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#2001 6 years ago

fosaisu

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Quoted from PinMonk:
Percentages are fantastic for managing reality. If I sell 1 item year one, and 2 items year two, I've had an 100% increase in just one year! That's way more impressive-sounding than saying I sold two items in a year.
Certain terms are also useful for managing perception. "Revenue" doesn't necessarily mean pinball sales alone.
That's fluff-talk, also known as glittering generalities. Salesman talk. Pay it little mind. They have no responsibility to the public to be honest about their financials as they're not a public company.

You don’t have to believe the 40%/30% revenue increase numbers at all, as you say Stern has no duty to communicate any of that. But if they are true it’s hard to believe they achieved that while selling fewer total games each year. $400 toppers and $30 t-shirts are not likely to account for a 30% revenue increase when your main business is selling $5-8k pinball machines. Mathematically possible, sure, but plausible? Not really.

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#2002 6 years ago

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So Gomez was hinting at a LOTR vault with LCD screen at TPF? Can anyone comment further on this?

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#2003 6 years ago

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DavidPinballWizz

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Quoted from AJB4:
So Gomez was hinting at a LOTR vault with LCD screen at TPF? Can anyone comment further on this?

Question from the audience was: Could future vaults possible have a release with an lcd instead of dmd.
Answer was: "take for example a LOTR vault -like some of you would like-, it would be too difficult to link lcd animations/vids to the existing software"..

That's the only thing that was said, nothing more.

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#2004 6 years ago

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jeffspinballpalace

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Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:
Question from the audience was: Could future vaults possible have a release with an lcd instead of dmd.
Answer was: "take for example a LOTR vault -like some of you would like-, it would be too difficult to link lcd animations/vids to the existing software"..
That's the only thing that was said, nothing more.

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#2005 6 years ago

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Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:
Question from the audience was: Could future vaults possible have a release with an lcd instead of dmd.
Answer was: "take for example a LOTR vault -like some of you would like-, it would be too difficult to link lcd animations/vids to the existing software"..
That's the only thing that was said, nothing more.

He said it would be difficult to do, not a quick and easy port, and it would be more than just a “Vault” if they did something like that. Translation: it would be like Batman ‘66.

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#2006 6 years ago

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Quoted from karl:
The rumor I have heard is that there will be no Elvira 3 from Stern

Wrong. Playfield is done. Just not code yet. Per stern at tpf

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#2007 6 years ago

AJB

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Quoted from DavidPinballWizz:
Question from the audience was: Could future vaults possible have a release with an lcd instead of dmd.
Answer was: "take for example a LOTR vault -like some of you would like-, it would be too difficult to link lcd animations/vids to the existing software"..
That's the only thing that was said, nothing more.

That is VERY HELPFUL and exactly what I was looking for.
THANK YOU.

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#2008 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from Chambahz:
Uhh... no.
Stern shared some info, finally.

And it was one of the most meaningless measures they could have shared. There's a lot of room of obfuscation in there. That's all.

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#2009 6 years ago

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c508

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Quoted from woody76:
Wrong. Playfield is done. Just not code yet. Per stern at tpf

Pshhh... when has “no code” stopped Stern before?

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#2010 6 years ago

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Metengo

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Quoted from PinMonk:
Percentages are fantastic for managing reality. If I sell 1 item year one, and 2 items year two, I've had an 100% increase in just one year!

Banker thinking: Buying at 100 losing 90%, staying at 10. Then making 100% plus staying at 20. You made 10% plus. Everything is OK.

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#2011 6 years ago

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Quoted from c508:
Pshhh... when has “no code” stopped Stern before?

LOL. I know....

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#2012 6 years ago

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Quoted from c508:
Pshhh... when has “no code” stopped Stern before?

When he said “no code” he probably really meant no damn code at all.

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#2013 6 years ago

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11 coders at Stern,
What are they doing ?
Still trying to figure out SPIKE ?

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#2014 6 years ago

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Quoted from PinMonk:
And it was one of the most meaningless measures they could have shared. There's a lot of room of obfuscation in there. That's all.

Uh, wrong again.
When sales are stated to be up year over year, they are not decreasing "due to poor quality" as you stated.

You never did get back to us on how you came up with your findings.

