We disagree could not sold it fast enough and zero takers at pinside inflated prices.
In Canada it is not worth very much. Different markets.

Incorrect, it’s been discussed and stated a few times that the flipper gap was accidentally made even larger than designed by him that shall not be named.

+1
That and the success of the new movie made it more attractive to new players and collectors.

So what is the next Stern!?

Venom I hope.

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I love GB and have no problem with the flipper gap. I play just as well/poorly on it as other tables. BUT I think Tobin's Spirit Guide kinda breaks the game when it gives you the random 2x/3x multipliers (they stack for 6x). Those multipliers literally make or break your score since the rest of the game is fairly low scoring. The game becomes more chance than skill, which is unfortunate. But it still doesn't bother me too much because it's a thrill when you've got the multipliers running and a nice mode at the same time.

Venom....code name I hope

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Or how about particle man vs triangle man?

Yeah like we all know Tron would sell like crazy if it came back, ESPECIALLY with an LCD screen, but I look at what's being manufactured by Stern right now and ask myself why they would bother at this point?
Their games are HITS. They can't keep up with demand. They dropped a cornerstore release this year because sales are so good. Deadpool! Godzilla! AIQ! Jurassic Park! etc some of the best pinballs ever made are being made NOW.

So if I was Stern I'd keep the vault cards close to my chest and wait for the next WWE flop to chum the waters.

(Ghostbusters would also sell like crazy with an LCD screen, who are we kidding. But my point stands that they just don't have the ability to keep up with the demand for their incredible current games)

We all know how that ends...

So…Kaminkow hinted (basically admitted) that either Stern or Kapow has the license for Harry Potter. If the current rumor that Jaws is Eddy (and not elwin) Back to the future will not be Kapow (but MIGHT be Elwin) Gomez finished Ritchies Bond and Jack Danger is developing a cornerstone (possibly Foo Fighters) I would guess that:

Jaws / Summer
Bond / Fall
Back to the future / Winter
Kapow Harry Potter release on one line with backlog games on the other / Spring
Jack Dangers game / Summer

I have been out of this thread for a bit, how do we know that we know? who has confirmed. Also Eddy on jaws.... gonna be bad.

I’ve been in this thread and I don’t know where Eddy now being on Jaws came from, rumour for a long time was he’s on venom, not sure how you could just throw a jaws theme on that layout if true.

All speculation of course. I believe venom is code name for Jaws which is rumored to be next. I don’t think Elwin is on Jaws (which was the previous rumor) because it would be too close from the release of Godzilla. And I think the Jaws license is very expensive and a reason why Eddy would be assigned to it (as his game design is typically no frills low BOM)

Is the Bond in development a Connery Bond or a Craig Bond?

There has been speculation for years that KAPOW has Harry Potter. Here is where it started (for me atleast).

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/stern-got-the-harry-potter-pinball-license

https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/twip-tuesday-february-26th-2019/

I’ll go edit the word “know” from that one sentence, my mistake.

Canadian Goose Edition would go great next to Rush.

Better get on the List FAST for whatever’s announced. Otherwise you might get an estimated delivery date in 2025!

Stern better get their shit together and catch up on the backlog before announcing something like Harry Potter if they are going to build it.
On a positive note I have no interest in that title.

me neither, lol! my wallet needs a break!..

That said, someone in Canada please sell me your TRON

Honestly, at this point in time is it in Sterns best interest to get caught up on the backlog? By keeping pins in short supply, they are able to keep the prices artificially high. i'm not saying they are doing it on purpose... but I'd think twice were I them on bumping up production too much.

With that said I think I'm in for another Godzilla Premium when I get get one NIB at MSRP. Miss mine already.

Where did you get the information about the Harry Potter pin? My grandpa wants it, its his dream machine. I’m really hoping kapow dont do that thing they did with the beetles.

Kaminkow responded to a post yesterday heavily insinuating that Stern / Kapow does in fact hold the license. Wish I screenshot it. I’m sure someone will post it here soon.

He posted something (I screenshotted above) back in 2019 as well. Take that for what it's worth.

A They Might Be Giants pin??

Where do people get that Keith gets a bigger BOM than anyone else?

