Shame if Queen is a QS layout.
QS is brilliant but want a fully featured Queen pin!
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Quoted from John_I:Jealousy of money is as old as money itself. I grew up around people with much more money than my family had and learned to not begrudge them or have petty jealousy like displayed in this thread. There are lot of people who have tons of money. I'm not even talking about billionaires. If you made $10 million a year, how are you stupid for buying an SLE for $36K? The extra money to a person in that tax bracket is like a couple hundred to me. When I drive 50 miles each way to buy a game, I don't bicker over a couple hundred dollars if it's a game that I want. I've already invested the better part of a day; hand them the money and move on.
I think the Pro, Premium and LE model is genius and helps people on all ends of the pinball spectrum from a perspective of available play money. JJP and CGI seem to agree too. Why be an SLE hater and worry about a product that was never aimed at you? Don't buy it. Why belittle and discriminate against the 1%? Let them have their fun too and don't worry if you don't find it to be a particularly good investment LOL. If there is demand then why not make a product? Would be stupid not to. Especially one that rolls in a ton of profit margin and helps keep the cost of Premiums and Pros down a little? Before anyone bitches at that statement, tell me that the profit margin on Pros is not way less than an LE or especially an SLE. Stern is a business in a cut throat industry that has seen many companies come, go and have to be rescued. Supreme was also genius and yet some people here resented it and resented Stern for ever making it. Mind boggling how anyone can think like that.
I hope to never understand that level of money. My boss owns a lot of dealerships, he’s bought pins from me that I put in his house. But man, he’s fought long and hard just to try to be happy. He’s had 3 heart attacks, and now he’s in his seventies and trying to work people out in his head. Too much stress. Everybody always wants what he had, or what they thought he had. He never really had anything but expendable income.
My home is paid off, I own the muscle cars, I’ve owned the pins, still have the keepers. I’ll buy nib again I’m sure. I make silly money based on my click of friends, etc. great balance. But Relatable people, equals, That’s why I stay on PS. Good and bad, you guys keep me in the hobby loop.
Quoted from Saltimbanco:Stern SPACE X MARS, in collaboration with Tesla/Elon Musk. Can you imagine what crazy things those guys could come up with?
This would actually be a great way to do a space theme again. I'm not sure how you'd approach the rules of the game but Im sure you could make a fun machine out of it.
The problem is, it wouldnt be a theme that gets people to buy without playing it and that seems to be the main thing to consider.
Quoted from Thunderbird:I agree, pricing has gotten out of hand on pinball machines. Stern is climbing in price to JJP stratosphere, which is not good. Price gouging like that is not good for our hobby. Batman 66 SLE was a special case and don’t think any other machine will get that kind of a price. To be clear, it was sold from original owner to another guy for a $7k profit and then the next guy made the rest selling it for a third time to a whale. This is a rare thing and not to be celebrated, because it was a lucky shot. Don’t think any other title has buyers willing to spend that kind of crazy money for other IPs. Batman 66 collectors are nuts, lol. Know a guy who spent way more than that duplicating a 66 Batmoblie. Hope Stern keeps things reasonable price wise and stops the ever inching upward to $10k for an LE. Elvira CE and Beatle Diamond editions were plain money grabs. Same could be said for JJP and their CEs.
BM66 and the Beatles are Kapow games they seem to be the thing that jacks up the price http://www.kapowpinball.com/games.html
Quoted from JY64:BM66 and the Beatles are Kapow games they seem to be the thing that jacks up the price http://www.kapowpinball.com/games.html
What exactly does Kapow do? It seems like they just get the licensing maybe?
Quoted from John_I:Jealousy of money is as old as money itself. I grew up around people with much more money than my family had and learned to not begrudge them or have petty jealousy like displayed in this thread. There are lot of people who have tons of money. I'm not even talking about billionaires. If you made $10 million a year, how are you stupid for buying an SLE for $36K? The extra money to a person in that tax bracket is like a couple hundred to me. When I drive 50 miles each way to buy a game, I don't bicker over a couple hundred dollars if it's a game that I want. I've already invested the better part of a day; hand them the money and move on.
