*~*THE~NEXT~STERN*~*

https://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150315/business/150319262/

Quoted from Extraballz:
Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern. When Stern was the only one making pins Gary had the bright idea he would just cost cut and at the same time raise prices to improve profits. Not a very nice thing to do to your loyal customers IMO. So now there is other companies to compete for sales and Stern is just continuing on with the same strategy? That’s arrogant man. And why would I want the company currently making the lowest quality pins to make my dream themes. Anyone but them right now.

The change you're complaining about happened in 2008/9 when Stern was on its deathbed and they brought on investors. Gary is now basically a figurehead, but I'm pretty sure the investors are the ones driving the cost reduction at all costs and retail price increases, because it started in earnest when they came in. It's mentioned in this article, I'm sure more are out there:

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#5552 4 years ago

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Extraballz

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Kingston, MA

4y 44,900 688

Quoted from KnockerPTSD:
So you're only in this Stern thread to bitch and troll?

Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern. When Stern was the only one making pins Gary had the bright idea he would just cost cut and at the same time raise prices to improve profits. Not a very nice thing to do to your loyal customers IMO. So now there are other companies making great pins to compete for sales and Stern is just continuing on with the same strategy? That’s arrogant man. And why would I want the company currently making the lowest quality pins to make my dream themes? Anyone but them right now.

#5553 4 years ago

DWD

KnockerPTSD

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Quoted from Extraballz:
Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern. When Stern was the only one making pins Gary had the bright idea he would just cost cut and at the same time raise prices to improve profits. Not a very nice thing to do to your loyal customers IMO. So now there are other companies making great pins to compete for sales and Stern is just continuing on with the same strategy? That’s arrogant man. And why would I want the company currently making the lowest quality pins to make my dream themes? Anyone but them right now.

Did you really just repost this to be at the top of the page?
We get it. You want attention.

#5554 4 years ago

TMB

Roostking

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Quoted from Peanuts:
TMNT is out, sort of:
[quoted image]

4 Days ago wants this post back.

#5555 4 years ago

TMB

Roostking

Pinside+ Addict

10y 106K 8,561 2

Quoted from PinMonk:
It would have to have a really shallow playfield pitch so it played REAAALLLY SLOW.

Some sort of smog machine or something to cloud up reality!

#5556 4 years ago

DWD

KnockerPTSD

Pinside member

Quoted from Roostking:
Some sort of smog machine or something to cloud up reality!

Premium comes with a pin gulp for a bong

#5557 4 years ago

CRZ

mnpinball

19y 124K 4,239 10

Quoted from Budman:
I believe Brian was hired two years ago and would have to assume he has been developing something all that time. Seems odd that he would be put on a title like TMNT.It doesn’t take two years to bring a game like that to market. I thought he would do a unique homegrown title.

Maybe 2 years to get more assets from Stranger Things season 3......

#5558 4 years ago

CRZ

mnpinball

19y 124K 4,239 10

Quoted from PinMonk:
The most common titles being thrown around are:
Stranger Things
TMNT
James Bond
Led Zeppelin
The next one may be the Brian Eddy pin...

Might be 3 of those in 2020....

#5559 4 years ago

CRZ

mnpinball

19y 124K 4,239 10

Quoted from Psw757:
Next machine will be the long rumored Led Zeppelin machine.

That one might be cooking longer.

#5560 4 years ago

VIC

PinMonk

Quoted from mnpinball:
That one might be cooking longer.

If that's what it takes to make Led Zeppelin not a crappy rethemed Quicksilver but a full new pin, I say take your time, Stern.

#5561 4 years ago

HRY

HarrieD

Pinside member

11y 64,800 580 8 25

Quoted from PinMonk:
Well, Trudeau will be released next week, so it could happen.

Bad sense of humor man.

#5562 4 years ago

MAC

frankmac

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9y 154K 5,098 4

Quoted from mnpinball:
Might be 3 of those in 2020....

Nintendo Switch just did a Stranger Things season 3 digital download game.

Who knows?

