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Quoted from d0n:I don't "get" podcasts? I'm surprised that people want to listen to other people talk about something for hours on end. I don't get it.
Humans are pretty narcissistic with everything we do. We can't get enough of ourselves!
Known fact. Squirrels are self loathing.
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:I'm listening to a 178 part podcast on the History of Rome. I like listening to pinball podcasts about once a week to hear the latest rumours and some interesting interviews. You can find a podcast about any niche hobby you have. Football? Check, Cars? Check, Squirrels… check.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_History_of_Rome_(podcast)
Mike Duncan is phenomenal! I started on that show years back when wanting to hear more about Spartacus.
Genuinely one of the most fluid historical podcasts out there. 
Eeek. Maybe we need to somewhat lower the value of this platform. Podcasts are often just opinion based, people blathering (kinda like here and now with all of us writing in this thread) and that's about it.
Less media. Less focus on ego and everyone feeling they need a soapbox and platform. And more play, more excitement and enthusiasm with one another, versus vitriol tossed at one another.
I'm all for National Mute/Shove Your Opinions UP Your Ass Day, frankly.
Man, now I wish I had some Taco Bell, AND a beer!! 
Yow.
I just listened to her episode from the other day. Had never heard her name, podcast, etc prior. After listening, I still have no reason to know her name, podcast, etc. (And she certainly doesn't need to know or value mine...and I give no shits either way, past this post.)
I feel we live in this bizarro world presently, where everyone expects, demands to be liked, appreciated, included, valued, heard, represented, etc. For me (past a basic extension of value and care we all should allow one another cordially) that mindset represents the ultimate vision of entitlement.
I don't care. Don't need to care. As much as you, they, whomever doesn't need to care about me.
We are not deserved anything. And that entire rant of hers felt like an attitude where something was deserved, and it wasn't given, and an issue seemingly exists exists because it wasn't given. This is a fundamental flaw in daily life. If YOU want to like me, or hate me, or most likely feel indifference, who gives a shit? I try to never ask for anything from anyone, as in the world we truly exist in, you need to earn, survive, and try to thrive on your own. Friends and family can be wonderful gifts, curses, or absent. But the world I live in, versus the fantasy world she and many, seem to live in, are vastly different. You aren't owed anything, and no one needs to care. You receive things via work, and if people appreciate you that's a plus.
Also, for a culture born on valuing the individual, wow do we ever thrive in the desire to place ourselves and others, into fragmented clubs. Who cares what gender, race, age, etc someone is? If a person bonds first and foremost via such "defining traits" then to me, that feels entirely bigoted and narrow minded. We should look at another and ideally embrace differences, rather than look solely for similarities to bond from.
Speaking of differences, I remember wayback when, seeing this wacky Who-Dey guy on here. Going on about Munsters, jumping all over the place in many threads, having a peculiar, to me, mascot avatar, and I just scratched my head. A year or so later, I consider him a pretty genuine friend in my weekly life, despite those differences. And even despite the fact that he loves the Bengals!!!
That dude is entirely different from me, and I'm happy about it, not put off at all.
Quoted from Who-Dey:Where’s the link? I gotta hear this SHIT!
https://backboxpinballpodcast.fireside.fm/30
I don't have an issue with her, (and I will definitely give a listen to a different episodes of her podcast to give it a chance) but like I said, never heard of her prior to today. But I definitely can say I don't care about her feeling excluded. She seems to be a member of far more clubs, have far more support, spouses, far more DM's asking about her feelings, and the adoration of Jack Danger. These are all things I don't have, and I'm not wetting a diaper, stomping my feet on the ground, and using the excuse of personal exclusion, intimating gender discrimination or any other babble because I'm not being adorned with praise.
More than this, believe in Groucho's wisdom. "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." Whether he said that or not, being a part of something, and being accepted solely for specific traits, conditions, and qualities, and not for your viability as an individual....is asinine.
Side note. More Groucho.
And I'll tell ya, if you don't like Groucho, you're automatically kicked outta my No Club...Club. So hit the bricks, and go kick rocks already!!!
Quoted from DBLM:I just listened to the podcast and it is both a complex and simple issue. It is complex in that she is deeply into pinball and that it forms a part of her identity. She is big into and proud of being a female and of another race, which she should. She seems hurt that she and other diverse voices are not included in the TPN. I don't know if she was asked, not asked, whatever, but that is her perspective. Again, lots of complex emotions for her. Nobody has to understand or champion her point of view, but we should all acknowledge that it is her point of view. You can't tell people how to feel, and if you do, you are a dick.
