Do you get mad at Ford when they come out with the next year's model Mustang? Because those are totally devaluing the one you bought last year.

It's a box of lights and coils meant to entertain for a few minutes in exchange for some coins. It's only a collectable to a tiny, rabid fanbase.

They need to upgrade Tron ala Batman '66. LCD with scenes from Legacy as well as custom animation. Lighted ramps as well as all color changing LED's under the inserts. Custom made light cycles. Full arcade machine mod.

Regular VE stay on the same hardware, as Stern has stated, but Batman '66 shows they will upgrade under the right conditions. What conditions are better than Tron?

Sold my Tron to experience new games, but that would definitely be a reason for me to buy it again! AC/DC VE this year, what's coming next year?

Yes I did when they came out with the Mustang 2. What a horrible car that was.

You must not have played any of their recent games. I think they're all great.

But then again, I just f**king love pinball.

Good point.

That would be cool.

They can fix the GEM shot too

If Stern gave TSPP the BM66 treatment I would buy it day one before even selling my previous generation TSPP as that is my all time favorite Stern ever. I dont care about the old one losing value. As long as the new one carries over Keefers rules & they add full LCD animations I'd be on board. If they add Marge/Lisa to the audio I'd probably bring a hundred candy bars to the factory tour for the workers & hug everyone.

Or I'd stay home, eat 100 candy bars & play TSPPve2.0

Either is fine

I have never played TSPP in a home environment so I have never heard the audio, didn't realise Marge and Lisa where not in the games audio, can pinball browser not be used on whitestar games?

I am currently looking for a nice TSPP, but I would buy a TSPP VE with LCD in a heartbeat.

I'm not worried. I'm sure my beat up routed Simpsons will still be worth more than your LCD screen, mint condition VE

Good, because what would you have to worry about

Vault Editions don't hurt the original games unless those original releases are in high demand or/and commanding silly money on the used market, then all that happens is the pricing levels itself out a little back down towards sensible numbers, that's why we have seen VE of SM, IM, ACDC and it is why I believe TRON is likely next.

I am currently on the hunt for a nice TSPP and a VE will probably never happen but if it did there would be plenty of people interested, myself included, but I am pretty sure there would still be as many equally as interested in the original or either.

I was joking about it lol. The VE would definitely be worth alot more than my tspp with a faded cabinet. I bet they would look nice.

Tspp imo is Stern's best game. Iwould definitely buy tspp VE. $5500 shipped sounds fair to me

I don't know vault editions haven't really had much effect on originals values, some don't like the VE at all and prefer the originals, others don't mind either. And faded cabinets aren't the deal breaker they once where with decals available from multiple soruces, its a funny market at the moment, that's for sure, one thing we can be sure on, is that a TSPP VE would probably be more like $8500

I'd think $7500, like the SM VE. Considering the feature load vs. the current "PRO" level of pin that would make sense. But you can get a TSPP for less than that all day every day, right?

Does someone know if new stern game will be announced at expo?
Thanks

When I asked that on their Facebook page the other day, they replied, "Not planned."

They are leaving the expo light to shine on JJP.

That's awfully kind of Stern...and with Spooky M.I.A. also, that leaves the spotlight for JJP!

They need to, they have how many games now that need software?

From their seminar/talk which was embarrassingly weak, George confirms/admits his code studio is working around the clock and from a comment along the lines of "even at late hours if you drive past the factory there is usually a light on in the code studio" suggest their often working out of hours, which aint fair on those guys.

I don't know what the next machine will be but the game has just been upped by JJP....

No doubt......good God! JJP POTC is stunning!

Yeah they admit the software team is overworked and the global pinball market is growing. Why doesnt Stern just hire more coders? I guess they appear to be okay with the current status quo since they said nothing about how they were going to improve code development going forward.

If Stern continue with stripped down games going forward, more important than ever they they code games to the absolute max.

