Quoted from Thunderbird:We are in a Stern thread discussing Sterns next title. People are comparing and have been comparing what Stern makes, with GNR and Pinside moderates my post as trolling!!! Lol, wow!
(I’ll write this differently then so it can’t be compared somehow cross posting or trolling. Ridiculous!)
When I was first introduced to pinball I was told Stern makes pinball machines for real pinball players and enthusiasts like Bally/Williams did, because the Bally/Williams team had most all gone over to Stern, after B/W went out of business. Which is true.
JJP began as a tiny competing company, which they still are, after nearly going out of business 3 times, if it wasn’t for the bailouts of the Abbot family, new owners now. So after trying to run 2 separate double the costs operations JJP wisely combined and located near Stern. This all costs incredible amounts of money to accomplish and is passed on to us the consumer of JJP in the form of very high prices on their products. It certainly is not because of high BOM costs. LEDs are very cheap. Plastics are very cheap as well. Both Stern and JJP overcharge for their product, but of the 2 Sterns is $4k to $7k cheaper with not much more in any 3 level JJP than any 3 level Stern. They do have more, but not this next level “raised the bar” claimed by JJP fanboys. And shot wise, put any modern day Stern against the only 6 JJP has made in over a dozen years and one quickly realizes, shots are not so good compared to a Borg, Richie, Gomez, Elwin or Eddy layout. Pat does some good shooting layouts, but his 2 efforts with JJP are not his best, because the ball gets lost much of the time on both layouts and has issues. Eric’s 2 efforts look good, but don’t shoot all that well. Ball meanders all over the place on POTC, gets lost and does not flow all that well on GNR, but he’s still learning with so little experience under his belt compared to all the other designers mentioned above that have been making great pinball designs many years before he was even born.
If we are being realists, a Stern outperforms and shoots better than any JJP, simply because Stern makes machines for the actual sport of pinball and real pinball enthusiasts. Whereas JJP makes pinball for collectors that like a lot of lights, plastic and don’t mind that all that plastic hides the ball a great deal of the time. Collectors have a different idea on pinball and like the look more than the actual gameplay. So that is my reasons of why I’m glad Stern is making these next big titles, like Mando, Godzilla, BTTF and not any of the small way less experienced companies like JJP.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Alan? Alan? Alan?

Quoted from Thunderbird:

This a thousand times about JJP games. Well stated JJP games are clunkers and what I’ve purchased have been Maintence nightmares as well.

Quoted from John_I:

In the end I fixed everything on the WOZ and got it running rock solid. Though I never liked the game, it is truly beloved in its new home. My friend's daughters and grand daughters all play the heck out of it and it is their favorite pinball machine. Different strokes is what it is all about. We all have different tastes and fortunately there are games that are appealing to all of us at this point. If people love WOZ then more power to them, just don't act like I am being fooled somehow into liking Star Wars or WPT or Stranger Things. I like them because I like them and they are good shooting and challenging games. I also love the old Bally SS games and have a bunch of EMs in my collection that I love.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I have no idea how you quoted me as saying that since I never owned a JJP up to this point. Also, I never made that statement.[quoted image]

Quoted from Utesichiban:

Not only was it a maintenance headache and nightmare, like you said, the game was a clunker. It was beautiful to look at but I rarely had the urge to turn it on and play it.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

Okay, it was this quote I agreed fully with and somehow glitched from another persons comments: I said: This a thousand times about JJP games. Well stated JJP games are clunkers and what I’ve purchased have been Maintence nightmares as well.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Stop repeating your same garbage comments over and over again, it's old.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

JJP fanboy garbage in Stern threads repeated by you the king of JJP fan club over and over again calling me out??? Lol Stop your nonsense and go back to trolling elsewhere. We’ve heard enough of you over and over bashing Stern, it gets real old buddy. You are constantly in fights with people all over pinside. When is enough enough??? What you constantly do gets even older. We get it, you hate Stern, but pretend to like or pretend to order a game here or there. I don’t go into JJP threads and bash like you do in Stern threads. Stick to your chosen corner.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

You posted a 1,000 word rant against JJP that makes zero sense and now keep repeating it, please stop.
Also, I currently own two Stern pinball machines, have owned many in the past, and I'm on a list for a Mando LE. I don't hate Stern, far from it. Do I think their games are often overpriced for what you get? You bet and I'll always be critical of that at these insane prices, just as I've been critical for JJP raising GNR prices by $1k (which by the way we both agree on in that other thread). What you are now doing is attacking me, and spreading lies which isn't cool. I'm done, have fun arguing with yourself.
Let's get excited for Mando instead of arguing. Speaking of Mando I've contacted a few of the larger distributors and all have wait lists for LE's at this point... I'm sure some people will decide not to get the game and open up spots for others.