On the simple side though, at the end of the day, this is not her podcast network. TPN is free to do whatever they want, and involve whomever they want. They are not the only game in town, and she and other podcasters are free to present whatever they want on their own, or to create their own syndicate.
Food for thought: I am not into the pinball "scene" and don't necessarily want to be into it. Just not my vibe. I don't play in tournaments, don't go to shows, and for me, pinball is a minor, minor distraction. I am sure that there are others like me who fit the bill and probably look at situations like this and say "whatever." For others, league night is a big part of their identity and represents significant things to them. Lauren seems to be in this camp. We don't have to empathize with her, but we can provide empathy.
For sure! And i definitely want to listen to another episode here, when work settles down a bit. She definitely filled a void in her life, as we all have, with pinball. Ideally....that should be the aspect that brings us all together, versus gender, race, etc. I've played at breweries for fun, and been at tournaments, (don't play or wish too.. I'm awful) and I've always witnessed inclusivity, expressly based on individuals or groups....loving pinball.
This is a club where everyone seems pretty widely accepted, and genuinely I've seen very mellow, or just intense folks playing at events. They come in all shapes, sizes, ages, and hang out with people different than themselves. NO person is akin directly to another person. We are all unique, Mr. Rogers fucking knew and preached that. But here, I see her using her race and gender, to actually encourage empathy, pity, and acceptance. And for me, that is entirely contrary to the concept of fairness, exceptionalism, and most of all equality.
Whether we are male, female, white, black, young, old, we all need to develop skills to encourage the fruits of our labors. Here, from this one very particular incident, I'm hearing the contrary. That because we fall into "blank column" we deserve, demand an immediate pass and invitation. And for me, again for me alone, I feel that mentality allows weakness, not strength or talent or skill to be encouraged.
Besides, from that one episode alone, I can personally say I do not need to help anyone handle and cope with their insecurities, and for me those very lengthy 12 minutes, felt more akin to a therapy session, than a fun, informative, and engaging application to join a club or warrant a listen from anyone outside her own personal friend circle.
Just my thoughts, and again, feel free to give or not give a shit. I can, and need to handle it, either way. We all do....
Quoted from WeLoveScott:I love Groucho.
”I met her at the world's fair in 1900, marked down from 1940.”
It's amazing how many of their gags still hold up. Make me smile almost immediately!
Quoted from Darscot:Starts to listen to podcast, listen to voice and looks at picture of lady on podcast, she is person of color, I'm confused?! Americans and skin tones are really hard to follow.
I kinda thought the same thing too.
Well, always remember Gender/Race/Etc.>Talent/Experience/Wisdom.
Americans love the idea of the melting pot, but man we are the quickest culture to express invalidation or validation because of it, rather than simply let the flavors simmer and appreciate them.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/backbox-pinball-podcast/e/66496035?autoplay=true
I've been listening to her cast from a few episodes back. It's far more reasonable, engaging for sure. I don't listen to many opinion podcasts at this point though. Just kinda run down from them.
I guess it does seem weird, that she felt hurt from not being invited, but her show definitely seems based around women in pinball. I'm not stating that was anyone's prerogative in not asking her immediately, but there is an irony to being exclusive, then being upset.....at feeling excluded.
Overall, I kinda figured this entire network announcement would have the most disgruntled attitude coming from Kaneda. He seems to have held his tears back well, put on a brave face, and moved forward. Good for him!
Quoted from Darscot:So I listened to her entire episode on the subject and I'm sorry but if this was an interview for a position I would not hire this women. The only reason she provides as to why she should have been included is that she is working through some personal issues and has a vagina. If she had said here is what I bring, I have X number of episodes, I have Y number of followers on social media, I bring Z views on a weekly basis. Here is audio/video of my highlights and examples of my content and editing. Here is what I bring to the table as far as marketing and expansion. I drop my content at this time, on this day because it has proven to bring me the highest numbers and I feel if you have availability in this slot I could really help grow the network. Off the top of my head I would say 85% of the episode is her whining and being emotional, the rest she does mention women related causes and some type of chapters but she never explains what these chapters are. I just assume they are some type of women only groups. She doesn't provide goals/targets or any kind of roadmap of how she hopes to achieve them. She does drop some names about past and future guest but no context of who these people are and what they bring beyond that she loves them. I don't have issue with her very emotional delivery but I would expect her to clarify if that is the type of content she likes to deliver or what to expect when working together. Again if I was interviewing her I would tell her to properly prepare, present herself in a more professional manner and try again in the future.
