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*The Next Stern Pin*


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#5151 3 months ago

You're a few years late to the title generator.

Quoted from KLR2014:

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#5153 3 months ago

Die Hard
John Wick
Jaws
Goonies
Toy Story

#5154 3 months ago

I'm curious if Keith Elwin's comments about nobody being allowed to be hurt in JP apply solely to that liscence or if it is a Stern policy? If it is a Stern policy that makes certain titles highly unlikely that action flicks like John Wick and Die Hard or horror suggestions like Friday the 13th and Saw just wouldnt be the same without the violence.

#5155 3 months ago
Quoted from Peanuts:

There's a press release?

announce != announced

#5156 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I'm curious if Keith Elwin's comments about nobody being allowed to be hurt in JP apply solely to that liscence or if it is a Stern policy? If it is a Stern policy that makes certain titles highly unlikely that action flicks like John Wick and Die Hard or horror suggestions like Friday the 13th and Saw just wouldnt be the same without the violence.

TWD

#5157 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I'm curious if Keith Elwin's comments about nobody being allowed to be hurt in JP apply solely to that liscence or if it is a Stern policy? If it is a Stern policy that makes certain titles highly unlikely that action flicks like John Wick and Die Hard or horror suggestions like Friday the 13th and Saw just wouldnt be the same without the violence.

Have you seen The Walking Dead machine?

#5158 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I'm curious if Keith Elwin's comments about nobody being allowed to be hurt in JP apply solely to that liscence or if it is a Stern policy? If it is a Stern policy that makes certain titles highly unlikely that action flicks like John Wick and Die Hard or horror suggestions like Friday the 13th and Saw just wouldnt be the same without the violence.

The licensor objected. Keith said it was something like “umm, no”

#5159 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

I'm curious if Keith Elwin's comments about nobody being allowed to be hurt in JP apply solely to that liscence or if it is a Stern policy? If it is a Stern policy that makes certain titles highly unlikely that action flicks like John Wick and Die Hard or horror suggestions like Friday the 13th and Saw just wouldnt be the same without the violence.

TWD- violence hurting people all over the place
Metallica - Eyeballs exploding out of Sparky as he's electrocuted
Iron Maiden - pulls heart out and splatters "extra ball" lettering on the screen
etc, etc, etc

I don't think it's a Stern restriction...

#5160 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

TWD- violence hurting people all over the place
Metallica - Eyeballs exploding out of Sparky as he's electrocuted
Iron Maiden - pulls heart out and splatters "extra ball" lettering on the screen
etc, etc, etc
I don't think it's a Stern restriction...

Seems like a valid point but I would also point out that none of those are "people" being killed. Zombies, cartoon character and eddie.
Wait, Deadpool has ninjas. There we go. Not a Stern thing.

#5161 3 months ago
Quoted from Graysonsdad:

Seems like a valid point but I would also point out that none of those are "people" being killed. Zombies, cartoon character and eddie.
Wait, Deadpool has ninjas. There we go. Not a Stern thing.

Walking dead absolutely has people getting killed. Zombies bite a chick in the neck and blood spews out for one of the animations. Pretty sure that killed her.

#5162 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

Walking dead absolutely has people getting killed. Zombies bite a chick in the neck and blood spews out for one of the animations. Pretty sure that killed her.

Merely a flesh wound.

#5163 3 months ago

Big Trouble
Killer Stern Title

With ZY Art

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#5164 3 months ago
Quoted from Sinistarrett:

Lots of people sure do say “ I would buy (Theme XXX) sight unseen!” and “Take my money!” and “This title would be an insta- buy for me!” Because of this mindset, no matter what the next Stern is its:
A: probably going to have a price increase
B: certainly going to have incomplete code
C: likely going to suffer from quality control issues
None of these problems are ever going to go away with people consistently throwing large sums of money at a product they have never even actually seen or for that matter, a product that hasnt even been reviewed by any actual consumers. Whatever happened to demanding a proven quality product that has been adequately tested and performs properly out of the box?
If people were a bit more patient and didnt buy, say, all 400 LE models of a game before its even been released or reviewed maybe Stern would put a bit more effort into these games before putting them out.

And this is the exact reason that pinside is antithetical to the primary pinball customers.. operators. Sorry, fancy-pantsers with your fancy gamerooms, operators/locations still buy the most machines.

