me to imagine how it will finish. Based on deadpool and batman 66, I'm hoping for the same final results.
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Quoted from dboeren:Just please no more rock band pins, I'm so sick of these.
Men in Black perhaps? HP Lovecraft? I think you could get some killer modes out of a Lovecraft pin.
Ya, after Sabbath, Hendrix and VH, no more rock pins
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Quoted from Jaytech10:Jack Danger is probably doing the Ozzy license as his first corner stone. And next Elwin cornerstone machine is either 2nd or 3rd release next year.
Hope this is true, where did you hear this? On ozzy
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Quoted from SLCpunk2113:Boomers triggered by colors but it’s everyone else who’s too sensitive…
Heyyyyy, I'm a Boomer and I absolutely love the look of the FF pin. When I saw the green powdercoat I was in, it plays off the artwork so well. Only thing I'd change about the game is the wait time
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Quoted from frankmac:Would anyone be into a Hendrix's pin.
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Hendrix would open my checkbook, my dream pin for sure!
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Quoted from RonSS:The chances of that are seeing a rainbow, in the dark, on a silver mountain.
How bout Black Sabbath, with both? Never happen, but its fun to dream
Quoted from Prince66cali:Their first #1 album was with Hagar.
Best music was with DLR tho
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Quoted from beelzeboob:Call me a sucker, then. I'm getting one and don't care about anniversary editions. I'll be enjoying a game for 18 months while others wait for something that may or may not come, and may or may not be better.
Me too, sucker 
Quoted from Rizmo:Do you all prefer a shooter rod, button or a gun (the shadow) to launch the ball
Shooter, 100%
Quoted from Rizmo:You wonder why Stern, JJP, Spooky and others didn’t get the license. I heard it’s because for BTTF they can’t use the characters likenesses so no Michael J Fox, Christopher Lloyd, Thomas Wilson. Pretty much what the pin from the 80s used. Characters that wore the same cloths and had same characteristics but def not them. How many people would buy a BTTF pin if it didn’t have them? It would be like what they did with JP have none of the characters all generic stuff
Probably the same amount that bought Jurassic Park I guess. 
Quoted from beelzeboob:There are people with pictures. They're not sharing outside of physically showing it to people on their phone. They don't want to burn their "in" with Stern--they've been much better with the leaks lately.
I won't tell anyone, just show em.
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Quoted from blueberryjohnson:Those rushing to be disappointed: this is Elwin. Game will be great.
Gonna be a lot of people doin a 180 after we see the trailer,,,
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Quoted from vikingerik:Jaws Pro doesn't have verticality because the vertical space is used for the upper playfield on the Premium.
I agree that Jaws feels... ordinary... compared to the other Elwins. It's fine, but what it's missing is any sense of progressive building like the other Elwins (Eddie cards, dino perks, gem powers, GZ powerups and the destruction jackpot.) The only progression in it currently is the bounties, and to a small extent the beach closure values. I assume this will come with the activatable gear that currently doesn't do anything.
Hopefully, those will come with code progression. GZ literally added all those features as code matured. But you're right, as of now , it's missing out. LE ordered, so hopefully it happens.
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