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**The Next Stern Pin**


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#7501 5 months ago
Quoted from northvibe:

I mean how many people REALLY want to buy a lotr for 7-8k? Tron was in the same boat and how many "vaults" do you think they sold on that final run.
I would love to see some games redone but from a business standpoint, I just don't see the profits of it being worth it.

Not only that but how many people want LOTR that don't already own one or owned one in the past? And then you get into how many of those can actually afford a premium+ price for a new one. I also don't think many locations want an old looking expensive game when they can get a pro with lcd, better sound, and modern theme for much less.

So far, it seems like the vaults are just low hanging fruit that Stern fills gaps in production to keep workers busy. New art/code is one thing but redoing an entire game and running on a different boardset sounds pretty complicated. Stern would also have to deal with licensing and that could turn into a headache if they want to do new art and code. I don't see the business sense in doing that for a very limited run.

#7502 5 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

No matter how durable SAM is, you're never getting stereo sound out of an original LotR. Ever. There are other advantages you get with Spike that you won't have on an original LotR. I'm fine with rolling the dice because the list of improvements is LOOOOONG. If you want to stick with the limitations of the original SAM release, that's fine. There are thousands out there for you to buy and fix up.
Once the LotR Spike is released, those ALSO FLAWED originals will be a lot cheaper for you. <- Why you should want LotR Spike

LOTR was Whitestar wasn’t it? There’s no original LOTR SAM release..

SAM games where what, mono? But AC/DC, TRON, IRONMAN just to name a few sound great, night and day compared to Whitestar games. I’d happily take a LOTR and TSPP SAM vault if it ment they could actually happen and be released.

#7503 5 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

LOTR was Whitestar wasn’t it? There’s no original LOTR SAM release..

Yes, but I was responding to YOUR post a page ago where you inscrutably said "put them (LotR and Simpsons) on SAM."

I don't make the dumb statements, I just reply to them.

#7504 5 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Yes, but I was responding to YOUR post a page ago where you inscrutably said "put them (LotR and Simpsons) on SAM."
I don't make the dumb statements, I just reply to them.

Well you replied to tranquilize in the quote I’ve taken from you above but regardless I standby my original statement give me both of those on SAM.

Audio could be massively improved over Whitestar with better quality audio files and that’s all that really needs upgrading over the original, other than Hi Res art but that’s a given these days.

I would rather have the mono sound of SAM which sounds great on TRON, AC/DC etc over the flakey node boards of Spike2.

#7505 5 months ago

Interesting?
I bought LOTR new in box back in the beginning.
Head scratcher at the time between that and Simpsons.

Was a fun game no doubt but for me I never need to own it again. Got boring over time.

Hobbit on the other hand 4 me is a masterpiece I'll never let go of.
Weird right?

Love Stern machines as they are very very reliable.
Love Jersey Jack machines because they feel amazing and play great. Not quite as reliable though.
Hey that's Pinball Man.

#7506 5 months ago

I found a simple solution for not caring about stereo sound on LOTR or any other pin. Just go deaf in one ear and then you get to enjoy mono for the rest of your life.

#7507 5 months ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I'd take the flipper fade any day to have a real board to work on.

I wouldn't. Played a 70 minute game where I was two shots from Valinor, but the ring shot had become impossible. I'll take my chances with Spike boards.

#7508 5 months ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

I found a simple solution for not caring about stereo sound on LOTR or any other pin.

So did I. Speakers are 20" apart and five feet from your head in a playing stance. It's irrelevant.

#7509 5 months ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

Not only that but how many people want LOTR that don't already own one or owned one in the past? And then you get into how many of those can actually afford a premium+ price for a new one. I also don't think many locations want an old looking expensive game when they can get a pro with lcd, better sound, and modern theme for much less.
So far, it seems like the vaults are just low hanging fruit that Stern fills gaps in production to keep workers busy. New art/code is one thing but redoing an entire game and running on a different boardset sounds pretty complicated. Stern would also have to deal with licensing and that could turn into a headache if they want to do new art and code. I don't see the business sense in doing that for a very limited run.

Yeah. I just can't see it. The theme is old and gone, the market has a bunch and we have a few people on pinside speaking up about it but where is this demand? I loved LOTR's and love my lotr but the theme isn't common place anymore. People are onto something new.