#5165 3 months ago
Quoted from SadSack:

And this is the exact reason that pinside is antithetical to the primary pinball customers.. operators. Sorry, fancy-pantsers with your fancy gamerooms, operators/locations still buy the most machines.

umm... no, they don't. even gary stern reflected that home users accounts for the majority of their sales 2 or more years ago

#5166 3 months ago

I don't care what the next theme is, who's designing it, and who is doing the code. Just give me a relevant pinball that I can buy, run on the route for a few years, make some money, then sell.
No more dream titles for me. Casual players go on what they know. Munsters was cute, but I am in my 40s and they were 20 years old when i was a kid. BKsor, another nod to the old times. Elvira is another game piggy backing on its 2 previous games. Can't run it. I have bar/restaurants that have kids playing the games. One parent complains and it's out. Not to mention the price structure doesn't help.

#5167 3 months ago

I vote Monty python. Holy grail. Callouts would be amazing. A ton to work with.

#5168 3 months ago

This won't be the next pin but Dr Strange sequel comes out in 2021 that would make a cool pinball machine.

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#5169 3 months ago
Quoted from j_m_:

umm... no, they don't. even gary stern reflected that home users accounts for the majority of their sales 2 or more years ago

link? I thought I read he said it was a growing portion, but still NOT the majority.

#5170 3 months ago
Quoted from SadSack:

link? I thought I read he said it was a growing portion, but still NOT the majority.

I can't provide a link for something that I heard firsthand. gary (and stern as a whole) finally admitted that the private sector is where the majority of their machines are going.

I'll concede that pinball as a whole has seen growth in the past couple of years and there are many [new] retail establishments that now have games on location, but those seem to fluctuate if the establishments do not have an on-site or contracted technician (bar owners for the most part are not techs and do not want to be). the fact that pinball machines are mechanical and can have a whole host of things go wrong vs. a video game is the reason why many bars will try them out and then you see them gone a few months later.

my hats off to the operators putting in new games for us to play given the increased investment costs. I'm fortunate to live in an area where no less than 4 establishments within a 30min drive purchase just about every new game that is made available

#5171 3 months ago
Quoted from j_m_:

I can't provide a link for something that I heard firsthand. gary (and stern as a whole) finally admitted that the private sector is where the majority of their machines are going.

I spoke to a number of folks from Stern at Expo, including Gary, and while no one was willing to share numbers it’s apparent that the numbers have finally shifted to the home market. The only industry insider to comment on it publicly was Pat Lawlor and he indicated that at one point is was as high as 90% home / 10% operator (I don’t remember if he was talking specifically about JJP at the time). He also indicated that Stern was one game away from closing in the early 2000’s, a point that Gary didn’t deny (though I think he disagreed on the timeframe).

The whole Pro/Premium/LE was designed to take advantage of that shift.

I don’t think it’s healthy for the industry long term to not have good options for operators (current pricing seems to make ROI problematic), but operators are no longer buying the majority of new games.

#5172 3 months ago

How about an Avengers pin that doesn't suck or fall apart.

#5173 3 months ago
Quoted from jfh:

I spoke to a number of folks from Stern at Expo, including Gary, and while no one was willing to share numbers it’s apparent that the numbers have finally shifted to the home market. The only industry insider to comment on it publicly was Pat Lawlor and he indicated that at one point is was as high as 90% home / 10% operator (I don’t remember if he was talking specifically about JJP at the time). He also indicated that Stern was one game away from closing in the early 2000’s, a point that Gary didn’t deny (though I think he disagreed on the timeframe).
The whole Pro/Premium/LE was designed to take advantage of that shift.
I don’t think it’s healthy for the industry long term to not have good options for operators (current pricing seems to make ROI problematic), but operators are no longer buying the majority of new games.

Agreed, the future problem shifts to real-estate space for the Home User market...eventually you reach a point of saturation. Not everyone has giant basements or gamerooms and therefore have to be very picky with what they want bolted down or in for long periods at a stretch. Sure, there will always be those who are willing to swap out, but for some, me included, getting my pins to my location in my house is an event. So long term, home users space and choosiness will become more and more specific. Without an operator equal share, I'm fearing an over saturation point if amazing pins continue to be cranked out at the current rate. Maybe a manufacturer buyback program could work...Not sure how with the distributor model, maybe for a credit. They do it at video card companies like eVGA...just a thought...

