If this is true, then this comment makes even more sense:

NIB buyers are people who DGAF about what it is I.E. commercial operators who buy Pros and addicts with too much money to blow on LEs.

It also throws meat to its older fans who grew up with it, and might otherwise start to feel it hasn't 'matured' along with them - see Zombie Island, What's New Scooby Doo and Mystery Incorporated in particular.

Know what they would love even more? Music from their generation.

Because modern Scooby is killing it, isn't? People can't get enough of Scoob, can they? The same gray hairs are green-lighting Scooby "because we liked it 50 years ago".

You are truly out of touch if you believe this haha. Also...Rush is prog rock and AC/DC is hard rock. There really is no such thing as “classic rock” outside of the lens of radio formatting. It’s an utterly useless term for listeners to use as it refers to no style in particular (other than the umbrella of “guitar based rock”) and the term continues to absorb newer artists as time progresses. For example...I heard a Foo Fighters song from 20 years ago on a classic rock station the other day. But are they classic rock? Anyway....don’t mind me. I’m annoying.

Classic rock is timeless, and all generations know it and like it. Check out all the music reaction videos on Youtube...20-somethings are listening to AC/DC, Rush, etc and LOVING it.

Maybe they just like music. Good music is forever.

WB doesn't make Scooby for charity. They make it cuz people watch it/buy it/buy merch. People buy things when they like them. I dunno, weird.

OMG, f*cking music nerds....

Sorry I used the wrong terms! Point was still valid.

With The Rock wanting to remake it, it may yet come around again. But if they do a pin of it, I want the classic version, not a Rock-ified one.

I always considered classic rock to be rock music from the 60s and 70s. But that is probably technically incorrect.

It may be a rolling range - rock music made over 40 years ago. For example, rock music made today in 2060 would be called 'classic rock'?

Turns out the Rock produced version has been percolating since 2015 and its not completed yet. The big news is that the new film will be a continuation of the story rather than a remake. That sounds fascinating but since Stern waits 30-40 years before making a pin, we can expect to see that in 2051.

Stern should take a page out of the old Bally book, and use themes based on current day pop culture, not stuff from the past. In the late 1970's Bally made Evel K, Capt Fan, Six Mill Man, Dolly, Wizard, Kiss, Supersonic, Playboy....ALL current topics/themes of the day.

So what topics similar to above, but current for today? I'm an old fart and don't keep up with stuff like that, so I honestly don't know. What I do know is, in the 1970's I was a kid and these themes had me sold enough, to dump hundreds of quarters into them whenever I could. Motorcycles, boobs, rockers, boobs, bionics, boobs....Mission accomplished, marketing department !

Again...YOUR opinion. I wouldnt even want to play a Big Trouble. Cant freaking stand it. If they made one id be hoping to not like the way it plays so i can hate it outright lol.

Ultimately ill buy whatever is good as long as i dont hate the theme but my top themes would probably be,

CARTOONS/COMICS/VIDEO GAMES
-Futurama
-Invincible
-Sonic the Hedgehog (16bit era)

MOVIES
-Bill and Ted
-Back to the Future

MUSIC
-Queen
-WuTang (36 Chambers)

Im sure plenty of people will HATE my wanted list. Im nerdy. Thats life man.

need some cowbell! and more boobs.

If someday the most bad ass pin in history adequately themed by Pink Floyd doesn't exist, humanity itself was wasted. Js.

Do you have kids? Scooby has team up with Batman, WWE Wrestlers in recent years and had a full cross over episode Teen Titans last year. Scooby Lego Dimensions and Lego sets. Scooby is still relevant. More than Jetsons.

and more Black Sabbath!! Actually hoping JJP gets that title as their next music pin with an assist by Slash. That would leave Pink Floyd for Stern. Let’s do it Stern, NOW. Pink Floyd !!!

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I got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell...

Down this way in South Florida, people associated with the industry have led us all to believe it’s Back to the Future. I think it could be linked to a cartoon movie or series, from the 1970’s or 80’s, that is unrelated to BTTF. Cheers!

I would love to see a Mandalorian with the storyboard art used at the end of the episodes.
The art is really good.
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The two eras are fundamentally different for machine sales. In the 70's, the arcade was huge & relevant, and 100% of sales were to operators.

Today the arcade is dead, and a good majority of sales are to home buyers - who are buying a "collectible" based on nostalgic things they love.

Never trust Florida Man.

Your thoughts are valid but your point was not.

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Day one buyer of Futurama & Queen .