A few people have pretty much disproved this by listing what’s under Godzilla and others games think Led Zep was the first, Mando etc and it’s all pretty close in a hardware stand point.

Toho Godzilla is a super cheap licence so that likely left more BOM for the playfield compared to Star Wars (Mando) even stranger things is already established itself as pricey to licence from Netflix.

Keith’s also smart with his BOM he mentioned on a podcast he looks at the cost of things and works out what will give him the most pinball for his bucks.

Sterns also too much of a well oiled machine, everything they do is on a tight budget and financial plan, they want to know the cost of their next year or two of releases and exactly how many units will bag them what profit, there won’t be much difference in BOM it’s more likely how much your left after the licensing.

would be amazing if it turned out to be a Stern Harry Potter vs a JJP Toy Story

I want one pretty badly! Haven’t seen one go cheaply! I don’t understand why you say that?

yeah looking forward to a plastic with the picture of a broom vs a full on Toy for you know... Toy Story. lol

That list is way off, not even close. That is what we know.

I don't think companies are jumping at the chance to associate themselves with the Harry Potter brand like they would have 5-10 years ago.

Its gone back and forth, but is Beetlejuice for sure not a possibility? Reading back, its been stated that it wasnt done by Stern cause no one wanted to do it. Then saw a post about Jack Danger not being allowed to do a mock up/virtual layout for reasons and kinda insinuating it was still a possiblity of being built. The sandworms and general oozyness of the theme makes me think venom could be a codename for it. Grasping at straws a bit, but looking for any confirmation one way or the other

I'm sure Keaton would love to get involved in a Beetlejuice pin, too.

I never said Elwin gets a higher BOM. I said Eddy designs bare bones games.

Mando wasn't bare bones. But the funny thing is that STh, which is bare bones, is a better game. Again...who cares about BOM? If the design is great and the code supports it, you can still have a great game.

Trying a different perspective here. Sorry for the long post, you can go to the next one, np!

Seth A. Davis, joined Stern as new President on October 2021. Before joining Stern, he was at Disney+, ESPN+ and Disney Games and Consumer Products. Since he joined last Quarter 2021, I don't think he would have had any impact until Rush (2022), but even that one would have been in the plans for a while:

- The Mandalorian (2021) (Eddy)
- Godzilla (2021) (Elwin)
- Jurassic Park Pin (2021) (home use)
- Rush (2022) (Borg)

So, Stern's President should be fully involved in the next pinball, imo.

Says on Stern's page he's a life-long gamer (PC and console by the looks of it), he's about 44 now and a family man. After 6-7 months at Stern, he's 'ripe' to officially get his first cornerstone produced and he's probably looking for something mainstream or some easy success to have a great start.

Again: former Disney/ESPN, family man, aged 44, lifelong gamer. Probably quite used in negotiating licensing agreements, obviously still has his entries with Disney.

So, realistically, what themes or ideas would have piqued the interest of such a guy when he sat in those boardroom meetings?

Tron 3 : Ares

Tron 3 Was postponed. However, Tron theme park in Disneyland will probably open in 2023, so there's that. But can't see Stern doing any Tron on the near future - too many other great themes to do, imho!

I will never understand the obsession with Tron in here. The films, The arcade game the pin…meh, who cares?

I completely agree!

It is generational. Like all themes or it might not be your thing.
Tron is perfect for pinball.

Just waiting for Saltimbanco to sell me his

You care enough to talk about it.

Don't know.. kind of part of my decor! Some people would say I'm obsessed..!

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You’ve never discussed something you don’t understand? Was hoping someone might come in with some aspects of the franchise that they appreciate so I could better understand the love for it.

I ordered Godzilla just days after it came out. You already got one, played it until you were tired of it, got rid of it, and have had enough more time to miss the game. All that before I can even get an estimate of when I might get one.

You need to fire your distributor

Growing up in the 80s I love the whole aesthetic of Tron. That said I don’t understand all the love for the pinball machine.

I was born the year it came out and have seen it. The new movie is all flash no substance and was reviewed poorly (plus I just detest Disney). The pin is fun to shoot but…but not $10k+ fun imo.

And here I am a big Disney fan whose looking forward to the ride, and the game just doesn’t do it for me, and certainly not at 10-20k