I listened to a few of her other casts last night, and they're definitely not in that emotional range, far more balanced.
Quoted from Who-Dey:But regardless of that, she still showed who she really is in that one podcast. Her podcast also just aren't very good anyways. I have no desire to be around anyone that feels the way that she does. Sorry but theres got to be something mentally wrong with someone who thinks that way. Guess what though, Zach didn't invite me to be part of the team either and im an old angry white guy. Screw you Zach “Meanie”! I think I'm going to get on the internet and just tell everyone that he hates women and old angry white guys. We are people too dammit!
I definitely have a lot of issues with how she presented her argument/demands, but that is also a small part of who she is, and I can only assess/judge so much from that sliver. And I only have an assessment due to her projecting openly an intimation publicly of discrimination.
That said....
Not going to go down the moral douchebag soapbox today like I did yesterday, but this constant Kaneda issue is just bizarro.
Firstly, people either seem to wish to be seen and validated by him, or sandbag him seemingly daily on this site.
Robin banned him, via his discretion, and it's his site. So be it. But for people to continually be able to slander him, question his character, air past transgressions and things that he did or said on here or offline, and to do so with NO ability for him to defend himself on here, is grotesque and pathetic. Where is the moderation in this daily bullying?
What an easy punching bag to make of this dude, huh? He can't hit back. And then when he does via his podcast, more fuel is tossed on the ever smoldering fires here. Who wins there, his haters or him???
For people that loathe him, for whatever bizarre personal reason (Did he skullfuck your dead Grannie???) maybe let his name and dastardly deeds smolder and fizzle out. But you guys jump nearly daily to resurrect him, ala Ben Kenobi, striking him down...making him more powerful as some weird Pinside Ghost.
It's sad. It's pathetic. Move on. Do something with your life, rather than verbally punch a dude in the face that can't directly hit back. Does his life, personality, podcast success, career, etc. irk you so much, as to you feeling the need to publicly douse him daily?
He's a person. He's apologized many times for things he did, and the ridiculous asinine behavior he had. I'd be curious for every critic of his, to have as open and revealing negative things out there in the spotlight, as you haters do to him daily. Stop. Throwing. Stones. And let it go for Christ's sake.
I have no horse in this race. Never met him, most likely never will. He has not skullfucked my dead Grannie either, to my knowledge anyway. I DO know, for one thing, that I won't endlessly take potshots and bully someone that has no direct way to correspond and defend themselves. That is not only possibly libel, but most of all COWARDLY.
End obnoxious boring verbal tirade. Stepping off douchebag soapbox and burning it.
Quoted from TheLaw:jesus please. Make sure to use some mouthwash after that post too.
Cool man, cool. Thanks for that valuable dialog. Does it ever come served with anything else other than a side of snark?
Quoted from chuckwurt:Just posting a link. Others were looking for it.
No worries. Not directly inferred towards yourself, just towards the general tone I see near daily across threads. The unmitigated hate. It's sad.
Tossing a link out there, is only fuel though, to help make him appear foolish, again. Repeat, rinse, repeat. That seems the nature of this site all too often, and burning away at a dude who hasn't even posted on here, for literally years.
Quoted from TheLaw:Its not snark for shark's sake, I find your post revolting & ludicrous.
If you do, then choose to elaborate versus the appearance of snark or a salty slam at me? Who are you anyway? I'd never dare take a shot at someone with what I assume is the angle you just took. I mean you're seemingly stating I suck his dick....because I don't wish to see someone slandered day after day after day? What an ass I must be.
What did he personally do to you? What have I done to you?
Let's maybe try an adult road, versus whatever angle you seem to prefer. Let's do that maybe.
Words, carefully chosen, and without barbs, slams, cheapshots, and condescension.
Quoted from TheLaw:The is no point to talking it out. Nothing we say is going to change the others opinion on the subject.
I don't have any issue with you personally, just your long letter claiming libel and slander, which is of course recockulus.
Ideally a forum is designed to allow opinions and thoughts to be voiced, and quite possibly shift or alter one another's in the process. I'm open to having my vision blurred, but I'm just not open to see someone be bullied daily.
Either let him defend himself in the forum, or ban malicious, salacious or blatant shit talk of the guy. Civility isn't asking for much, is it? If you think him the devil, don't act worse than the devil.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Which road are the “skullf*cking granny” signs on, and how carefully do you choose words like “you think I suck his sick?”
