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Am I the only one who feels there's just no innovation left in pinball? Go ahead and rage - I put my internet flame suit on lol
Adding an LCD or internet connectivity/interactive game play ... how is that innovation? It's literally regurgitated technology from the 90's and 2000's incorporated into 2020? Egads! I haven't followed the wireless progress but have they even implemented having the machine auto backup and update the firmware yet? Yep, still early 2000's tech there too if so. But then what?
I love pinball I really do. But it just feels like we've "more or less" reached a point of rethemed machines. I look at the P3 systems and I applaud them for their efforts. But the bottom half of the pf is always the same and the top half is generally pretty lackluster as well excluding their latest "Heist" is really a good effort!
I understand it's all about money, but what would you be willing to pay for a machine that is dynamic in play instead of static?
Taking a widebody and setting it up as a standard body. Maybe the playfield would be on a motorized rotisserie. Another playfield/world on the bottom side that flips over. Almost everything could be modular so rarely ever a need to work from the bottom side. Yes, weighing in at more than a JJP widebody by a lot.
OR:
Maybe the playfield toy sinks, flips over and a new toy appears? (Might require a deeper cabinet bottom but so what?)
OR:
Subways with diverters that have the ability to randomize play?
OR:
Ramps attached to coils or motors that can randomize play?
And on a different tangeant - why not offer new code for classics such as LOTR (or insert whatever title here)? If we're willing to dump $400 into a color screen would you not spend another $400 to add modes to your already beloved pin? Yes, people think that's BS that the updates should be free - but view it like a vehicle. You get a warranty and after the warranty is over you own it. You can still buy OEM parts to fix/improve your vehicle.
Quoted from CLEllison:Am I the only one who feels there's just no innovation left in pinball? Go ahead and rage - I put my internet flame suit on lol
Adding an LCD or internet connectivity/interactive game play ... how is that innovation? It's literally regurgitated technology from the 90's and 2000's incorporated into 2020? Egads! I haven't followed the wireless progress but have they even implemented having the machine auto backup and update the firmware yet? Yep, still early 2000's tech there too if so. But then what?
I love pinball I really do. But it just feels like we've "more or less" reached a point of rethemed machines. I look at the P3 systems and I applaud them for their efforts. But the bottom half of the pf is always the same and the top half is generally pretty lackluster as well excluding their latest "Heist" is really a good effort!
I understand it's all about money, but what would you be willing to pay for a machine that is dynamic in play instead of static?
Taking a widebody and setting it up as a standard body. Maybe the playfield would be on a motorized rotisserie. Another playfield/world on the bottom side that flips over. Almost everything could be modular so rarely ever a need to work from the bottom side. Yes, weighing in at more than a JJP widebody by a lot.
OR:
Maybe the playfield toy sinks, flips over and a new toy appears? (Might require a deeper cabinet bottom but so what?)
OR:
Subways with diverters that have the ability to randomize play?
OR:
Ramps attached to coils or motors that can randomize play?
And on a different tangeant - why not offer new code for classics such as LOTR (or insert whatever title here)? If we're willing to dump $400 into a color screen would you not spend another $400 to add modes to your already beloved pin? Yes, people think that's BS that the updates should be free - but view it like a vehicle. You get a warranty and after the warranty is over you own it. You can still buy OEM parts to fix/improve your vehicle.
I’m new to this so everything is exiting to me but you make a real good point .Just as in movies constantly going to the past for remakes .Its like some dont want to put the time in to bring an idea from the ground up .Yes there are new pin company’s out that take a chance like AP and Spooky on titles alone and lots of credit to them for sure .Yes unfortunately it’s all about the mighty $ but at some point fresh ideas are needed for layout.Theres space in these cabinets as is to add a few inches in depth to take advantage of space and have a 2 level pin as opposed to upper play fields that eat that space up .Anyway I’m happy as things are for now I have purchased my first 2 this year and as far as changing things up I couldn’t have gotten off to a better start !!Next up my kids are picking next 2 my oldest 12 wants FG and youngest 11 wants WCS .Movie,music,sports and comedy .I only have room for 5 n the fifth spot will be saved for something new like you just talked about .
7FD0BF37-0CC4-420C-B0A2-A4BEA85506BE (resized).jpegQuoted from CLEllison:Am I the only one who feels there's just no innovation left in pinball? Go ahead and rage - I put my internet flame suit on lol
Adding an LCD or internet connectivity/interactive game play ... how is that innovation? It's literally regurgitated technology from the 90's and 2000's incorporated into 2020? Egads! I haven't followed the wireless progress but have they even implemented having the machine auto backup and update the firmware yet? Yep, still early 2000's tech there too if so. But then what?