#7510 5 months ago
Quoted from northvibe:

. People are onto something new.

Not in this thread.....

#7511 5 months ago
Quoted from northvibe:

I loved LOTR's and love my lotr but the theme isn't common place anymore. People are onto something new.

Then why do vaults at all? The reason is to take pins that were\are very popular, and remake them (with some marginal improvements - see MM, MB, IM, etc).

LOTR and TRON certainly check those boxes and are great candidates for vaulting. Of course, they will still make new pins as well in addition to the vault builds.

#7512 5 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

Then why do vaults at all? The reason is to take pins that were\are very popular, and remake them (with some marginal improvements - see MM, MB, IM, etc).
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I wouldnt count any of those titles though. The first work with the CGC business model where they dont make any BUT remakes (so far) and IM seems more like Stern using up spare parts than responding to a demand. If they cared about demand they would absolutely run LOTR, Simpsons and Tron but I still think those vault demands are way lower than the demand for new titles and themes. (Especially if we are talking in the wild)
I personally like a Tron with the 80s movie treatment like they did with Batmanor the upcoming Transformers but I'm not holding my breath.

#7513 5 months ago
Quoted from yancy:

So did I. Speakers are 20" apart and five feet from your head in a playing stance. It's irrelevant.

The stereo complaints have always been recockulus. DE were in stereo...sound good?

#7514 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I wouldnt count any of those titles though.

I'm certainly not counting on them - but wouldn't be surprised if they did them either.

#7515 5 months ago

Tron remake from 80's and I'm in 100%
Even at 8k

#7516 5 months ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

The stereo complaints have always been recockulus. DE were in stereo...sound good?

Stereo with a terrible sampling rate is worse than mono with decent sampling.

#7517 5 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

Then why do vaults at all? The reason is to take pins that were\are very popular, and remake them (with some marginal improvements - see MM, MB, IM, etc).
LOTR and TRON certainly check those boxes and are great candidates for vaulting. Of course, they will still make new pins as well in addition to the vault builds.

What vaults has stern done? They were good games but were they block buster sell outs or highly wanted? The tron vault/last run maybe. Otherwise it’s a game they can throw on the line in between their main titles to keep production. It isn’t for us hyper pinball people. If this was the case why would they vault Ironman.....again. Or comic Spider-Man. No one was clamoring for a Spider-man. With how many hou Lotrs are for sale, why isn’t everyone buying those instead of waiting for a vault?

#7518 5 months ago

Time for Van Helsing! I know it’s 15 years old but plaster Kate all over and charging warewolves n flying vamps w Kate n Hugh soundovers ,what more do you want in a pin? Long story line if it hits plenty to work with .Im a newbie but the bug is in me n thoughts keep moving toward that .Buds I just turned 50 picked up my first pin WOZRR as I finished basement finally and started looking for arcade games and watched MB LE trailer now I’m infected n wife wants to boot me out .Lmao

#7519 5 months ago
Quoted from Kkoss24:

Time for Van Helsing! I know it’s 15 years old but plaster Kate all over and charging warewolves n flying vamps w Kate n Hugh soundovers ,what more do you want in a pin? Long story line if it hits plenty to work with .Im a newbie but the bug is in me n thoughts keep moving toward that .Buds I just turned 50 picked up my first pin WOZRR as I finished basement finally and started looking for arcade games and watched MB LE trailer now I’m infected n wife wants to boot me out .Lmao

Welcome to the sickness...

#7520 5 months ago
Quoted from yancy:

So did I. Speakers are 20" apart and five feet from your head in a playing stance. It's irrelevant.

Not if you use head phones.

Quoted from vireland:

Stereo with a terrible sampling rate is worse than mono with decent sampling.

This is true.
Also, what many people don't understand is that if a recording is properly done in mono, it will sound better than stereo sound being played in mono. This is due to the phase cancellations that can occur by combining left and right signals into mono that were intended to be separated in stereo. I wish I could buy music recorded like this. But not enough one eared gimps like me around to market it.

#7521 5 months ago
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#7522 5 months ago

My dads nickname was Wild Bill just lost him to covid in late March God bless his fun loving soul!!! Love the name wear it well my friend !!!

