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#7451 3 months ago
Quoted from Goronic:

I THINK THIS IS YELLING!

What do you think is whispering?

#7452 3 months ago
Quoted from SkillShot:

You can hear him?

I can read punctuation

#7453 3 months ago
Quoted from gliebig:

Hear the next game is Tiger King.

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#7454 86 days ago
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#7455 86 days ago

a ninja turtles teaser would be oh so nice right about meow...

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#7458 85 days ago
Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

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I think this is spooky's they teamed up with AP with....

EDIT: opps not AP, CGC

#7459 85 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

I think this is spooky's they teamed up with AP with....

Really? Man I’m not digging that art, gives me thunderbirds vibes.

#7460 85 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

I think this is spooky's they teamed up with AP with....

I thought Spooky teamed up with CGC & Ben Heck

#7461 85 days ago
Quoted from ausretrogamer:

I thought Spooky teamed up with CGC & Ben Heck

Oh sorry, yes it was chicago gaming. And ben heck supposedly already did the game or had wanted to but they couldn't afford the license at the time.

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#7462 73 days ago

What's the likelihood Stern will remake LOTR with a spike system? Has this already been confirmed? I read something a while back and can't find it now.

#7463 73 days ago

No one knows. I'd love a vaulted LOTR with improved artwork -- either better resolution or even a new art package (like Alan Lee or something). Price of used machines is hitting $7K+.

#7464 72 days ago
Quoted from imagamejunky:

What's the likelihood Stern will remake LOTR with a spike system? Has this already been confirmed? I read something a while back and can't find it now.

Spike is the only LotR that makes sense because you get rid of the flipper coil fade and add color screen, LED lighting, stereo sound, shaker motor, network connectivity, plus a new high res art package etc. There are too many positives to a Spike LotR Vault, and Stern would sell a TON of them, especially with the Amazon LotR series coming.

Stern denies everything until the day it comes out. They denied Luci vault was even possible literally days before it was announced. Gomez has said that if the market is demanding something, they will find a way to do it. With the crazy prices of used LotRs, the market is clearly sending a "buy" signal and has been a while now. I just wonder how far into the HD graphics re-do Stern is already for the spike version...

#7465 72 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Spike is the only LotR that makes sense because you get rid of the flipper coil fade and add color screen, LED lighting, stereo sound, shaker motor, network connectivity, plus a new high res art package etc. There are too many positives to a Spike LotR Vault, and Stern would sell a TON of them, especially with the Amazon LotR series coming.
Stern denies everything until the day it comes out. They denied Luci vault was even possible literally days before it was announced. Gomez has said that if the market is demanding something, they will find a way to do it. With the crazy prices of used LotRs, the market is clearly sending a "buy" signal and has been a while now. I just wonder how far into the HD graphics re-do Stern is already for the spike version...

I doubt Spike would have capability to drive HD graphics LCD
I guess it would not be difficult to add required hardware.

However only Stern Pinball knows what options they MAY take.

1. Lotr Vault VE
2. Lotr 2020 Spike 3 Flagship re-boot

Perhaps there needs to be a poll ?

I'm guessing a pretty even split at this time.

My preference would be for a Hardcore, new system ( Spike 3) Lotr re-boot.
LCD display, Upgraded audio, new art etc.

Edit
I was way ahead of myself there,, Lotr
Was Whitestar

https://www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=4858

#7466 72 days ago
Quoted from RA77:

I doubt Spike would have capability to drive HD graphics LCD

Technically 720p is HD. Spike displays are 1366x768, so they are already doing HD.

And doing an entire LotR reboot instead of a Spike Vault version defeats the purpose of taking an established, well-loved, deep, tested ruleset and just giving it a graphical and tech makeover. It can be relatively simple and straightforward, and most of all relatively CHEAP to produce. All the R&D is paid for, and there's a huge market ready to lay down Premium money for one or ten thousand. If "vault" is blowing your mind, think of it as Stern's in-house CGC-type game.