I'm hoping the pinball Barcade model continues to grow and expand, there definitely seems to be a resurgence with the 80's trend happening currently, and most downtown area Barcades I have frequented, seem to be prospering.

Eventually the demographics shift, disposable income changes...hope not to see crashes like in the past and hopefully the game makers have learned from history

#5174 3 months ago

Some Distributors encourage HUO and high end trade-ins. That is an easy way to replace a newish pin with a newer pin. Trade values offered are usually fair.

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#5175 3 months ago
Quoted from fooflighter:

Agreed, the future problem shifts to real-estate space for the Home User market...eventually you reach a point of saturation. Not everyone has giant basements or gamerooms and therefore have to be very picky with what they want bolted down or in for long periods at a stretch. Sure, there will always be those who are willing to swap out, but for some, me included, getting my pins to my location in my house is an event.

Agree, sace is a real problem. I’m full, so to bring in a new game a favorite has to leave. And moving a game in/out isn’t a picnic.

I wish Stern and JJP would consider selling populated playfields so we could swap out games like Pinball 2000. It wouldn’t be a huge segment of the market, but would bring the cost of owning a new game way down. The cabinets are identical physically/electrically so it’s certainly doable. If someone doesn’t do this in the next few years my wife and I have decided we are probably done (though we will make room for Toy Story).

#5176 3 months ago
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Some Distributors encourage HUO and high end trade-ins. That is an easy way to replace a newish pin with a newer pin. Trade values offered are usually fair.[quoted image]

What do you consider fair? I haven’t seen too many programs where the trade in comes anywhere near what a private sale would bring.

#5177 3 months ago
Quoted from jfh:

Agree, sace is a real problem. I’m full, so to bring in a new game a favorite has to leave. And moving a game in/out isn’t a picnic.
I wish Stern and JJP would consider selling populated playfields so we could swap out games like Pinball 2000. It wouldn’t be a huge segment of the market, but would bring the cost of owning a new game way down. The cabinets are identical physically/electrically so it’s certainly doable. If someone doesn’t do this in the next few years my wife and I have decided we are probably done (though we will make room for Toy Story).

It already exists:
https://www.multimorphic.com/p3-pinball-platform/

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#5178 3 months ago

Sorry, P3 isn’t the same thing at all.

Stern and JJP could continue to build full machines but just sell more populated playfields.

#5179 3 months ago
Quoted from zr11990:

How about an Avengers pin that doesn't suck or fall apart.

Avengers deserves another try with lcd, movie rights and a Ritchie Brother layout for sure.

#5180 3 months ago
Quoted from 2pupPinz:

Avengers deserves another try with lcd, movie rights and a Ritchie Brother layout for sure.

Such good movies and could make such a great pinball machine

#5181 3 months ago
Quoted from freeplay3:

I don't care what the next theme is, who's designing it, and who is doing the code. Just give me a relevant pinball that I can buy, run on the route for a few years, make some money, then sell.
No more dream titles for me. Casual players go on what they know. Munsters was cute, but I am in my 40s and they were 20 years old when i was a kid. BKsor, another nod to the old times. Elvira is another game piggy backing on its 2 previous games. Can't run it. I have bar/restaurants that have kids playing the games. One parent complains and it's out. Not to mention the price structure doesn't help.

I understand what you are saying, and this isn't directed at you (or any individual). I don't doubt that you get complaints about this kind of crap, but it makes me scared for our future.
What the hell happened to parents? Who the hell would protest a GAME? That is all it is. A freaking game? I'm about your age. All my friends had Friday the 13th, Die hard, Total recall, Terminator etc on the original NES when we were in freaking kindergarten. We also watched all those movies. Yes, occasionally some lame ass parent wouldn't let a kid watch an R-rated movie, so that kid would just go to a friend's house and watch it. We also had action figures and toys that our parents bought us from all of these franchises.
I laugh at some if the b.s. titles that come out today. We wouldn't have been caught dead watching Wonka, Goonies, or any of these lame ass P.G. games that are licensed. What the hell happened to people that were born in the 70's and 80's? Grow up people and stop being offended by everything.

#5182 3 months ago
Quoted from freeplay3:

I don't care what the next theme is, who's designing it, and who is doing the code. Just give me a relevant pinball that I can buy, run on the route for a few years, make some money, then sell.
No more dream titles for me. Casual players go on what they know. Munsters was cute, but I am in my 40s and they were 20 years old when i was a kid. BKsor, another nod to the old times. Elvira is another game piggy backing on its 2 previous games. Can't run it. I have bar/restaurants that have kids playing the games. One parent complains and it's out. Not to mention the price structure doesn't help.