I think the Pro, Premium and LE model is genius and helps people on all ends of the pinball spectrum from a perspective of available play money. JJP and CGI seem to agree too. Why be an SLE hater and worry about a product that was never aimed at you? Don't buy it. Why belittle and discriminate against the 1%? Let them have their fun too and don't worry if you don't find it to be a particularly good investment LOL. If there is demand then why not make a product? Would be stupid not to. Especially one that rolls in a ton of profit margin and helps keep the cost of Premiums and Pros down a little? Before anyone bitches at that statement, tell me that the profit margin on Pros is not way less than an LE or especially an SLE. Stern is a business in a cut throat industry that has seen many companies come, go and have to be rescued. Supreme was also genius and yet some people here resented it and resented Stern for ever making it. Mind boggling how anyone can think like that.
Couldn't agree with you more.
There are many people on here like myself that couldn't afford a NIB even at PRO level. Heck only reason I was able to collect so many pins was because I got into the hobby when you could buy non-working games for $50 to $100 and had a choice of dozens to pick from. Working games from $200 to $1000. Then took years of fixing games and reselling to get where my collection is at. WHy hate on people that can afford an SLE? Why hate on Stern or JJP for making these super expensive games? Let them build what they want.
Back on topic. I couldn't see Stern making two cornerstone music pins back to back. And they just released Heavy Metal as a contract pin so highly doubtful they would do Queen and then Led Zeppelin.
Quoted from shaub:What exactly does Kapow do? It seems like they just get the licensing maybe?
think 'executive producer' 
In the past they've helped broker the licensing deals - bringing pinball into other larger bundled agreements. Presumably they stay engaged in the process as consulting and liaison. They are stern games... just with other stakeholders involved.
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Now I am confused. Also he says "very soon" i mean 
Delhi, ON
Quoted from John_I:Jealousy of money is as old as money itself. I grew up around people with much more money than my family had and learned to not begrudge them or have petty jealousy like displayed in this thread. There are lot of people who have tons of money. I'm not even talking about billionaires. If you made $10 million a year, how are you stupid for buying an SLE for $36K? The extra money to a person in that tax bracket is like a couple hundred to me. When I drive 50 miles each way to buy a game, I don't bicker over a couple hundred dollars if it's a game that I want. I've already invested the better part of a day; hand them the money and move on.
I think the Pro, Premium and LE model is genius and helps people on all ends of the pinball spectrum from a perspective of available play money. JJP and CGI seem to agree too. Why be an SLE hater and worry about a product that was never aimed at you? Don't buy it. Why belittle and discriminate against the 1%? Let them have their fun too and don't worry if you don't find it to be a particularly good investment LOL. If there is demand then why not make a product? Would be stupid not to. Especially one that rolls in a ton of profit margin and helps keep the cost of Premiums and Pros down a little? Before anyone bitches at that statement, tell me that the profit margin on Pros is not way less than an LE or especially an SLE. Stern is a business in a cut throat industry that has seen many companies come, go and have to be rescued. Supreme was also genius and yet some people here resented it and resented Stern for ever making it. Mind boggling how anyone can think like that.
The discussion wasn't about hating on SLE owners, it was about one specific egomaniac stating that his EHOH SLE is going to increase in value. I can easily afford to by that POS, but I'm smart enough not to. d-bagz is the one telling us how 'comfortable' he is. You can be 'comfortable' and make bad decisions. He made one and is butthurt that some of us are pointing it out.
Buy another one; it's your money. Will we point and laugh? YES, absolutely!
Quoted from Tranquilize:The discussion wasn't about hating on SLE owners, it was about one specific egomaniac stating that his EHOH SLE is going to increase in value. I can easily afford to by that POS, but I'm smart enough not to. d-bagz is the one telling us how 'comfortable' he is. You can be 'comfortable' and make bad decisions. He made one and is butthurt that some of us are pointing it out.
Buy another one; it's your money. Will we point and laugh? YES, absolutely!
Come on guys, let people pay what they want to pay.
I hope the next Stern has an Extra-Super Limited Edition, so I can keep buying Pro machines like TMNT, GOTG & IMDN at reasonable prices.
Staying for years resaleable at 80% of their NIB value.
Being in a hobby to make money is like marrying an ugly but rich girl. Will it make you happy at the end? 
Quoted from Tranquilize:The discussion wasn't about hating on SLE owners, it was about one specific egomaniac stating that his EHOH SLE is going to increase in value. I can easily afford to by that POS, but I'm smart enough not to. d-bagz is the one telling us how 'comfortable' he is. You can be 'comfortable' and make bad decisions. He made one and is butthurt that some of us are pointing it out.