#7523 5 months ago

National lampoons Vacation or Better off dead!

#7524 5 months ago

Kinda interested in this 80's Transformers remake/vault, I had forgotten about that rumor. Here's hoping it gets at least a small rules tweak to spruce things up a bit - I suppose that is wishful thinking.

Were there any rule changes with SMVE?? Of course TF doesn't compare to SM rule wise, so maybe there is a better chance they spend some time there...

#7525 5 months ago
Quoted from PinKopf:

Kinda interested in this 80's Transformers remake/vault, I had forgotten about that rumor. Here's hoping it gets at least a small rules tweak to spruce things up a bit - I suppose that is wishful thinking.
Were there any rule changes with SMVE?? Of course TF doesn't compare to SM rule wise, so maybe there is a better chance they spend some time there...

No amount of awesome art can fix this game for me. It is literally the only pinball machine at the place I take my son to play and I still dont want to play it anymore. Piece of crap imo

#7526 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

Piece of crap imo

At least the lro is better

#7527 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

No amount of awesome art can fix this game for me. It is literally the only pinball machine at the place I take my son to play and I still dont want to play it anymore. Piece of crap imo

My barber used to only have Avengers. I didn't even like looking at it, let alone playing it. LOL. They are both just horrible games.

#7528 5 months ago

I was thinking about a computer game theme that would be interesting and I remembered Shadow Warrior 2. That game had the most beautiful graphics I ever saw in a game. The Chinese landscapes and architectures where breath taking. Great music and also the humor. This would make a killer theme for a pin. You would play the main character - Lo Wang.

#7529 5 months ago

Next Stern title.
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The clear coat says.
Crunch, Crunch!

#7530 5 months ago

What sound does Stern clear coat make?

"Chip, Chip"

#7531 5 months ago
Quoted from Shoot_Again:

Next Stern title.
[quoted image]
The clear coat says.
Crunch, Crunch!

Stern would take an awesome theme like See and Say and screw it up. It would end up with the tired fan layout, 2 ramps, 3 pops, and a loop. Every mode will be a 18 minute long continuous mess with no clear goal and 18 lamps strobing 6 different colors. The worst part will come when they dont pay Fisher Price for total rights and use a voice actor to say "The cow goes moo" and its nothing like the toy we all grew up with and loved.

Also it will dimple and chip.

#7532 5 months ago
Quoted from freeplay3:

Stern would take an awesome theme like See and Say and screw it up. It would end up with the tired fan layout, 2 ramps, 3 pops, and a loop. Every mode will be a 18 minute long continuous mess with no clear goal and 18 lamps strobing 6 different colors. The worst part will come when they dont pay Fisher Price for total rights and use a voice actor to say "The cow goes moo" and its nothing like the toy we all grew up with and loved.
Also it will dimple and chip.

So why are you in this thread?
Bitch bitch bitch all day?

#7533 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

So why are you in this thread?
Bitch bitch bitch all day?

Yeah, how can he bitch about see & say? And oh this glorious voice acting!

(Hint: I think it's a joke.)

#7534 5 months ago

I'm assuming Stern won't announce the next pin until the majority of operators are opened again?

#7535 5 months ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Yeah, how can he bitch about see & say? And oh this glorious voice acting!
(Hint: I think it's a joke.)

I guess I should have put up a sarcasm
Emoji.

#7536 5 months ago
Quoted from freeplay3:

an awesome theme like See and Say

this is the part where I caught on that it was a joke

#7537 5 months ago
Quoted from freeplay3:

I guess I should have put up a sarcasm
Emoji.

The dumping on the usual things Stern haters come in here to dump in didnt seem too sarcastic but my bad.

#7538 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

The dumping on the usual things Stern haters come in here to dump in didnt seem too sarcastic but my bad.

Might have been worth checking his collection he owns 6 Sterns that’s 5 more than you and has owned a dozen other Sterns in the past, clearly not a Stern hater.

People always jump to conclusions here with the Stern bashing, likewise would it be fair to jump to the conclusion that your a Stern fan boy who gives them a pass no matter what?

#7539 5 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Might have been worth checking his collection he owns 6 Sterns that’s 5 more than you and has owned a dozen other Sterns in the past, clearly not a Stern hater.
People always jump to conclusions here with the Stern bashing, likewise it would be in fair to jump to the conclusion that your a Stern fan boy who gives them a pass no matter what?