Seriously? One person complains and out. How did we allow one person so much power?

#5183 3 months ago
Quoted from majicman110:

I understand what you are saying, and this isn't directed at you (or any individual). I don't doubt that you get complaints about this kind of crap, but it makes me scared for our future.
What the hell happened to parents? Who the hell would protest a GAME? That is all it is. A freaking game? I'm about your age. All my friends had Friday the 13th, Die hard, Total recall, Terminator etc on the original NES when we were in freaking kindergarten. We also watched all those movies. Yes, occasionally some lame ass parent wouldn't let a kid watch an R-rated movie, so that kid would just go to a friend's house and watch it. We also had action figures and toys that our parents bought us from all of these franchises.
I laugh at some if the b.s. titles that come out today. We wouldn't have been caught dead watching Wonka, Goonies, or any of these lame ass P.G. games that are licensed. What the hell happened to people that were born in the 70's and 80's? Grow up people and stop being offended by everything.

Quoted from Roostking:

Seriously? One person complains and out. How did we allow one person so much power?

If it was up to me I would tell anyone who complained to piss off. Unfortunately, as a long time operator of Jukes, ATMs and of course pins, you are at the mercy of the bar owner. The bar owner is at the mercy of any customer, no matter how bat shit crazy they are. I almost lost a jukebox location because someone played a rap song during dinner and an old bitty bitched. So for me in a family friendly location I need to consider things like elvira and her assets, black knight and the "scary" monsters, and other things that may offend anyone. Yeah, it sucks.

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#5184 3 months ago

America has become a society of nanny pamby botch ass whiners who are offended at everything and by god if someone is offended by something everyone has to suffer.

#5185 3 months ago

Texas Pinball Festival just posted this on Facebook.

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#5186 3 months ago

Saw this yesterday evening. Sign?

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#5187 3 months ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Saw this yesterday evening. Sign?[quoted image]

That looks far too sturdy to have anything to do with Stern Pinball machines.

#5188 3 months ago
Quoted from vireland:

That looks far too sturdy to have anything to do with Stern Pinball machines.

Lol no, it was in a ferry boat in Greece
But I found it amusing with everyone guessing the next title

#5189 3 months ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Saw this yesterday evening.

Now we know that in the next Stern game the ball will go up a ramp and then through a door...twice.

#5190 3 months ago
Quoted from littlecammi:

Now we know that in the next Stern game the ball will go up a ramp and then through a door...twice.

And it will come from our threads on Pinside........you're welcome mofos!

#5191 3 months ago
Quoted from zr11990:

America has become a society of nanny pamby botch ass whiners who are offended at everything and by god if someone is offended by something everyone has to suffer.

Hence the “monkey” that was removed on Oktobefest game. Shocked it created such nonsense.

#5192 3 months ago

Anyone have any news? Seems like if there is another release in 2019 we would hear about it now!

#5193 3 months ago

The buzz I'm hearing now is stranger things is next. Here's the order I'm predicting:

Stranger things

TMNT

Led Zep

I personally would be all over the first two.

#5194 3 months ago

Will the next Stern pin have clearcoat thick enough to cover the insert & ink lines?

Also. Wtf happened to Bill & Ted. Bogus!

#5195 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

The buzz I'm hearing now is stranger things is next. Here's the order I'm predicting:
Stranger things
TMNT
Led Zep
I personally would be all over the first two.

Stranger Things by Brian Eddy would get my attention, although I think Brian would be perfect for TMNT too.

#5196 3 months ago
Quoted from delt31:

The buzz I'm hearing now is stranger things is next. Here's the order I'm predicting:
Stranger things
TMNT
Led Zep
I personally would be all over the first two.

I hope so.

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#5197 3 months ago
Quoted from frankmac:

I hope so.[quoted image]

Looks like a JJP pitch

Any other pics? Guessing it’s a virtual pin design?

#5198 3 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Looks like a JJP pitch
Any other pics? Guessing it’s a virtual pin design?

I believe this is a V pin
Looks good.

#5200 3 months ago
Quoted from J85M:

Stranger Things by Brian Eddy would get my attention, although I think Brian would be perfect for TMNT too.

I believe it's Borg on TMNT. I would think Eddy on ST, which would be awesome

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