#7467 72 days ago

Guys what are you expecting? If LOTR is really getting remade. It will be based on Spike 1 Hardware with a standard red DMD, using the existing animations from the original game.
Renewing the license for a theme like LOTR isn’t cheap. Expanding the license to also use movie clips is even more expensive.
If they are going to use a LCD, they will most likely create their own animations like an BKSOR or Deadpool. But doing this would also require changed playfield artwork. But I highly doubt they are choosing this path.

#7469 72 days ago

If Ironman vaults with original boards why would they vault lotr with spike?

My dream is stern starts making old parts for their old games again which would maybe mean keeping old boards in vaults... maybe when the license holder of lotr needs/wants money they’ll be cheap enough for stern

#7470 72 days ago

Since Amazon is doing a new LotR series, it is unlikely that the rights are easy to re-acquire right now.

Unless the original deal Stern made included the rights to re-run the manufacturing (which is also unlikely at this late a stage), they are probably out of luck (at least for now).

#7471 71 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

If Ironman vaults with original boards why would they vault lotr with spike?
My dream is stern starts making old parts for their old games again which would maybe mean keeping old boards in vaults... maybe when the license holder of lotr needs/wants money they’ll be cheap enough for stern

Iron Man is SAM. LotR is much older Whitestar system with known problems like the irritating flipper coil fade. Again, the point is not to deliver a problematic LotR, but the game that's awesome and time-tested in a much more reliable and full-featured (stereo sound, color HD screen, LED lighting, factory shaker support) package to maximize "do want" sales, and there would be a LOT.

#7472 71 days ago
Quoted from Midway-Man:

Guys what are you expecting? If LOTR is really getting remade. It will be based on Spike 1 Hardware with a standard red DMD, using the existing animations from the original game.
Renewing the license for a theme like LOTR isn’t cheap. Expanding the license to also use movie clips is even more expensive.
If they are going to use a LCD, they will most likely create their own animations like an BKSOR or Deadpool. But doing this would also require changed playfield artwork. But I highly doubt they are choosing this path.

color dmd?

#7473 71 days ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

I was only off by 12 days! Next Stern Pin due to be revealed in Early May. Math below.
Predicted Reveal date: 5/6/2020
According to Special when lit, the goal is 4 cornerstone games per year. This year we had Munsters, Black Knight, Jurassic Park, and Stranger Things. A cornerstone game follows the pro/premium/LE model. On top of that, if you are only measuring time between cornerstone games launched in the past 3 years (after switching over to LCD), you come up with 139 days between releases. 139 days after the Stranger Things reveal is May 10, 2020. I am going to official predict a IGN article on the 6th of May followed by a full stream on Friday the 8th of May.
Aerosmith 1/4/2017 (128 days after BM66)
Star Wars 5/31/2017 (147 days after Aerosmith)
Guardians of the Galaxy 11/2/2017 (156 days after Star Wars)
Iron Maiden 3/25/2018 (144 days after Guardians of the Galaxy)
Dead Pool 8/3/2018 (131 days after Iron Maiden)
Munsters 1/12/2019 (203 days after Deadpool)
Black Knight SOR 3/25/2019 (72 days after Munsters)
Jurassic Park 7/26/2019 (122 days after BK SOR)
Stranger Things: 12/23/2019 (150 days after Jurassic Park)
Next Stern Pin due 10 May with predicted reveal 6 May and Stream 8 May.
No idea what the game is or who is on code.

I predicted the week before Christmas that the next STERN pin would reveal on or about 6 May. Keeping fingers crossed.

#7474 71 days ago
Quoted from sataneatscheese:

I predicted the week before Christmas that the next STERN pin would reveal on or about 6 May. Keeping fingers crossed.

Except that your math doesn't work. If you expect 4 "cornerstone" games a year, you can't separate releases by 139 days.

To get 4 games a year, you only get 91 days between releases...even at 3 releases per year that's only 121 days.

#7475 71 days ago

this shutdown will most likely alter the number of games released, will it not?

#7476 71 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Except that your math doesn't work. If you expect 4 "cornerstone" games a year...

Noone expects 4 cornerstones a year.