I love pinball I really do. But it just feels like we've "more or less" reached a point of rethemed machines. I look at the P3 systems and I applaud them for their efforts. But the bottom half of the pf is always the same and the top half is generally pretty lackluster as well excluding their latest "Heist" is really a good effort!
I understand it's all about money, but what would you be willing to pay for a machine that is dynamic in play instead of static?
Taking a widebody and setting it up as a standard body. Maybe the playfield would be on a motorized rotisserie. Another playfield/world on the bottom side that flips over. Almost everything could be modular so rarely ever a need to work from the bottom side. Yes, weighing in at more than a JJP widebody by a lot.
OR:
Maybe the playfield toy sinks, flips over and a new toy appears? (Might require a deeper cabinet bottom but so what?)
OR:
Subways with diverters that have the ability to randomize play?
OR:
Ramps attached to coils or motors that can randomize play?
And on a different tangeant - why not offer new code for classics such as LOTR (or insert whatever title here)? If we're willing to dump $400 into a color screen would you not spend another $400 to add modes to your already beloved pin? Yes, people think that's BS that the updates should be free - but view it like a vehicle. You get a warranty and after the warranty is over you own it. You can still buy OEM parts to fix/improve your vehicle.
I'd like to see innovation by changing the size of the ball. 1 1/16 inch is currently standard. How much more could you fit into a game if you use 3/4 inch balls? How about 6 ramps in one machine? At the same time you could sink the playfield deeper into the cabinet and have much more room for crazy toys. Of course this is all expensive but if companies through their BOM all at the playfield, what could they accomplish?
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I'd like to see innovation by changing the size of the ball. 1 1/16 inch is currently standard. How much more could you fit into a game if you use 3/4 inch balls? How about 6 ramps in one machine? At the same time you could sink the playfield deeper into the cabinet and have much more room for crazy toys. Of course this is all expensive but if companies through their BOM all at the playfield, what could they accomplish?
I think a company trying what you said would be an innovative move and cool to see what could be done with it. Might change the whole future of pins and lead to new ideas.
Hamilton, ON
Quoted from CLEllison:Am I the only one who feels there's just no innovation left in pinball? Go ahead and rage - I put my internet flame suit on lol
Adding an LCD or internet connectivity/interactive game play ... how is that innovation? It's literally regurgitated technology from the 90's and 2000's incorporated into 2020? Egads! I haven't followed the wireless progress but have they even implemented having the machine auto backup and update the firmware yet? Yep, still early 2000's tech there too if so. But then what?
I love pinball I really do. But it just feels like we've "more or less" reached a point of rethemed machines. I look at the P3 systems and I applaud them for their efforts. But the bottom half of the pf is always the same and the top half is generally pretty lackluster as well excluding their latest "Heist" is really a good effort!
I understand it's all about money, but what would you be willing to pay for a machine that is dynamic in play instead of static?
Taking a widebody and setting it up as a standard body. Maybe the playfield would be on a motorized rotisserie. Another playfield/world on the bottom side that flips over. Almost everything could be modular so rarely ever a need to work from the bottom side. Yes, weighing in at more than a JJP widebody by a lot.
OR:
Maybe the playfield toy sinks, flips over and a new toy appears? (Might require a deeper cabinet bottom but so what?)
OR:
Subways with diverters that have the ability to randomize play?
OR:
Ramps attached to coils or motors that can randomize play?
And on a different tangeant - why not offer new code for classics such as LOTR (or insert whatever title here)? If we're willing to dump $400 into a color screen would you not spend another $400 to add modes to your already beloved pin? Yes, people think that's BS that the updates should be free - but view it like a vehicle. You get a warranty and after the warranty is over you own it. You can still buy OEM parts to fix/improve your vehicle.
There is just so much to disagree with here...
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Quoted from V8haha:So what’s the rumor? What’s the next game?
It seems everyone thinks it will be Led Zeppelin. I’m holding out for a JAWS. Fingers crossed. I’d also be interested in a Godzilla...especially if they did Godzilla vs Kong (that’s supposed to be the third and final Godzilla film).
Gomez said the next cornerstone will be in the fall.
https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/superawesomepinballshow/id/15277331,
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Gomez said the next cornerstone will be in the fall.
https://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/show/superawesomepinballshow/id/15277331,
It sounded like they have a bunch of orders to catch up on along with all the turtles to build. Really great interview with really good discussion and insight from George. Highly recommend.