Buy another one; it's your money. Will we point and laugh? YES, absolutely!
you should go back and read the initial comments. all I said was that I was confident that my sle would hold its value over time. very reasonable comment.
the only one butt hurt right now is you typing all this out right now and calling people names. find something better to do with your time.
People can do whatever they want with their own money. Its really nobody else's business.
Negative comments about someones choice to purchase an expensive game, or any item for that matter, only come across as petty and jealous.
Warrington
Quoted from cleanandlevel:you should go back and read the initial comments. all I said was that I was confident that my sle would hold its value over time. very reasonable comment.
the only one butt hurt right now is you typing all this out right now and calling people names. find something better to do with your time.
Pro, Premium, LE, SLE doesn’t matter, if the game is good it’s value will hold, if it stinks it’s value will drop.
Batman 66 is the former, thanks to Lyman! A few changed hands early and they weren’t going for above NIB, once Lyman worked his magic over the years the few that sold they blew up!
Quoted from cleanandlevel:the only one butt hurt right now is you typing all this out right now and calling people names. find something better to do with your time.
Ok Negative Nick. Have a drink, enjoy existence and type accordingly for all of us.
Fuck you Overlord in 3...2...1... 
Quoted from J85M:Pro, Premium, LE, SLE doesn’t matter, if the game is good it’s value will hold, if it stinks it’s value will drop.
Batman 66 is the former, thanks to Lyman! A few changed hands early and they weren’t going for above NIB, once Lyman worked his magic over the years the few that sold they blew up!
in Lyman we trust. very excited for his next title. he's been knocking them out of the park imo.
On one hand, yes, let people spend their money how they want to spend it, and if paying a buttload for an SLE makes them happy, good for them.
On the other hand, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone clearly offer this counterpoint: that when the Richie Rich’s of the world buy their $20k Rick and Morty and Big Lebowski games, it has ripple effects that filter down to the rest of the buying community. It makes people think their $2500 games should fetch $3900 and their $4500 games should fetch $6000 etc. So then buyers looking for a fair market value deal on a searched for game have to deal with greedy fools trying to “get theirs” for their average pins.
Quoted from PinballBJB:On one hand, yes, let people spend their money how they want to spend it, and if paying a buttload for an SLE makes them happy, good for them.
On the other hand, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone clearly offer this counterpoint: that when the Richie Rich’s of the world buy their $20k Rick and Morty and Big Lebowski games, it has ripple effects that filter down to the rest of the buying community. It makes people think their $2500 games should fetch $3900 and their $4500 games should fetch $6000 etc. So then buyers looking for a fair market value deal on a searched for game have to deal with greedy fools trying to “get theirs” for their average pins.
And then they're chastised by people because they point out the ridiculousness of the price being asked.
since you guys are in Florida and Georgia you should check out villagebbs.com/forum
it's a great resource for finding good deals on pinball and arcade machines in the state of Florida. really great community I've gotten a few machines off there.
Quoted from PinballBJB:On one hand, yes, let people spend their money how they want to spend it, and if paying a buttload for an SLE makes them happy, good for them.
On the other hand, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone clearly offer this counterpoint: that when the Richie Rich’s of the world buy their $20k Rick and Morty and Big Lebowski games, it has ripple effects that filter down to the rest of the buying community. It makes people think their $2500 games should fetch $3900 and their $4500 games should fetch $6000 etc. So then buyers looking for a fair market value deal on a searched for game have to deal with greedy fools trying to “get theirs” for their average pins.
That point was implied. Trickle Down affect always works with greed.
IF Stern releases Queen before JJP announces GnR, I believe JJP has lost even more sales. TMNT took some of the GnR money, Queen could take quite a bit more from JJP. Stern knows how to mass build machines and get them out the door, quality not withstanding. So, IF Queen is announced and you wanted GnR, would you jump to Queen?
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Quoted from Dallas_Pin:IF Stern releases Queen before JJP announces GnR, I believe JJP has lost even more sales. TMNT took some of the GnR money, Queen could take quite a bit more from JJP. Stern knows how to mass build machines and get them out the door, quality not withstanding. So, IF Queen is announced and you wanted GnR, would you jump to Queen?