#7540 5 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Might have been worth checking his collection he owns 6 Sterns that’s 5 more than you and has owned a dozen other Sterns in the past, clearly not a Stern hater.
People always jump to conclusions here with the Stern bashing, likewise it would be in fair to jump to the conclusion that your a Stern fan boy who gives them a pass no matter what?

#7541 5 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Might have been worth checking his collection he owns 6 Sterns that’s 5 more than you and has owned a dozen other Sterns in the past, clearly not a Stern hater.
People always jump to conclusions here with the Stern bashing, likewise it would be in fair to jump to the conclusion that your a Stern fan boy who gives them a pass no matter what?

Your 2 statements kind of negate eachother when I only own 1 Stern atm. Maiden, DP and JP are great games so I get sick of the tired Stern only makes fan layouts bs. Also fan layouts work when not over used. I said my bad. Very adult of you to persist though. Cheers

Also I took your advice. YOUR games and wanted list are almost exclusively Stern so who cares? A good game is a good game. Stern has good and bad like the rest of them.

#7542 5 months ago

And Stern games are actually playable in the wild. I never see Spooky, American or Jersey Jack games but in collectors houses.
Some CGC and older Bally/Williams (getting rarer) on location but Stern are obviously more prevelant on location than anything. I like whoever puts a pinball machine somewhere I can play it

#7543 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

And Stern games are actually playable in the wild. I never see Spooky, American or Jersey Jack games but in collectors houses.
Some CGC and older Bally/Williams (getting rarer) on location but Stern are obviously more prevelant on location than anything. I like whoever puts a pinball machine somewhere I can play it

Never seen a Stern pin with the new display on location, but played both JJP games and American Pinball

#7544 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:And Stern games are actually playable in the wild. I never see Spooky, American or Jersey Jack games but in collectors houses.
Some CGC and older Bally/Williams (getting rarer) on location but Stern are obviously more prevelant on location than anything. I like whoever puts a pinball machine somewhere I can play it

Bar by me has/had 6 new sterns, a WOZ and an Oktoberfest on the floor. Before the shutdown

#7545 5 months ago
Quoted from yancy:

I wouldn't. Played a 70 minute game where I was two shots from Valinor, but the ring shot had become impossible. I'll take my chances with Spike boards.

Although I know there have been massive complaints on this; I've owned LOTR since Dec 2003 and have to admit I have never experienced "flipper fade." I don't know why

EDIT: My game has all the original flipper parts and have never been rebuilt. Yep, original coil stops too.

#7546 5 months ago

Most of my games are on route. Only the older wms games are at my house. I just pulled Wonka from the route and sold it. Here in the detroit area there is no problem finding pinballs to play...pre covid

#7547 5 months ago
Quoted from JonCBrand:

Bar by me has/had 6 new sterns, a WOZ and an Oktoberfest on the floor. Before the shutdown

Didnt say they weren't in ANY locations. Just not enough locations. I've still never played WOZ for example. Not that I've been actively searching it out but non Stern games are definitely more commonly seen in someone's house. Obviously this will vary city to city but I'd wager that less cities have public locations to play these titles than you might think. It's not like I live in the boons either. I'm 40min from Toronto

ammendment- Stern PROS are almost everywhere. I havent played anywhere near as many premiums and almost none in the wild.

#7548 5 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

Didnt say they weren't in ANY locations. Just not enough locations. I've still never played WOZ for example. Not that I've been actively searching it out but non Stern games are definitely more commonly seen in someone's house. Obviously this will vary city to city but I'd wager that less cities have public locations to play these titles than you might think. It's not like I live in the boons either. I'm 40min from Toronto
ammendment- Stern PROS are almost everywhere. I havent played anywhere near as many premiums and almost none in the wild.

If you ever come to Pittsburgh be sure to hit up Helicon Brewery- 35-70 games depending on the time of the year. Plenty of Pro, Premiums, and LE's. I have paid a game from all manufacturers there.

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#7549 5 months ago

So the next stern is ninja turtles?

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#7550 5 months ago

No turtles, led zepp please!!!!!!

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