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#5563 4 years ago

RJW

screaminr

In Memoriam

7y 116K 6,151

Quoted from RA77:
I have no problem with magnets doing crazy shit. Its part of the fun
Its pinball, " the ball is wild " remember.
To the few tourney players whining about no control , cry elsewhere about the randomness of pinball please.

I agree . I hope they don't design pins according to tournament players. Randomness gives everyone a chance

#5564 4 years ago

HAT

Pinballer67

Pinside member

6y 73,300 499

Quoted from PinMonk:
If that's what it takes to make Led Zeppelin not a crappy rethemed Quicksilver but a full new pin, I say take your time, Stern.

Personally, I would be 100% good with a Quicksilver remake (with modern tweaks - maybe even ramps) with a Zep theme. I would enjoy this more than a Zep theme slapped on a Munsters or Elvira-type layout.

#5565 4 years ago

RJW

screaminr

In Memoriam

7y 116K 6,151

I remember in my younger days putting on black dog and rock and roll by Led Zeppelin on the jukebox at the pub and playing fishtails , great memories , so much so I brought a fish tales and will never let it go . Led Zeppelin deserves its own unique play field like ACDC and Iron Maiden

#5566 4 years ago

PSW

Psw757

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from mnpinball:
That one might be cooking longer.

If it isn’t Led Zeppelin next in line it’s got to be Goonies or Bond!

#5567 4 years ago

RJW

screaminr

In Memoriam

7y 116K 6,151

I know this won't ever get made , but I'd love to see this , the most Australian band ever .
THE CHATS !

#5568 4 years ago

DMM

DS_Nadine

Pinside member

Düsseldorf

8y 72,800 4,104 2

Quoted from mnpinball:
Maybe 2 years to get more assets from Stranger Things season 3......

Nah the 3 titles for 2020 are:

Bill & Ted
Bill & Ted 2
Bill & Ted 3

#5569 4 years ago

ROK

pinmister

Pinside member

11y 129K 7,594

Quoted from screaminr:
Led Zeppelin deserves its own unique play field like ACDC and Iron Maiden

I totally agree, Stern shot themselves in the foot with Beatles-when it comes to potential sales if it had been a modern machine with Pro, Premium, and LE models. Led Zeppelin is an epic theme-and again Stern will waste it on a re-hashed single level game. Flipping snooze fest-I would prefer a newly designed modern table or even a re-theme using Iron Maiden layout. At least my wallet is safe for now. If you want to bring back some classic titles-then just bring them back as all original-no need to waste good themes.

#5570 4 years ago

PAT

GorillaBiscuits

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8y 162K 4,208 22

Quoted from screaminr:
I know this won't ever get made , but I'd love to see this , the most Australian band ever .
THE CHATS !

Smoko wizard mode?

#5571 4 years ago

JAW

jawjaw

Pinside member

Humble, TX

9y 85,550 5,532 5

Quoted from screaminr:
I know this won't ever get made , but I'd love to see this , the most Australian band ever .
THE CHATS !

Stern's qc guy has been on a long smoko. lol

#5572 4 years ago

MON

Monte

Pinside member

Chicago, IL

13y 66,300 367 11

Quoted from Extraballz:
Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern. When Stern was the only one making pins Gary had the bright idea he would just cost cut and at the same time raise prices to improve profits. Not a very nice thing to do to your loyal customers IMO. So now there are other companies making great pins to compete for sales and Stern is just continuing on with the same strategy? That’s arrogant man. And why would I want the company currently making the lowest quality pins to make my dream themes? Anyone but them right now.

Subtract your pinball emotions with running a company with investors who provided revenue for Stern to expand or survive. In return, ”the evil Gary” might not of had any choice per the covenants of the agreements. Fathom that companies regardless of private or public are about making as much money as possible. Stern is not a charity to your dreams. Your loyalties are replaceable by a new consumer.

As you know, you may exercise your consumer rights and don’t buy from them and utilize the other companies. The bonus, your dreams might be satiated soon with Deeproot.

#5573 4 years ago

JON

J85M

Hot Mods

Warrington

12y 147K 10,465 32

Quoted from mnpinball:
Might be 3 of those in 2020....

