It's a marketing gimmick IMO.

You didn't miss anything. Atari pins sucked overall. They just felt bad to play - there was SO MUCH empty space in them. Yuck.

Nasty exposed metal that on Bond has caused some damage to balls and could accelerate playfield wear.

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Looks like those angles are covered up my the newton ball. I wouldn't think it could hit.

Looks like you can get the ball and the spinner on the same shot, ala iron maiden.

Right semi orbit also resembles that left spinner on iron maiden.

And last both upper and left orbit resemble iron maiden.

Bottom ramp is similar to dead pool’s

Love it! Super fast

Iron maiden is my all tome time favorite so I am on board with this awesome layout!

Good deal. Game looks like it will be a blast to shoot! Congrats Jack!!

Go play GNR.

Next RATM !

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I knew what you meant,
2 hours with no post after 109 posts in 24 hours ...needed to break the glass and grab the defib.

Not like they have any actual rebellious fans left.

Against the PB machine...

I would love to see them retheme and slightly change Aerosmith to RATM.
Classic boomer ownage.

Please
Yes

Sounds like it might hurt, but to each their own

I would love to see them retheme and slightly change Aerosmith to RATM.
God forbid a locked ball

My god, the horror!

And stop playing immediately.

Rage Against the 10k Pinball Machine!

They would though. They sold out long ago. Not much rage left in the tank.

Jack said his inspiration came from Dan Langlois with his 1987 Bally Heavy Metal Meltdown design

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No to Rage Against The Machine

Yeah, ok to each his own flavor. I'd prefer sold out RATM over wizard of oz

Agree totally.

I watched the videos on Foo and want to know why there are so many more features with still a ton of great shots and why Maiden is so plain with only great shots. Still wish Maiden had more in it like I said in the past, sure it’s pure fun to play but Maiden is missing items and only great shots. Makes me not want a Maiden if can only have or choose a one pin collection (yes in big collection) as was seriously thinking as my one new pin recently. Great job Stern packing the Foo game with stuff now continue to do it on all games. Wish I was at least some kind of foo music fan and will wait for the next heavy metal rock n roll one. Still will enjoy playing the Foo on location and looks very fun, fast and with flow to play.

Probably even the Premium is fast, I think if you don't flip on the upper playfield, it isn't noticeable slower as the Pro like some other premiums before, it's a shame the death save post isn't on the pro, otherwise definitely the pro. Now doubting to buy a premium, but with the prices these days it ain't much fun...
over 9k euro for a pro, and over 12k euro for a premium...
The LE looks sick, but at 17k, no thanks

Premium prices definitely making me choke a bit. Im going to watch pro game play and see if I'd be happy with that. For Bond the pro was definitely OK, here I'm not sure yet.

Stern has done it again with a combination of assets to create a great looking machine. Jack has come up with a unique playfield that is jam packed. The bright vivid colors make this game stand out and the art represents the theme well. Foo Fighters sell out stadiums and have a good following and should bring new blood into this growing hobby. Overall it looks like it will be a good machine for Stern. As much as I want to like every game Stern puts out the theme or layout usually have me taking a pass and sitting on the sidelines. This is a pass for me mainly for theme disconnect. Music pins are extremely subjective and usually bring out the most polar posting in regards to opinions. You either like the band-or you don't. Some people can buy without caring about music but I am not one of those. For those that like FOO-this looks like an interesting machine.

It looks like Jack incorporated aspects of Elwin ramps, Woz munchkin playfield, and a Scooby Doo type figure for main bash toy. Lots of elements from other games all thrown in to a jam packed machine. One of my concerns is how well the flow will be with tight shots and will the upper be a novelty? Uppers are hit or miss in terms of fun factor(right now I would lean towards Pro-just for extra ramp). I do like the risk reward side targets above outlanes but I am scratching my head at the death save pop up post? Yes it is something different but do you really think the average player is going to have a clue what it does and how to properly execute? You have to lift up flipper and anticipate timing-good luck for average joe. In my opinion it would have been better without the gimmick and just go back to the old school kickback(physical-not shooter lane bs).

The colors are a little overboard on this one and I can taste the rainbow. I asked the wife what she thought-her reply-'Looks a little too busy and sometimes less is more(it was almost like she reads pinside-deja vu). Overall it looks decent but I am not interested due to theme. If I were to buy I would probably go Pro because I really like the extra ramp(flow) and not a fan of the expression lighting. I have them on Led Zeppelin and they are OK but the rainbow show has worn off for me. I personally wish they would be an aftermarket addition for those that choose to put them on. I also do not care for the rainbow show lights JJP is putting out and I find them to be more of a distraction while playing. I do not see how people care for rainbow lights shining upwards in your face while trying to see the playfield to play pinball(again make them an aftermarket option). I want to congratulate Jack on what looks like a great machine for Stern-Kudos

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I am done-done-and onto the next one

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I think the reason that Stern is putting more in the games currently is that they are charging considerably more than they were when Maiden came out so the bill of materials is higher. That's why games like Godzilla have more in them than games like Maiden, JP or Star Wars. Premium prices are like $2200 higher and Pros are like $1400 higher. When Stern runs older games like Maiden they are charging the new much higher price without giving you anything extra besides Insider Connect. It's nice that Stern is packing their games with more features now, but we are definitely paying for it.

No. They are still riding on inflated prices that were justified initially by Covid (and the issues around supply chain and workforce not willing to work).

These 2 issues now solved around the globe, mostly, Stern continues to ride this fake inflated price of over 20% because they figured they can.

It really does not matter if it lasts or not. They have a formula that know works at $6k usd so lots of time to backtrack if tbey need to but they won’t unless a much more serious financial crisis arises.
Time will tell. This is a luxury item now or a business one (designed to make money).