They have been complacent for far too long.

POTC is just jam packed.

JJP raised the game on their debut with WOZ and they raised it again with DI, Stern haven't responded other than raise their prices.

How long has JJP been around? I haven't seen Stern come out with a jam packed game other than GB and as for code that issue is worse than ever, Gomez said as much at Expo, his code studio cannot keep up and are already working flat out!

Only two answers they are still being complacent or overly confident they can continue to over promise and under deliver and not loose customers/their delusional 90% market share.

I really hope they pull their heads out their asses because the talent under the Stern roof is capable of making phenomenal games.

POTC vault?

I kind of doubt that! lol

April Wine pinball with a "Just between you and me" mode and changeable Canadian cities that do nothing. Lyman will be on the code for 24 months.

maybe theyre waiting, and there next game will be jurassic world 2

Elvira is due out August 2018 ..
I know this from my visit to the factory

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I doubt people are going to jump feet first at the next release of such a high priced item coming from a company that can't keep their promises and corrects their problems by changing their legal lingo.

Doubt what you want. Doesn't change reality. A Tron upgraded in such a way would fly off the factory floor.

I wouldn't be so sure. The high rollers got burnt with BM66 and I doubt they will have repeated customers at that price point with the way Stern is treating their high end customers now. And reality has changed whether you want to face those facts or not is up to you. I can just point at the Stern's expo attendance VS JJPs as one example. I'm just being realistic about the entire thing. Just answer this question for me

How do you charge some clients $18,000, promise then bi-weekly code updates until it's done, make said clients wait more than 365 days for beta code (and counting), not honour those promises, not make an update available at Expo and still think they will support you on your next release?

You're a long term Stern basher. Your opinion is a forgone conclusion, and thus utterly devoid of merit.

I've said it before and others agree with me. A updated Tron would fly off the factory floor.

You still haven't answered my question.

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I don't care about the Batman '66 code issues. They aren't relevant to Tron being successful.

Still haven't answered my question... You don't care but I'm pretty sure that all bm66 buyers do...and they are the one with deep pockets.

You must be hard of hearing.

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And your just trolling Stern love with nothing to back it up apart from smoke and mirrors. So I guess we'll leave it at that. LMAO.

Well, when you outsell the competition 10-1......there's really nothing else you need to back it up.

Ask Blackberry how that worked for them when Apple came out with the Iphone (june 2007) and get back to me. Here I'll give you a hint.

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Stern level of incompetence isn't even in the same galaxy as Blackberry's!

And the competition doesn't have a Steve Jobs....so pointless comparison.

let's try this again..

"How do you charge some clients $18,000, promise then bi-weekly code updates until it's done, make said clients wait more than 365 days for beta code (and counting), not honour those promises, not make an update available at Expo and still think they will support you on your next release?"

Your current answers

Do you really think those are viable?

I'm sorry. I was typing too fast. I'll type slower so that you small brain can process my reply.

Here we go......typing slower in 3...2....1

I don't care about the Batman '66 code issue. Stern always has code issues, and it doesn't stop them from selling games. Repeating your question over and over again isn't ineffective. It exposes your one track brain to Pinside.

If you continue to have trouble reading this reply, please let me know. I can type it in French, Canuk, and gender neutral gobbleygook. Whatever you prefer.

My question was not directed at you but in regards to the owners and how they feel and if you feel like they would all go jumping on the opportunity of being the first to own the next Super LE title...

We clearly know how you feel but how do you think they feel?

Moi, d'autres acheteurs sévères, c'est pareil. Le code est toujours un problème. Ne les empêche pas de vendre des jeux.

你们都是一堆麻木的！

True that has been the case the last couple years, but things have got much worse on the code front and patience for code get shorter and shorter as prices get higher and higher.

You should have prefaced this with, "Pardon my French, but..."

said every industry giant and their hysterical fanboys immediately prior to competitors entering the market and devouring them.