Stern could bring out 4 or 5 new games before JJP release a game. Lots can happen in that time. Enjoy what is around and available. If the Queen rumours are true and the game is a quicksilver re theme, we are out. There are plenty of choices at the moment.
Quoted from pinballaddicted:Stern could bring out 4 or 5 new games before JJP release a game. Lots can happen in that time. Enjoy what is around and available. If the Queen rumours are true and the game is a quicksilver re theme, we are out. There are plenty of choices at the moment.
Unfortunately gotta agree with this
A Queen Quicksilver would be highly disappointing
Listening to that Gomez interview I’m hoping that when he was asked whether or not they would vault some of the older titles like Quicksilver and Stars he said it would be challenging and not sure about the demand to justify it
I would think they learned the lesson on Beatles? I mean I love my game but I’m not interested in buying another music pin re theme at those prices AND the Beatles are at the top of the heap
I also don’t see a full featured Queen AND zeppelin cornerstone back to back
Quoted from underlord:I’m sure. All of the bakers dozen of them in the universe. The fortune 500’s, the investment gurus. The lucky who sold or bought at the right time. BM66 SLE is not special. Artificial price pumping. Anyone who spends 36k on one is not an investment guru but a spending fool.
Then there’s the rest of us in the real world. Saving for months or years (or even longer). Skipping or working through vacations, working ALL the hours, wheeling and dealing other projects or hobbies to save some coin for that next pin purchase. Using one whale purchase as an example deflates enthusiasm for myself and I’m sure others. It’s not something to celebrate. I pity the buyer.
Why are you taking it personally?
Quoted from Thunderbird:I agree, pricing has gotten out of hand on pinball machines. Stern is climbing in price to JJP stratosphere, which is not good. Price gouging like that is not good for our hobby. Batman 66 SLE was a special case and don’t think any other machine will get that kind of a price. To be clear, it was sold from original owner to another guy for a $7k profit and then the next guy made the rest selling it for a third time to a whale. This is a rare thing and not to be celebrated, because it was a lucky shot. Don’t think any other title has buyers willing to spend that kind of crazy money for other IPs. Batman 66 collectors are nuts, lol. Know a guy who spent way more than that duplicating a 66 Batmoblie. Hope Stern keeps things reasonable price wise and stops the ever inching upward to $10k for an LE. Elvira CE and Beatle Diamond editions were plain money grabs. Same could be said for JJP and their CEs.
You cant price gouge on a toy.
Quoted from iceman44:Unfortunately gotta agree with this
A Queen Quicksilver would be highly disappointing
Listening to that Gomez interview I’m hoping that when he was asked whether or not they would vault some of the older titles like Quicksilver and Stars he said it would be challenging and not sure about the demand to justify it
I would think they learned the lesson on Beatles? I mean I love my game but I’m not interested in buying another music pin re theme at those prices AND the Beatles are at the top of the heap
I also don’t see a full featured Queen AND zeppelin cornerstone back to back
I hope I am wrong and Queen is a cornerstone (or special like BM66 & 3lvira) game with Lyman on code.
I agree with you that surely Stern learnt their lesson with Beatles? Looks like we will be finding out shortly!
Quoted from underlord:Thanks for the concern. How’re you though? I pity the buyer cuz he won’t ever recoup his investment. Speaking from financial perspective, you took it to a Fruedian spin. I’m sure you’ll be buying plenty of 36k pins with all that internet psychology. Lol.
Oooh the angry internet posters. Who’s projecting...
You think that someone who can dump 36,000 gs on a pin cares about his"investment?". Hint, he doesnt. You are projecting your concerns, as if the buyer has, or should have, the same concerns. Let it go. Some people are just rich af and dont give a shit.
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:The negativity oozing from you makes hitting the downvote a really easy choice. Who care how much you make or your age? You sound like a spoiled child though. Was that what the age clarification was for?
Edit: homophobia masking internal conflict dude?
I dont understand where you are saying he is negative? Its the other dude whining about some rich dude over paying for a pin, in his opinion and bitching about skimping on vacations to afford toys. Some people just have bigger first world problems then others it seems.
Of course as long as I'm being self indulgent, how about a Pogo Pinball. (forgive me Walt). "We have met the enemy and he is us!"