For such a verbosely low road guy, with a supposed aversion to condescension, you sure take the condescending low road a lot while calling for high road, adult, barb-free discussion.
And I mean a lot. Are you getting paid by the word or something?
It's often pretty clear on here how you feel about Kaneda, so apologies for trying to be in the middle, and just not see him slurred day after day. It's gross and petty. You dislike him? Be "better" than him.
Granny skullfucking was an obvious attempt at trying to approach levity, while illustrating how constant the attacks towards "the one who shan't be named" seem.
TheLaw suggested I use mouthwash after writing my post. What else is to be inferred here? Especially after a day or so ago, someone else made some shitty barb in the Rick and Morty thread, (Unmoderated) about what his dick tastes like. I asked TheLaw to clarify here. He chose not to. Pile on, for sure. He's a bigboy, he can handle it, no?
Quoted from TheLaw:Apparently it is asking too much, rules on by the owners and moderators of this site. But wait, Wesman shows up a year ago so he must know letter and go out of his way to heal site.
Thanks dude, we're OK.
The owner rarely makes an appearance, and given my initial complaint, moderation happens more towards direct attacks, than towards people slandering an ex user.
You don't have a problem with me, but....here's an issue with how I wish to see moderation in action. That doesn't make any sense.
So again, no discussion, just mocking my intent, then shove off. Passive aggressive...aggressive.
Quoted from wlf_:The story was brought up unasked for from a second hand recollection, which can unintentionally be inaccurate, so I appreciated the link. It is good to get info from "primary" sources if something like that is brought up.
I also am gonna disagree with your point about making someone "appear foolish, again." People can and do change, most often for the better. It sounds like that seems to be the case here, at least going off the accounts of him having made amends with some individuals.
Your implication seems to be that bringing up past behavior is just ragging on a person, I could be wrong? but I feel that we are all reasonable adults here, and to be honest more so see the positive change in actions and growth, and hope others do too.
Everyone is human, and makes mistakes. Were all imperfect, recognizing growth here is my take away, fwiw.
I did the same thing, a year or so ago. Read the same thread, and he definitely seems to have matured some as time has gone on.
My issue isn't with him or trying to understand him, it's the lack of maturity towards him from others, a ghost that isn't even allowed to exist here, just be roasted daily.
As for being reasonable adults....I'd whole heartedly agree, if people could forgive, and live and let live on here. Doesn't seem the lay of the land to me though.
Quoted from TheLaw:Feel free to start a moderators feedback thread explaining how you'd like comments aboot non members to be handled.
We get you're point, we've heard it.First, your intent is to better Pinside even though you really don't know what the fuck you are talking aboot. Can we talk aboot Football man any way we choose as a non member? Or actor woman, or any of the 6 billion people on the face of the earth? Will we get a sad little, excuse me, super long-winded kicking rocks moping post from you every time?
Second, did you just slander me sir?!
I slander your slander, and up you a slander!
I got tired of reading my posts three posts ago....
I've kinda come to the conclusion that pinball just doesn't have enough going on to warrant all this forum action, hence this entire thread, among others, of bullshittery.
f42083883d550a9d8a7726c1140180d8 (resized).jpgQuoted from CrazyLevi:I think it was libel?!
Not sure. Regardless, very low road barbs on display here!
I always have to look that up. Libel is written, slander is verbal.
Either way, I'm glad I've never had to use either term very seriously.
Quoted from flynnibus:You act like he was some victim... thrown out midtsream and unable to defend himself. That is not the case at all. He had the platform and opportunity but instead used it a weapon. He often was the aggressor and instigator. He trolled... he went after people... he crossed lines that never should be crossed. He went from an attention whore to nasty, antagonist cancer. Don’t forget his woes started before pinside... he had been ran out of every online community he was a part of. The reason he was shown the door was not because of differences of opinion, nor censorship, but because the guy literally could not conduct himself in a civil adult manner.
Your comments come across as naive of what really went down. This is what he nurtures with his selective history telling and whitewashing of his own content.
I definitely wasn't around back then, and am not aware of the full brunt of how he acted. A year or so ago I read about the event incident, and tried to read through posts he started, to try and get a feel for what his presence was like, and what that entailed.
I can only say he isn't here now, and now the way for him to retort is his podcast. And all the disdain only gives him more fodder. So if people continue the angst, it's an evergreen tree for him to pluck at. Forget and forgive....or just forget even harder, and he has less to discuss on his cast. Win, win for those that are irked by his legacy, no?