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#2015 6 years ago

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jeffspinballpalace

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Quoted from Chambahz:
Uh, wrong again.
When sales are stated to be up year over year, they are not decreasing "due to poor quality" as you stated.
You never did get back to us on how you came up with your findings.

so that would mean Stern lowered quality and their revenue increased. Looking forward to further lowering of quality, coupled with greater years ahead for Stern.

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#2016 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from Chambahz:
Uh, wrong again.
When sales are stated to be up year over year, they are not decreasing "due to poor quality" as you stated.
You never did get back to us on how you came up with your findings.

He didn't say "sales" were up. He said REVENUE was up, right? They're not the same thing. If you don't understand THAT, well...this is already a meaningless exercise, anyway, so it doesn't matter.

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#2017 6 years ago

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Chambahz

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Quoted from PinMonk:
He didn't say "sales" were up. He said REVENUE was up, right? They're not the same thing. If you don't understand THAT, well...this is already a meaningless exercise, anyway, so it doesn't matter.

Revenue was up something like 40%, followed by 30% if I’m not mistaken. Highly unlikely any sales decreased since prices didn’t escalate that much, that fast.

Is that better?

You come in to a Stern thread, making a statement of how “you just know...” that Stern sales are dropping AND that it’s due to their poor quality goods.

Can you please provide an OUNCE of anything useful, backing up your claim?

Cause right now, you’re just some bitter guy on Pinside, spoutin off about how we can’t trust what Stern says.
But somehow your information is accurate?

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#2018 6 years ago

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Quoted from Chambahz:
Revenue was up something like 40%, followed by 30% if I’m not mistaken. Highly unlikely any sales decreased since prices didn’t escalate that much, that fast.
Is that better?
You come in to a Stern thread, making a statement of how “you just know...” that Stern sales are dropping AND that it’s due to their poor quality goods.
Can you please provide an OUNCE of anything useful, backing up your claim?
Cause right now, you’re just some bitter guy on Pinside, spoutin off about how we can’t trust what Stern says.
But somehow your information is accurate?

Don't feed the troll. Vireland has a bad habit of stating his opinion as fact and, as far as I can tell, doesn't (or can't) corroborate most of what he says. He still is mad at Stern because he didn't do his homework, so Stern can obviously do nothing right.

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#2019 6 years ago

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Quoted from RA77:
11 coders at Stern,
What are they doing ?
Still trying to figure out SPIKE ?

Eyes wide open?!

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#2020 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from Chambahz:
Revenue was up something like 40%, followed by 30% if I’m not mistaken. Highly unlikely any sales decreased since prices didn’t escalate that much, that fast.
Is that better?
You come in to a Stern thread, making a statement of how “you just know...” that Stern sales are dropping AND that it’s due to their poor quality goods.
Can you please provide an OUNCE of anything useful, backing up your claim?
Cause right now, you’re just some bitter guy on Pinside, spoutin off about how we can’t trust what Stern says.
But somehow your information is accurate?

My information is exactly as accurate as the "revenue" numbers you're positing are somehow an indication of sales in your mind. You don't understand that the terms are NOT interchangeable, clearly. This is an exercise in futility. You can prove nothing, and I can prove nothing. You have worthless percentages that seem to make you feel good, and I have my "feeling". Neither is proof of anything in the real world. There's no use even debating it. The end.

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#2021 6 years ago

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Quoted from PinMonk:
My information is exactly as accurate as the "revenue" numbers you're positing are somehow an indication of sales in your mind. You don't understand that the terms are NOT interchangeable, clearly. This is an exercise in futility. You can prove nothing, and I can prove nothing. You have worthless percentages that seem to make you feel good, and I have my "feeling". Neither is proof of anything in the real world. There's no use even debating it. The end.

Revenue is a DIRECT result of sales. Number of units sold x average sale price = sales revenue.

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#2022 6 years ago

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You guys probably need a time out. Go sit in your corners for a bit, thx

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#2023 6 years ago

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Goronic

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Anyway - after that lesson? on sales, revenue and P & L - can we get back on the thread topic

I think the Gomez vault comment is interesting. He saying that games that are DMD will NOT BE MADE into LCD due to the challenge in coding. OR is he just saying that it is challenging to go from DMD to LCD but POSSIBLE.

I know that LOTR and TRON are probably the most requested vaults, and I expected them to be DMD vaults. However, the LCD's would be a real treat to get on those vaults.

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#2024 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from kermit24:
Revenue is a DIRECT result of sales. Number of units sold x average sale price = sales revenue.