You can keep Led Zep I’ll take one of each of the other 3! But Stranger Things needs hidden magents for randomness or at least a ball save between the flippers!

#5574 4 years ago

MDF

Royale-W-Cheese

Pinside+ Frequent

I would love to see a new BOND. Huge Fan.

#5575 4 years ago

JCH

Rager170

Pinside member

Newtown, CT

8y 71,050 3,811 4

Quoted from Royale-W-Cheese:
I would love to see a new BOND. Huge Fan.

Id love to see any of the older ones haha.

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#5576 4 years ago

MDF

Royale-W-Cheese

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from Rager170:
Id love to see any of the older ones haha.

Top 3?

#5577 4 years ago

DWD

KnockerPTSD

Pinside member

Quoted from Royale-W-Cheese:
Top 3?

Dr. No
From Russia with love
The spy who loved me/license to kill

#5578 4 years ago

HWR

taz

Pinside member

12y 91,400 1,687 10 17

Quoted from KnockerPTSD:
Dr. No
From Russia with love
The spy who loved me/license to kill

Great Bond movies, but don't forget about: Diamonds Are Forever, For Your Eyes Only, and Goldeneye!

#5579 4 years ago

PJM

Moli410

Pinside+ Frequent

8y 61,800 379 4

License to Kill, absolutely!

#5580 4 years ago

MDF

Royale-W-Cheese

Pinside+ Frequent

Love them all....guess I am a fan. lol

#5581 4 years ago

PSW

Psw757

Pinside+ Frequent

My hope for a Bond pin is they cover all eras of Bond, if they have to count one out it can be On Her Majesty’s Secret Service with Lazenby.

#5582 4 years ago

HWR

taz

Pinside member

12y 91,400 1,687 10 17

Quoted from Psw757:
My hope for a Bond pin is they cover all eras of Bond, if they have to count one out it can be On Her Majesty’s Secret Service with Lazenby.

Me too. Personally, I'd enjoy a greatest hits mix of their villains or Bond girls more than I care about which Bond they use.

#5583 4 years ago

MDF

Royale-W-Cheese

Pinside+ Frequent

I say villains and the girls for each movie scattered around the PF. We need Odd Job and nick nack . Take my money now.

#5584 4 years ago

DWD

KnockerPTSD

Pinside member

Quoted from Psw757:
My hope for a Bond pin is they cover all eras of Bond, if they have to count one out it can be On Her Majesty’s Secret Service with Lazenby.

I think most of us could have done without moonraker as well

#5585 4 years ago

MDF

Royale-W-Cheese

Pinside+ Frequent

https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/

Here you go.

#5586 4 years ago

PSW

Psw757

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from KnockerPTSD:
I think most of us could have done without moonraker as well

I like Moonraker

#5587 4 years ago

PSW

Psw757

Pinside+ Frequent

Quoted from Royale-W-Cheese:
Here you go.
https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/guide/james-bond-movies/

That list is ridiculously off as a Bond fan. On Her Majestsy’s secret service at #7? View to a Kill #23 or thereabouts, no way.

#5588 4 years ago

VIC

PinMonk

Quoted from Psw757:
That list is ridiculously off as a Bond fan. On Her Majestsy’s secret service at #7? View to a Kill #23 or thereabouts, no way.

On Her Majesty's Secret Service is a good bond film, and Lazenby is fine. Dalton is crappier than Lazenby, IMO.

#5589 4 years ago

TBM

Zablon

Pinside member

Kellogg, IA

9y 103K 10,563 11

Needs to based on porn. BALLS IN HOLES.

#5590 4 years ago

TBM

Zablon

Pinside member

Kellogg, IA

9y 103K 10,563 11

Quoted from Monte:
Subtract your pinball emotions with running a company with investors who provided revenue for Stern to expand or survive. In return, ”the evil Gary” might not of had any choice per the covenants of the agreements. Fathom that companies regardless of private or public are about making as much money as possible. Stern is not a charity to your dreams. Your loyalties are replaceable by a new consumer.
As you know, you may exercise your consumer rights and don’t buy from them and utilize the other companies. The bonus, your dreams might be satiated soon with Deeproot.