It's "three". -> 3

And yeah I know, they postponed Munsters to January 2019 and Stranger Things "kinda" was Christmas 2019, so that was "four", but that would make 2018 "two".

#7477 71 days ago

I don't want to be negative, just realistic. I think we get 1 game this year. We really need to see how this plays out. I am worried that even when locations are allowed to open, we will be limited to how we operate games. Everyone will struggle and dropping cash on new pins when you are either shutting off or removing 50% of the games isnt a smart move. As for the home market, until we see how bad the fallout is, people may be reluctant to shell out 6k to 10k for a game when they could lose their job without notice.
I do believe the smart play for Stern is to revisit a few popular games if the demand is there.

#7478 71 days ago
Quoted from DS_Nadine:

Noone expects 4 cornerstones a year.
It's "three". -> 3
And yeah I know, they postponed Munsters to January 2019 and Stranger Things "kinda" was Christmas 2019, so that was "four", but that would make 2018 "two".

Quoted from sataneatscheese:

According to Special when lit, the goal is 4 cornerstone games per year.

Well, the person I was referring to DID say the goal was four, and even if you change that to 3, his math still doesn't add up. Never mind the virus screwing everything up anyway.

#7479 71 days ago

I think we will be lucky to see 2 cornerstones this year.
1 vault maybe

#7480 71 days ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

Well, the person I was referring to DID say the goal was four, and even if you change that to 3, his math still doesn't add up. Never mind the virus screwing everything up anyway.

Ok, yeah I didn't read the citation whe he cited himself. XD

But yeah, then Special When Lit ist wrong. The goal is/ was "about" three Cornerstones per year (since about GoT time) according to Gary.

We have 4 in 2019 (with Munsters "delayed" from 2018 due to Beatles), 2 in 2018, 3 in 2017 so this is still kinda right.

(No matter what Podcasters say, what a "cornerstone" is, is clearly defined by Stern. Elvira, Beatles and Batman 66 is not it.)

And yes I also suspect we'll se less this year.

#7481 71 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Iron Man is SAM. LotR is much older Whitestar system with known problems like the irritating flipper coil fade. Again, the point is not to deliver a problematic LotR, but the game that's awesome and time-tested in a much more reliable and full-featured (stereo sound, color HD screen, LED lighting, factory shaker support) package to maximize "do want" sales, and there would be a LOT.

At this point you aren't vaulting a game, you are re-creating it. sounds like Stern wouldn't make your money back from the the labor to do so, unless the game was pretty hefty on the price tag.

I love LOTR along with other games I'd love to see redone but this is Stern, and they aren't going too far back into their catalog. also licensing for lotr, sounds like a pita, it was done at one point, but who knows if they'd all sign off on it again.

#7482 71 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

At this point you aren't vaulting a game, you are re-creating it. sounds like Stern wouldn't make your money back from the the labor to do so, unless the game was pretty hefty on the price tag.
I love LOTR along with other games I'd love to see redone but this is Stern, and they aren't going too far back into their catalog. also licensing for lotr, sounds like a pita, it was done at one point, but who knows if they'd all sign off on it again.

It's much easier than what CGC is doing (well). Stern has all the mechanical designs for every component on the playfield. The game rules are time-tested. Graphics need to be re-done and plussed up to HD (LotR has pretty simple dots). Rules need to be ported. That's it. They're not redoing the game from scratch. The R&D is done and paid for, which is a decent chunk of the process that's "free" for the vault.

#7483 71 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

It's much easier than what CGC is doing (well). Stern has all the mechanical designs for every component on the playfield. The game rules are time-tested. Graphics need to be re-done and plussed up to HD (LotR has pretty simple dots). Rules need to be ported. That's it. They're not redoing the game from scratch. The R&D is done and paid for, which is a decent chunk of the process that's "free" for the vault.

Video assets for the screen and converting white Star to spike? That’s 6-12 months Dev time easily. Let alone the wiring and lighting changes because of the board change

I just don’t see it being worth it. Look at Ironman. I thought they’d update to spike so they could do more new vaults editions and they didn’t. They kept the Sam board set. Just proves it isn’t worth remaking a game from scratch. And that is an easier less populated game.