Clearly YOU don't understand all the things revenue can encompass, either. Revenue INCLUDES SALES, but is often not completely composed of sales. The terms are NOT interchangeable.

Quoted from EricHadley:
You guys probably need a time out. Go sit in your corners for a bit, thx

I'm TRYING to be done with this. It isn't worth continued conversation.

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#2025 6 years ago

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Quoted from PinMonk:
Clearly YOU don't understand all the things revenue can encompass, either. Revenue INCLUDES SALES, but is often not completely composed of sales. The terms are NOT interchangeable.

I'm TRYING to be done with this. It isn't worth continued conversation.

Corner! Now!

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#2026 6 years ago

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Stern will be announcing the new game at the Stern Pro Circuit Finals
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10156362080184244/

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#2027 6 years ago

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Quoted from mkecasey:
Stern will be announcing the new game at the Stern Pro Circuit Finals
https://www.facebook.com/sternpinball/videos/10156362080184244/

I saw that. Seems odd that they didn't just announce it at TPF.

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#2028 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from Sinestro:
I saw that. Seems odd that they didn't just announce it at TPF.

Probably a licensing issue. Something wasn't approved by TPF and they had to wait. I'm sure they would have preferred to have it at TPF.

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#2029 6 years ago

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Quoted from Sinestro:
I saw that. Seems odd that they didn't just announce it at TPF.

I get it. They are trying to build buzz around their own event. Yes, TPF would have greater exposure but they also know that the people who were at TPF will find out about it either way. This forces people to pay attention somewhere else.

I should add that even though I get it, I still would have done it at TPF.

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#2030 6 years ago

ZAP

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Marketing 101... don’t share the stage when you can have it all to yourself.

EDIT: original reference to CES was invalid... Oops.

Post last edited 6 years ago: “Get your facts straight Tony... Apple left Macworld, not CES. Not the same. Oops.”

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#2031 6 years ago

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Quoted from Pinzap:
Marketing 101... don’t share the stage when you can have it all to yourself. Apple did the same with CES a few years ago and has never released there since. I suspect Stern will do the same more often now that they have the Stern Pro Circuit.

I can't think of any time during the modern era where Apple has been at CES.

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#2032 6 years ago

ZAP

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Quoted from Sinestro:
I can't think of any time during the modern era where Apple has been at CES.

You are absolutely correct and I should have said Macworld.

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#2033 6 years ago

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It will be soon!!

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#2034 6 years ago

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Quoted from frankmac:
It will be soon!!

Real soon !

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#2035 6 years ago

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It’s official!!

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#2036 6 years ago

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Skyemont

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Pics???

#2037 6 years ago

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#2038 6 years ago

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Quoted from Skyemont:
Pics???

Not sure about pics.

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#2039 6 years ago

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WOOOOOOOOO!!!

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#2040 6 years ago

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PinMonk

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Quoted from Skyemont:
Pics???

Pfft. This is Stern. There are no pics of the game they're teasing in the teaser.

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#2041 6 years ago

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ThisNotes4U

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Hat's off for all the hype beforehand, well done Stern. I welcome ANY new music pin, good luck fans.

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#2042 6 years ago

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Pinballrocks

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Iron Maiden - teaser video

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#2043 6 years ago

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Take note: hire drunk guy to make big announcement
Check

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#2044 6 years ago

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gjm

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A rippled, chipping clear coat, year’s away finished coded, high priced piece of......
That’s the next Stern.

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#2045 6 years ago

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gjm

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My money is going to Spooky. But to each his own.

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#2046 6 years ago

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We will see if it is close to Archer..

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#2047 6 years ago

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fosaisu

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Quoted from gjm:
My money is going to Spooky. But to each his own.

Thanks for sharing!

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#2048 6 years ago

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“Legacy of the Beast” is apparently a video game as well, so maybe there’s some shared artwork/concepts there.

http://ironmaidenlegacy.com

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#2049 6 years ago

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Goronic

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Quoted from fosaisu:
“Legacy of the Beast” is apparently a video game as well, so maybe there’s some shared artwork/concepts there.
http://ironmaidenlegacy.com

Apparently that game came out about a year ago. So apparently they started working on the pinball machine at that time as well?

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#2050 6 years ago

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Quoted from fosaisu:
“Legacy of the Beast” is apparently a video game as well, so maybe there’s some shared artwork/concepts there.
http://ironmaidenlegacy.com

News to me..

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