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:It seems everyone thinks it will be Led Zeppelin. I’m holding out for a JAWS. Fingers crossed. I’d also be interested in a Godzilla...especially if they did Godzilla vs Kong (that’s supposed to be the third and final Godzilla film).
I'd also like to see Godzilla.
No more music pins for awhile for me , unless it's Borg doing Lawrence Welk.
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Quoted from NoQuarters:I'd also like to see Godzilla.
No more music pins for awhile for me , unless it's Borg doing Lawrence Welk.
Unless it’s Borg doing Queen 
Quoted from cpr9999:Unless it’s Borg doing Queen
No - I think he is working on Welk. It was pushed off quite a number of years. I think it's finally coming.
Quoted from cpr9999:Unless it’s Borg doing Queen
I'd be more interested in a machine based on the Star Trek Borg Queen.
Quoted from guss:My mother the pinball machine.
Id play it, again, with some great knockers too!
Quoted from BMHouze:Bad Cats II
Need I say more.
Bad Cats II: Heathcliff's Revenge
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Quoted from Charlemagne1987:It seems everyone thinks it will be Led Zeppelin. I’m holding out for a JAWS. Fingers crossed. I’d also be interested in a Godzilla...especially if they did Godzilla vs Kong (that’s supposed to be the third and final Godzilla film).
Led zeppelin was thrown out there to throw people off the scent. For the most part it worked.
Has to be the Warriors and Escape from New York .
It's like they're made for pinball with the missions- modes .
If I had to pick I would go the Warriors , such great call outs .
Quoted from Charlemagne1987:It seems everyone thinks it will be Led Zeppelin. I’m holding out for a JAWS. Fingers crossed. I’d also be interested in a Godzilla...especially if they did Godzilla vs Kong (that’s supposed to be the third and final Godzilla film).
Hopefully Elwin is next.
Warrington
Quoted from J85M:Gotto be Steve Ritchie next, he’s not been on design since BKSOR, we’ve had Elwin and Borg drop a game since then.
That is why I hope Elwin is next Lol
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Quoted from frankmac:That is why I hope Elwin is next Lol
Too soon. Do you really want Stern to release another 0.29 coded game right now, like they did with BM66 just for the sake of releasing a game?
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Too soon. Do you really want Stern to release another 0.29 coded game right now, like they did with BM66 just for the sake of releasing a game?
With an Elwin playfield... sure!
Quoted from PinballManiac40:Too soon. Do you really want Stern to release another 0.29 coded game right now, like they did with BM66 just for the sake of releasing a game?
Elwin might have had a few concepts in his back pocket ready to go.. I believe he has his hand in the code also. I am ok with a Richie pin.. SW and BKSOR did not make me jump for joy..
Steve Ritchie stopped trying years ago. Always more of the same. Nothing to get excited about. Ill.have already played something very similar.
Quoted from KnockerPTSD:Steve Ritchie stopped trying years ago. Always more of the same. Nothing to get excited about. Ill.have already played something very similar.
I was really surprised how the Stern Star Trek was such a rehash of ST:TNG. It really just seems like the same design squeezed into a standard body machine with the cannons removed.
It also surprises me at how highly rated the Stern game is. My reaction was "Eh...I've already played a better version of this." (and I am a big Star Trek fan)
Wow I don't agree with that at all. Stern star trek doesn't feel anything like ST:TNG - completely different. Now if you say Stern star trek plays similar to spiderman, I'd say your onto something. SR has found a successful formula at Stern he follows and he doesn't deviate too much from it so his next game will look and feel familiar.
Quoted from mbeardsley:I was really surprised how the Stern Star Trek was such a rehash of ST:TNG. It really just seems like the same design squeezed into a standard body machine with the cannons removed.
It also surprises me at how highly rated the Stern game is. My reaction was "Eh...I've already played a better version of this." (and I am a big Star Trek fan)
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Quoted from luvthatapex2:SR has found a successful formula at Stern he follows and he doesn't deviate too much from it so his next game will look and feel familiar.
He's been doing it way before Stern.
Quoted from mbeardsley:I was really surprised how the Stern Star Trek was such a rehash of ST:TNG.
Quoted from BMHouze:Bad Cats II
Need I say more.
I can never tell if bad cats references are real or a joke. I had one many years ago and never thought it was a great machine. But then I saw the one on pinside for $4K plus. Just curious...