#7484 71 days ago

They’ll re-theme Flight 2000 as COVID-19 and use the top locks for the economic lockdown stages....

#7485 71 days ago
Quoted from ryanbrooks:

They’ll re-theme Flight 2000 as COVID-19 and use the top locks for the economic lockdown stages....

SOLD!!

#7486 71 days ago

Let’s see some more ninja turtles leaks.

Now with some places going back to work i wonder if stern is one of them. I know Colorado made some changes as of Monday

#7487 71 days ago
Quoted from V8haha:

Let’s see some more ninja turtles leaks.
Now with some places going back to work i wonder if stern is one of them. I know Colorado made some changes as of Monday

Mmm would be nice to have some good/fun news to see!

#7488 71 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

Video assets for the screen and converting white Star to spike? That’s 6-12 months Dev time easily. Let alone the wiring and lighting changes because of the board change
I just don’t see it being worth it. Look at Ironman. I thought they’d update to spike so they could do more new vaults editions and they didn’t. They kept the Sam board set. Just proves it isn’t worth remaking a game from scratch. And that is an easier less populated game.

Iron Man vault has 1/10th or less the demand LotR Spike would have. Converting THAT would have been a waste of time and money, totally get why that didn't even enter the conversation at Stern. LotR vault would sell more than Munsters, Elvira, and Black Knight:SoR combined - a whole YEAR's slate.

For LotR Spike, 6 months I could see to get the job done. 12 months would be generous. Depends on how many people are assigned to getting it done. And of course they could do a one-off, or make conversion tools to allow other WhiteStar games like Simpsons Pinball Party and Harley Davidson (don't laugh, 3 editions prove HD fans have no pinball taste and money to burn) to get a Spike vault. Simpson Pinball Party, especially, would likely have LotR vault numbers as a Spike vault.

#7489 71 days ago

Sure you can add one yourself. But Stern won’t ship them from factory. They are always just using red.

#7490 71 days ago
Quoted from Midway-Man:

Sure you can add one yourself. But Stern won’t ship them from factory. They are always just using red.

spike 2 with just the color dmd art?

#7491 70 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Iron Man vault has 1/10th or less the demand LotR Spike would have. Converting THAT would have been a waste of time and money, totally get why that didn't even enter the conversation at Stern. LotR vault would sell more than Munsters, Elvira, and Black Knight:SoR combined - a whole YEAR's slate.
For LotR Spike, 6 months I could see to get the job done. 12 months would be generous. Depends on how many people are assigned to getting it done. And of course they could do a one-off, or make conversion tools to allow other WhiteStar games like Simpsons Pinball Party and Harley Davidson (don't laugh, 3 editions prove HD fans have no pinball taste and money to burn) to get a Spike vault. Simpson Pinball Party, especially, would likely have LotR vault numbers as a Spike vault.

I mean how many people REALLY want to buy a lotr for 7-8k? Tron was in the same boat and how many "vaults" do you think they sold on that final run.
I would love to see some games redone but from a business standpoint, I just don't see the profits of it being worth it.

#7492 70 days ago

How did the LOTR vault rumor start? Was it just because of that one person who designed alternate side art and an alternate playfield? Then people mistook that as official?

If a LOTR Vault were to happen I would 100% be in on that.

#7493 70 days ago
Quoted from atrainn:

How did the LOTR vault rumor start? Was it just because of that one person who designed alternate side art and an alternate playfield? Then people mistook that as official?
If a LOTR Vault were to happen I would 100% be in on that.

LOTR and Tron have been rumored for 3 years or so? I've heard them many times. I had people tell me to sell my tron as the vault was coming and cash in....ehhhh glad I didn't

#7494 70 days ago
Quoted from northvibe:

I mean how many people REALLY want to buy a lotr for 7-8k? Tron was in the same boat and how many "vaults" do you think they sold on that final run.
I would love to see some games redone but from a business standpoint, I just don't see the profits of it being worth it.