Not happy with how Stern continues to gauge. I can only buy a new game if I sell one.

Stern pro’s have more stuff in them these days. If one can get 95% of the experience, spend less and bring that pin home, it is a homerun. Sometimes offering extra flippers, additional playfield, additional mode, splashy technology or impressive trim might make upgrading to premium model a good idea. But offering extras doesn’t result in an automatic upgrade. It also must be worth it and that is a personal choice. Play both models and trust your gut to make the choice. There were twenty two Stern releases in the past 11 years and I placed half under premium model, leaving half listed under pro model.

Pro’s
Aerosmith
Guardians of the Galaxy
Beatles
Stranger Things
TMNT
Star Wars
Led Zeppelin
Iron Maiden
Deadpool
Mandalorean
James Bond
Foo Fighters

Premium’s
AC/DC
Ghostbusters
Metallica
Batman 66
Star Trek
BKSOR
Munsters
Elvira’s House of Horrors
Avenger’s Infinity Quest
Jurassic Park
Godzilla
Rush

I'm dense. I read the post 3 times and came up just as confused each time.
What's your criteria for placing a title in that pro column vs. Premium?
Thx

Next Cornerstone Stern pin due out around 11 July 2023!

Stern delivered Foo Fighters almost 4 weeks behind the predicted time (28 February vs 30 January).This only counts Pro/Premium/Le pins. I have no idea what the next cornerstone pin will be, but most likely guess is Venom as of today (3/1/2023)
Math below.

Star Wars 5/31/2017 (147 days after Aerosmith, the first cornerstone Spike 2
Guardians of the Galaxy 11/2/2017 (156 days after Star Wars)
Iron Maiden 3/25/2018 (144 days after Guardians of the Galaxy)
Dead Pool 8/3/2018 (131 days after Iron Maiden)
Munsters 1/12/2019 (162 days after Deadpool)
Black Knight SOR 3/25/2019 (72 days after Munsters)
Jurassic Park 7/26/2019 (122 days after BK SOR)
Stranger Things: 12/23/2019 (150 days after Jurassic Park)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 5/27/2020 (155 days after Stranger Things)
Avengers Infinity War: 9/2/2020 (98 Days after Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
Led Zeppelin: 12/15/2020 (104 days after AIQ)
The Mandalorian: 5/11/2021 (147 days after Led Zeppelin)
Godzilla: 9/14/2021 (126 days after The Mandalorian)
Rush: 1/4/2021 (112 days after Godzilla).
Skipped release (Doesn’t count… publically announced Skip from Stern).
Bond: 9/22/2022 ( 261 days… after Rush… counting as 130 (261/2) due to skip.
Foo Fighters: 2/28/2022 (160 days… after Bond).
The average time between cornerstone releases is now 132 days.

Next Stern Pin is due on or about 11 July 2023.

*Note that only “cornerstone” games with a Pro/Premium/LE pricing model are included for the purpose of this exercise.

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Thanks for keeping track of this but your estimates are not going to hold up since Stern already said only 2 cornerstones again in 2023. However, I'm pretty confident that we are going to see "something else" in addition to the 2 cornerstones this year.

What is your estimate for the next boutique game?

I do agree with you that Deadpool the pro is all you need. I do like the art package on FF pro better. I just need to play them but I do think the pro will be all you need. Unless you really want that upper play field. Im sure someone will make that "bash toy alien" here

$2700 price difference leaves plenty to buy a couple of molded toys for sure.

Extra flipper, upper pf (meh), magnet under toy, purple toy purple van and last, save post... (too bad the post was not in the pro).
I am trying really hard to justify the Premium, I like how it looks...
Translate on pro is nicer, head decals on the premium are cool!

when is the first stream? that would be the deciding factor for me

LE stream tonight 6pm CST. Pro stream tomorrow 6pm CST.
https://www.twitch.tv/deadflip

My thought on the FF Pro vs Prem isn't about the toys as much is it's about how it plays. Obviously I don't know yet about the flow but by the looks of it, the Pro looks like it'll play hella-fast with no upper playfield and alien boss-duder-guy-thingy. The Prem from the looks of it will maybe give you more ball life. We'll see, but I'm not the biggest fan of fast pins and that would be my reason for going Prem

...for me at least, it's all about the flow

Metal ramps don't crack or block playfield view as much(Mando). They also don't show as much dirt or ball trails. Metal may show signs of scratches or scrapes but in most cases give me Metal or wire form over plastic all day.

Isn't fast and flow the same? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just I'm just curious as what other people think. I feel they kind of mean the same thing to me. Like they "go together" as far as pins go. Premium on this looks awesome.

not exactly but I do prefer fast and flow. An example of slow and flow is pretty much ANY Lawlor game. haha gonna get the forks and torches for that comment.

I feel like Flow is separate than speed... I feel like there can be both a slow flow or a fast flow pin.

I'm just saying flow is important in general. I find Godzilla slow but flows well. There's obviously other pins out there that the flow of the layout sucks and feels clunky or those that lack any flow and it's just a chasm for the ball.

Pinball is subjective at the end of the day...

Of course! I was just wondering. Star Wars has both the flow and fast speed I've been loving lately. I hear RUSH Pro is like that also. I have only played the premium.

I keep trying to get into Rush I play it on location. I just cant seem to get into a groove. Same with Guardians of the Galaxy. Then I realized they are both Borg games. I think I just have issues with his games lol. They are fun to play on location but will never be in my collection.

Just purchased a PRO. I wanted a Prem. but didn't like the upper playfield. I will miss the ball bump under the flipper. Looks pretty cool.