Quoted from luvthatapex2:Wow I don't agree with that at all. Stern star trek doesn't feel anything like ST:TNG - completely different. Now if you say Stern star trek plays similar to spiderman, I'd say your onto something. SR has found a successful formula at Stern he follows and he doesn't deviate too much from it so his next game will look and feel familiar.
Don't really see how you could miss it. Let's see...
1) 3 flippers - in the same positions
2) stand up targets just above the slingshots (on both sides)
3) loop with spinner going from left to right (to the right upper flipper)
4) left side ramp that loops around back to encourage repeat loops
5) center lock underneath large model of enemy spaceship
6) "alpha quadrant" ramp just to the left of the center lock, returning to left flipper
7) standup target just to the right of the center lock
8) "beta quadrant" ramp just to the right of that
Yes, there are some differences - mainly the removal of the cannons and the additions of the left side lock and the right side (behind the flipper) lane.
But these are mainly to reduce costs and to deal with the smaller playfield area of a standard body game.
Quoted from mbeardsley:I was really surprised how the Stern Star Trek was such a rehash of ST:TNG. It really just seems like the same design squeezed into a standard body machine with the cannons removed.
I've never liked STTNG and always said "if they made this in a standard body with regular outlanes, I'd buy one." Stern did, and I did! Those wide cannons ruin the playfield geometry. Worst slingshots ever. Good riddance. Also, no lame video mode.
Yes I realize I'm in the minority.
Quoted from luvthatapex2:SR has found a successful formula at Stern he follows and he doesn't deviate too much from it so his next game will look and feel familiar.
Steve has two games: 2 flipper & 3 flipper. I hope he proves me wrong.
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So the next game won’t be a John Borg game obviously. Even a Keith Elwin game is unlikely since Jurassic Park is still fresh.
I suspect it will either be a Steve Ritchie or George Gomez game. Personally I would love to se another Gomez game. 
Quoted from Midway-Man:Personally I would love to see another Gomez game.
My impression is that he's busy enough being the EVP/CCO that he only works on special projects, no cornerstones. Deadpool seems to be an outlier, emergency bailout of you-know-who.
Quoted from Psw757:SR Led Zep next and can’t wait as I tend to like his games!
Can't wait for Zeppelin as well been waiting for this one for a while.
Quoted from yancy:My impression is that he's busy enough being the EVP/CCO that he only works on special projects, no cornerstones. Deadpool seems to be an outlier, emergency bailout of you-know-who.
George Gomez is a video game and pinball icon for sure. I was sorry to see he got spanked on Transformers. But he personally ignored the Optimus Prime roadblock for a year!
Steve Ritchie lost credibility with Dimple-gate, but again, love his stuff.
Amazing how long it takes to build rep and how quickly it can get damaged.
Quoted from CLEllison:Am I the only one who feels there's just no innovation left in pinball? Go ahead and rage - I put my internet flame suit on lol
Adding an LCD or internet connectivity/interactive game play ... how is that innovation? It's literally regurgitated technology from the 90's and 2000's incorporated into 2020? Egads! I haven't followed the wireless progress but have they even implemented having the machine auto backup and update the firmware yet? Yep, still early 2000's tech there too if so. But then what?
I love pinball I really do. But it just feels like we've "more or less" reached a point of rethemed machines. I look at the P3 systems and I applaud them for their efforts. But the bottom half of the pf is always the same and the top half is generally pretty lackluster as well excluding their latest "Heist" is really a good effort!
I understand it's all about money, but what would you be willing to pay for a machine that is dynamic in play instead of static?
Taking a widebody and setting it up as a standard body. Maybe the playfield would be on a motorized rotisserie. Another playfield/world on the bottom side that flips over. Almost everything could be modular so rarely ever a need to work from the bottom side. Yes, weighing in at more than a JJP widebody by a lot.
OR:
Maybe the playfield toy sinks, flips over and a new toy appears? (Might require a deeper cabinet bottom but so what?)
OR:
Subways with diverters that have the ability to randomize play?
OR:
Ramps attached to coils or motors that can randomize play?
And on a different tangeant - why not offer new code for classics such as LOTR (or insert whatever title here)? If we're willing to dump $400 into a color screen would you not spend another $400 to add modes to your already beloved pin? Yes, people think that's BS that the updates should be free - but view it like a vehicle. You get a warranty and after the warranty is over you own it. You can still buy OEM parts to fix/improve your vehicle.
YES! look back at all thethings that were done in the sixties and forgotten. Roto wheels, gobble holes, backglass animation..
Oktoberfest! was the most refreshing title in a long time, Not another redo. unlike any Stern in years.
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