The unfortunate part is this is the lament of nearly all hobbies that turn into cash cows because 'investors'. It is no secret that companies are way more creative and take more risks when they aren't relying on making record profits and making investors happy. There is a sense of 'love' put into the product during that phase that seems to go away once it is all about 'what's good for the business'. While investors are supposed to make the company 'better' and able to do more, the reality is usually the opposite to the early adopters who watched the company grow. It's just how the world works unfortunately.

What I find interesting is people who defend any business practice, as if they are doing anyone a favor. As a consumer, I have no brand loyalty. I've never understood people who are so one sided regarding brands. Companies chase mass market. They don't really 'care' about the consumer, they care about market share. While those may seem like the same thing they are not. What I mean by this is a company will gladly drop its existing customers if it thinks its found a way to get more customers a different way. Companies stopped listening to the consumers years ago, and it is when quality and consumer happiness dropped drastically and continues to drop. (This is mostly general, not directed at Stern).

#5591 4 years ago

VIC

PinMonk

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Quoted from Zablon:
Needs to based on porn. BALLS IN HOLES.

Um, Bride of Pinbot. You teabag her then put a ball in her mouth. Overtly sexualized art. Only Zingy Bingy was more explicit.

#5592 4 years ago

WLF

wlf_

Inactive member

Chicago, IL

5y 36,800 290 2

Quoted from Extraballz:
Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern.

Yeah, but you're not really expressing your disappointment, you're basically calling everyone else crazy for discussing (not even buying, simply talking about) the next Stern game...

Quoted from Extraballz:
I can’t understand why anyone would even be looking forward to the next Stern

You're welcome to your opinions, you're even welcome to say you aren't buying Stern. But this is a thread for discussing the next Stern game. You've made it abundantly clear you aren't interested, soooooo, maybe this isn't the thread for you?

Edit: I just noticed you re-posted your troll comment a second time, hahahaha. It was a bad take the first time, and you re-post? I agree with @graysonsdad, need attention much?

#5593 4 years ago

SPI

buffetboy88

Inactive member

4y 15,050 12

Quoted from jawjaw:
Stern's qc guy has been on a long smoko. lol

Man I wish...

#5594 4 years ago

MAC

frankmac

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9y 154K 5,098 4

Thinking a Tron vault might be cooking..

#5595 4 years ago

CHR

Darth_Chris

Pinside member

11y 72,650 2,604

Many great ideas, I love james bond but what about the gremlins

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#5596 4 years ago

TMN

Goronic

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Kernersville, NC

9y 95,900 4,270

OP
Quoted from frankmac:
Thinking a Tron vault might be cooking..

That would be great - I am still hoping for a Stranger Things pin too. Sounds like Stern has that license so it is more likely 'when' and not 'if'

#5597 4 years ago

APB

nogoodnames222

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Portland, OR

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OP
Quoted from frankmac:
Thinking a Tron vault might be cooking..

Don't get my hopes up.

#5598 4 years ago

IAN

V8haha

Pinside member

Frisco, CO

10y 65,300 1,469 41 28

So looking like we will see something later this month?

Bring on turtles!

#5599 4 years ago

LMS

Tranquilize

Pinside member

9y 84,550 3,778 35

Quoted from Extraballz:
Seems likes a perfectly fine thread to express my disappointment in Stern. When Stern was the only one making pins Gary had the bright idea he would just cost cut and at the same time raise prices to improve profits. Not a very nice thing to do to your loyal customers IMO. So now there is other companies to compete for sales and Stern is just continuing on with the same strategy? That’s arrogant man. And why would I want the company currently making the lowest quality pins to make my dream themes. Anyone but them right now.

I have IM next to IMDN. The quality difference is absolutely insane. I can touch maiden with my pinky, and the whole machine shakes. I have to use both hands aggressively to do the same to IM. I wish Stern would reverse course on the cost cutting (bring back the older PSU with button in the right place, a knocker etc etc.) as I am sad that I can't support them anymore.

I guess this is a good time to ask: has anyone added weights into the cab of newer sterns?

#5600 4 years ago

VIC

PinMonk