Yes it was. The "kids" won't buy a pinball machine of their favorite music genre. They will, however, enjoy a classic rock pin if one is in front of them.

I happen to actually have a location that is full of kids ages 5-25. Out of 13 pins at any given time the rock band pins consistently earn the least with younger inexperienced players and higher with older pinheads (judging by earnings and ball/ game length in audits. Believe it.

which pins make the most money at the end of the day?

I'm betting Adams Family and Stranger Things.....operators please weigh in.

Jetsons haven’t been relevant in years. Look at the different Scooby Doo cartoons on Netflix alone from the last couple of years. KISS was even on an episode of Scooby Doo. Scooby will be a hit for Spooky. How much jetson merch is made today and cartoons based on them compared to Scooby? No comparison.

Nope. You used the right term and were dead on correct. I disagreed with everything in his argument until his last statement...

Home sales > Op sales at the moment...so, you're going to see titles that appeal to people who buy for home. Don't put rock pins in your location if they don't perform. Plenty of modern themes like Avengers, Stranger Things, and Stern's next game are available that will work for you & the home buyers.

Now you’re both wrong haha. And, please beelzeboob youre one of the most insufferable pinsiders of all time haha.

TSPP SP LOTR GB...and slew of others, film, TV and cartoon themes kill it.

...and you're wrong again. But you're good at that, so please do continue.

Seems like you're still categorizing Age 0-45 as one demographic.

I was listening to a Classic Rock station today and they played Green Day and STP. I’m getting old

The funny thing about facts is that you don’t have to believe them in order for them to be true, but I guess you’d have to think long and hard on that as someone who barely graduated high school. Anyway...the majority of 20 somethings consume an overwhelming amount of pop and hip hop, that’s a fact. I’ll post this again...maybe you can get someone to read it for you.

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Kaneda podcast today says not mortal kombat. Not Harry Potter. Not a movie. A tv show that isn’t finished. Playfield has a wooded area. My guess is still Mandalorian. Mando isn’t done with episodes. I believe the scenes had some wooded are in last few episodes. We’ll see what happens

How so? I'm in that demographic...lol...also, I feel like we're fighting and I don't know why. Anyway, enjoy Mando, everyone!

They don't buy pins. Pinball companies that make themes for people who buy pins sell pins. A pop/hip-hop theme might do good coin-drop at your particular location. Cool. That's one sale. AC/DC, Metallica & GnR are filling thousands of home game rooms.

You’re not particularly great at following your own subject. I have been focused on this quoted statement alone. It is patently false.

Classic rock is timeless, and all generations know it and like it. Check out all the music reaction videos on Youtube...20-somethings are listening to AC/DC, Rush, etc and LOVING it.

Ya know...I really don't care. I hope you get all the themes you want. I'm gonna go play AC/DC. Peace.

Ok, now this makes more sense. Yes, we all want more toys, better quality and real technical support. Who doesnt? I took your post to mean the themes they offer. I played LZ and its bare AF, and not fun at all. Thats just my opinion though and other people love it. Problem is, we keep buying them, so why would they change it up? There are other options, but obviously, all other manufactures combined cannot out produce Stern. Gary is setting up for retirement, so any money spend on the BOM is less in his pocket. Thing is, I think Stern generally makes some outstanding pins, but GnR is next level greatness. I never expect that from Stern.

The Umbrella Academy fits that description and would make a cool pinball machine.

Twin Pines Mall. BTTF confirmed.

.....that was my point

Music made today doesnt even last a year. People dont buy albums, they buy songs. New "music" will not translate at all, or sell to us grey hairs that have the $$$ to spend.

Apathy, the only way to save face. Typical Gen X move haha.

The Umbrella Academy season one was good Not the second and would make a poor Pinball machine.
The Mandalorian Would not be that great a title regardless how cool that show was .
I do not know of a Tv Series running right now i want to see period. Do you?
the only show i am craving to come back is Superman and Family episode 6

Really interesting how a couple decades are completely forgotten on this forum, and 30-to-40-year-olds have no money. I have money for Beastie Boys, Eminem, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, STP, Soundgarden, Offspring, Smashing Pumpkins, RHCP, Radiohead, Green Day, Foo Fighters, and Michael Jackson.

How many of those kids can afford to throw 8 gs at a pin? Not many. Sure they put $10 bucks into whatever pin they want, but they arent going home and ordering NIB.

Greyhairs are and Stern knows their market.

Umm, that is 90s music, 30 years ago and Im sure Stern will change as needed, they know their market. You may not have grey hair, but you might as well be considered one.