Given how packed the LotR playfield is compared to current Premiums, plenty. They're paying around that for nice examples of a 20 year old pin now. A Spike LotR vault would have the raft of improvements already mentioned, only some of which you can only kludge onto an original LotR with varying levels of success, and some you can't do at all (like stereo sound). LotR Spike vault would destroy Tron numbers, utterly. It's the safest bet in Stern's currently non-spike vault. Simpsons Pinball Party is second.

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#7495 70 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

Iron Man vault has 1/10th or less the demand LotR Spike would have. Converting THAT would have been a waste of time and money, totally get why that didn't even enter the conversation at Stern. LotR vault would sell more than Munsters, Elvira, and Black Knight:SoR combined - a whole YEAR's slate.
For LotR Spike, 6 months I could see to get the job done. 12 months would be generous. Depends on how many people are assigned to getting it done. And of course they could do a one-off, or make conversion tools to allow other WhiteStar games like Simpsons Pinball Party and Harley Davidson (don't laugh, 3 editions prove HD fans have no pinball taste and money to burn) to get a Spike vault. Simpson Pinball Party, especially, would likely have LotR vault numbers as a Spike vault.

I have no idea why you're pumping LOTR spike, but it would suck ass. At least it would bring down the price of the original. I could see LOTR SAM, maybe. I'd take the flipper fade any day to have a real board to work on. Just wait till the spike boards start to fail. You're a pinball guy... shouldn't you know this? Old boards fail. They need work. They need upkeep. The icting for LOTR is because it's from the era where common sense went into design. Spike vaults would be horrible. It might be unpopular now, but I'll send you back here in ten years.

#7496 70 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

LotR Spike vault would destroy Tron numbers, utterly. It's the safest bet in Stern's currently non-spike vault. Simpsons Pinball Party is second.

I’d buy both LOTR and TSPP but put them on SAM, I’ve had enough of Spike and node board failures.

#7497 70 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I have no idea why you're pumping LOTR spike, but it would suck ass. At least it would bring down the price of the original. I could see LOTR SAM, maybe. I'd take the flipper fade any day to have a real board to work on. Just wait till the spike boards start to fail. You're a pinball guy... shouldn't you know this? Old boards fail. They need work. They need upkeep. The icting for LOTR is because it's from the era where common sense went into design. Spike vaults would be horrible. It might be unpopular now, but I'll send you back here in ten years.

No matter how durable SAM is, you're never getting stereo sound out of an original LotR. Ever. There are other advantages you get with Spike that you won't have on an original LotR. I'm fine with rolling the dice because the list of improvements is LOOOOONG. If you want to stick with the limitations of the original SAM release, that's fine. There are thousands out there for you to buy and fix up.

Once the LotR Spike is released, those ALSO FLAWED originals will be a lot cheaper for you. <- Why you should want LotR Spike

#7498 70 days ago
Quoted from J85M:

I’d buy both LOTR and TSPP but put them on SAM, I’ve had enough of Spike and node board failures.

Haven't had a node board failure yet and we've brought in and heavily routed 10 Spike pins to date. Zero node board failures. I had to do the service bulletin to stabilize the diode on 3 of them, but still, zero failures. I'm not rah-rah Spike, but I'm also a realist. A Spike LotR would shut a LOT of people up the second they laid hands on one.

#7499 70 days ago
Quoted from vireland:

No matter how durable SAM is, you're never getting stereo sound out of an original LotR. Ever. There are other advantages you get with Spike that you won't have on an original LotR. I'm fine with rolling the dice because the list of improvements is LOOOOONG. If you want to stick with the limitations of the original SAM release, that's fine. There are thousands out there for you to buy and fix up.
Once the LotR Spike is released, those ALSO FLAWED originals will be a lot cheaper for you. <- Why you should want LotR Spike

I'd buy one right away

Just like the stock market: buy what you know is good, not what you "think" is good.

#7500 70 days ago
Quoted from Tranquilize:

I'd buy one right away

Bookmarked.

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