Quoted from delt31:frankmac
Where did you get that queen kaneda pic?
Facebook I believe.
Quoted from frankmac:Looks like Kaneda is calling the next stern pin.
QUEEN
Any thoughts?[quoted image]
Kaneda calling it? It was called by a pinsider on here about 15 pages back... and it wasnt a guess. Why is it when he calls it its gospel?
Quoted from Roostking:Why are you taking it personally?
Lots of assumptions. Zero taken personally. Just Comments on a pinball forum. If any concerns at all is just the price raising like what happened with ‘collectible cards’ hobby.
Besides, no proof the sale ever even happened.
If only Heighway had got their act together their Queen pin could have been pretty good.
Some good shots and being a live version, would have rocked!
Be interesting to see the Kapow version.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:If only Heighway had got their act together their Queen pin could have been pretty good.
Some good shots and being a live version, would have rocked!
Be interesting to see the Kapow version.
No thanks....that upper playfield looks quite annoying and lame.
If Queen is coming next it will be the Quicksilver retheme, Beatles was a modified/updated re-theme of Seawitch to keep R&D costs low because the licensing cost so much, most expensive pinball licence ever according to Joe K, as well as to give it that old school feel.
Queen licensing might not be as expensive as Beatles but it sure as shit won’t be cheap either, the fact Disney own the rights is all the proof you need of that.
Not that a modified/updated quicksilver is a bad thing, beatles is super fun it’s the stupid price that killed beatles off. An updated quicksilver with a more reasonable price and Queen will probably sell much better than the bonkers beatles pricing model.
Melbourne
Quoted from PinballBJB:it has ripple effects that filter down to the rest of the buying community. It makes people think their $2500 games should fetch $3900 and their $4500 games should fetch $6000 etc. So then buyers looking for a fair market value deal on a searched for game have to deal with greedy fools trying to “get theirs” for their average pins.
I don't particularly agree with that argument , if someone asks a lot of money for a pin and it sells for that much , well then that's what it's worth . I'm not a fan of how much prices are rising but it is what it is .
Just like this rusty piece of crap that sold for over $300,000 the only reason it sold for that much is because they only made a 6-in that color . I don't think it's worth that much but other people do , so it is worth that much .
Quoted from underlord:Besides, no proof the sale ever even happened.
Thunderbird is a stand up guy , if he said it happened , it happened .
We have to pay Crazy Prices over here
IMG_20200810_201713 (resized).jpgQuoted from JodyG:No thanks....that upper playfield looks quite annoying and lame.
Yeah, not a fan of any upper playfield really.
It does illustrate that if Queen was done right, it would be a ton of fun.
QS re-theme with Beatles pricing - no thanks.
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Would be a great Vpin.
Quoted from Psw757:I think it’s going to be a classic Queen and a new layout LZ to close the year out and it’s going to put the hurt on JJP’s GNR.
Maybe Stern smell blood in the water and have switched releases round to bleed JJP dry of sales. Queen is huge and Led Zep although not my thing will appeal to large market with a lot of hardcore fans.
JJP shouldn’t have released that tease and then all but confirmed it was GnR if they didn’t have anything else to follow it up. You don’t release a teaser then show nothing for the next 3 months.
Quoted from Psw757:I think it’s going to be a classic Queen and a new layout LZ to close the year out and it’s going to put the hurt on JJP’s GNR.
I think it's going to "hurt" MY wallet if Stern releases these rumored pins back to back etc...:
-Led Zeppelin
-Back To The Future Remake
-Tron VE / Tron 82'
-JAWS
-Goonies
Quoted from J85M:Maybe Stern smell blood in the water and have switched releases round to bleed .....
To bleed MY wallet with JAWS
Quoted from mrclean:I think it's going to "hurt" MY wallet if Stern releases these rumored pins back to back etc...:
-Led Zeppelin
-Back To The Future Remake
-Tron VE / Tron 82'
-JAWS
-GooniesTo bleed MY wallet with JAWS
Goonies is another that is high on my want list
With the rumors of something Marvel related my two guesses are something Infinity Gauntlet-related or Thor. If they make an IG pin and have a mechanism where you collect 6 balls representing the gems and lock it into a gauntlet mechanism that would be beyond awesome!
Could Led Zepellin be a code name for Thor? Immigrant Song and everything?
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