Oh well, back to work.
Quoted from tacshose:I suggest the thread be closed. We now know why the podcasts all quit. Maybe a new Pinball Network thread be opened in the basement.
You mean the Sewer!!
Quoted from flynnibus:This is what you seek... pints and pinball... recently back from hiatus... and maybe right on time?
For your consideration... https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-pints-and-pinball-podcast-homebrew-pinball-arcade-stuff#post-5423381
Holy smokes man. What happened to your friend's Lebowski..... Glad you guys got it back together, and the episode had a nice flow and rapport to it!
Is your one friend the brewer? Link to the brewery?
Quoted from Mr68:Interesting update to that post from Bigehrl, who is Jon, the owner of Jackbar in Brooklyn.
A month ago Jon did a face to face interview with Kaneda at Jackbar and its one of Kman's best podcasts of all time. I learned to like and respect Jon as a person and as an operator from that podcast. I'm really glad he was able to put past issues aside and do a very candid, informative interview.
https://soundcloud.com/kanedapinball/episode-434-jon-from-jackbar
What Chris did that day to CrazyLevi, Tim Sexton and NYCPC was incredibly moronic and he deserves his ban from the tournament. He also earned his permanent ban from Pinside for what he repeatedly did to Robin, the Moderators and many good Pinsiders. Pinsiders that I like, admire and respect, even when they so quickly down-vote me for my Kaneda support.
But I get it.
Jesus, I just went back and reread that your post and that thread. I remember reading it months back, never connected from that Kaneda interview a few weeks ago that Jon had started that thread till just now.
He seemed really congenial, relaxed, and at ease in the back and forth. Really amazing his sense of forgiveness and ability to move on. He certainly didn't have to.
He seems like a pretty savy business owner too, and next time I head over that way, I'd be more than happy to play there, enjoy some good beer, and appreciate the pretty cool sounding venue he's created.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:This is simply one of the best points in this entire thread.
I think a lot of people underestimate the power of seeing "someone like me".
Only problem there, NO one....is like Harvey Keitel.
18086-harvey-keitel (resized).jpgQuoted from chuckwurt:Can confirm this is just a portion of the networks offerings.
Podcasts, you tube vids, etc. all going to be covered.
Hey Chuck, apologies for assuming your intent the other day regarding the link you posted. That's on me, and my assumptions.
On account of your link, and that other fellow's post, I finally listened to the final part, the proposal Jon made on Kaneda's show yesterday in my car, and I can say I genuinely appreciate seeing people getting together via their love for a shared interest, and helping one another move past ugly transgressions, and choosing to push forward in friendship. Feels like a lesson I wish all of us humans, myself certainly included, carried with us daily. Live and let live.
Congrats to you on joining TPN, and here's hoping overall it brings more comradery than dissension. We all know we could use more of the former, and less of the latter.
Cheers! 
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Quoted from ZMeny:Introducing the next podcaster to join The Pinball Network.....YOU!
Off The Record Pinball Podcast is the chance to record your own episode (solo, duo, group). You choose the format, you choose the topics, you choose your show. Be part of something. Be creative. Be heard.
Ever want to try out pinball podcasting, but worried about the long-term commitments, setting up the logistics, or building an audience? Give it a try, you may have fun!
Sign up now by emailing [email protected] and we can put you on the schedule.[quoted image]
We know by "You", Zach means.... @LTG!
Quoted from ZMeny:I wouldn’t be opposed to that I’d definitely be a listener. How’s about you Wesman? Isn’t it time? Let’s get you on a mic!
Haha, someday.....but after Lloyd gets out there! I did about 30 or so odd episodes with a friend, not pinball related, years ago.
Watched and dug your blindfolded unboxing video last night! The skill level, and suspense of that stool going underneath, had me glued to my seat....as well as a few good beers!
Quoted from LTG:I could have a moron of the week award too. Like the first guy that tried to get me fired. Or the man I had to explain wire to. Or the hour spent walking a man through removing three connectors and two screws. A frikken hour.
And a prize if someone figures out who the moron was.
LTG : )
I think you've got your first couple of shows here friend!
Someone let ZMeny know!
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Quoted from ccbiggsoo7:is that like anal sex?
Consult the magic 8 ball on that one!
Err, am I the only one that feels these podcasters might be taking themselves just a wee bit too seriously??? 
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