Quoted from Thunderbird:

I will go with that invitation to get Mando excited. Thanks.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Next pin reveal due 28 April
Stern delivered a month early this time!
Math below.
Aerosmith 1/4/2017 (128 days after BM66)
Star Wars 5/31/2017 (147 days after Aerosmith)
Guardians of the Galaxy 11/2/2017 (156 days after Star Wars)
Iron Maiden 3/25/2018 (144 days after Guardians of the Galaxy)
Dead Pool 8/3/2018 (131 days after Iron Maiden)
Munsters 1/12/2019 (203 days after Deadpool)
Black Knight SOR 3/25/2019 (72 days after Munsters)
Jurassic Park 7/26/2019 (122 days after BK SOR)
Stranger Things: 12/23/2019 (150 days after Jurassic Park)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: 5/27/2020 (155 days after Stranger Things)
Avengers Infinity War: 9/2/2020 (98 Days after Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)
Led Zeppelin: 12/15/2020 (104 days after AIQ)
The average time between cornerstone releases is now 134 days.
Next Stern Pin is due on or about 28 April.
My money is still on Godzilla based on the quoted post above AND the fact the new Godzilla movie is due out Early May.

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Based off of Stern's previous release of pro/premium/le cornerstone pins, the next Stern pin would be announced today based off of 134 days between pin releases on average. The odds of the next Stern pin dropping in the next few weeks are EXTREMELY high. I am guessing a release no later than 15 May.

Quoted from John_I:

In the end I fixed everything on the WOZ and got it running rock solid. Though I never liked the game,

Quoted from kumanaga:

My guess is announcement will be on May the 4th since that's "Star Wars Day"

Quoted from zr11990:

I tried to love my WOZ also because it was my only NIB game. I even bought a new PF for it after the ink chipped off the original. I just couldnt get into it no matter how hard I tried.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Did you try making sweet passionate love to a man? According to many on Pinside, this was the fundamental key to unlocking the joy of WOZ!

Quoted from Mando:

Pretty sure it’s really mando , and if so they def need to use the music from the show there are some great tracks in here .

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

I have no idea how you quoted me as saying that since I never owned a JJP up to this point. Also, I never made that statement.[quoted image]

Quoted from zr11990:

I tried to love my WOZ also because it was my only NIB game. I even bought a new PF for it after the ink chipped off the original. I just couldnt get into it no matter how hard I tried.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Did you try making sweet passionate love to a man? According to many on Pinside, this was the fundamental key to unlocking the joy of WOZ!

Quoted from PinMonk:

This thinly-veiled recruiting post is in the wrong thread.

Quoted from Rarehero:

Did you try making sweet passionate love to a man? According to many on Pinside, this was the fundamental key to unlocking the joy of WOZ!

Quoted from Rarehero:

My bad, where's the "I want to get it on with zr11990" thread?

Quoted from zr11990:

Why

Quoted from hocuslocus:

uh huh, right.
hater

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

I just hope its announced soon so people can stop listing dopey ones that wont get made in a million years.

Quoted from Rarehero:

So we can learn to love WOZ...together.

Quoted from zr11990:

Its long gone

Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Just got a note from a buddy. He got a call from his distributor that their allotment for LEs was way down this time, and that it was "The Mandalorian".
Take it for what its worth.

Quoted from Elvishasleft:

I just hope its announced soon so people can stop listing dopey ones that wont get made in a million years.

Quoted from Rarehero:

So we can learn to love WOZ...together.

Quoted from TheFamilyArcade:

When Stern finally announces Broke Back, would you and ZR dress up like cowboys together at Expo?

Quoted from Rarehero:

I mean, we do that together normally...so why not!

Quoted from PinFever:

Or maybe this is just the first in a long list of SW show pins going to be released in the future

Quoted from Pin_Fandango:

why are some people still guessing when it has been already leaked what the title is?
It is Mandalorian.