Title says it all... what are these worth? I saw a nice one at Pintastic listed at $2,100 but I dont know if it sold, and if it did, how much it sold for. Thanks all.
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Sparta, NJ
They are pretty rare, so it's tough to put an exact price on it. If you REALLY wanted the game pay it but I would offer around $1700-1800 in nice condition of course. Some people love these street level pins and others don't, I love them.
Quoted from ForceFlow:I'm not sure I would go over $1200 for one. Rare, yes; popular--not so much.
I think my 1700 and your 1200 is the difference between a big fan of the game and one who's not.
Quoted from ForceFlow:I'm not sure I would go over $1200 for one. Rare, yes; popular--not so much.
I agree with this. What little price history I've seen suggests ~$1200 is the top-out price. Vegas was the second-highest produced street level pin, and competitive players aren't really attracted to it due to the scoring imbalance of the left orbit shot. All that said, I hardly ever see them come up for sale (or any street level for that matter). I'm a fan of the street level concept (and own a couple myself) but I've never played this one so I can't weigh in more.
Quoted from Frippertron:I think my 1700 and your 1200 is the difference between a big fan of the game and one who's not.
Well, if I ever pick one up for a cheap price, I'll be sure to give you a shout when I'm ready to sell 
Quoted from Timerider:What is "street level" a reference to?
(as for Vegas... played one a couple years ago at Midwest Gaming Classic, and was one of the few machines I walked away thinking "What a dog.")
A series of back to basics single level (no ramps) games Premier tried in 1990-91. Vegas, Hoops, Deadly Weapon, Title Fight, Car Hop, and Silver Slugger. People seem to really like them or hate them. They were very creative though and are very interestingly designed. Collect them all!
Quoted from Timerider:What is "street level" a reference to?
A playfield with no ramps. Just a single level...no multiple levels or anything sticking up off the playfield too far.
Street level games were a series. Being single-level was an element of them, but there were some specifics goals in play with the experiment.
Article on them: https://www.pinballnews.com/site/2017/11/16/the-history-of-street-level-pinballs/
Quoted from wxforecaster:Game is terrible. Left orbit all day. Zzzzzz.
You have to knock the drops on the right down 3 times, then go for the orbit, which is progressive and goes up to multiple millions. Harder than it sounds. You can also go for the slot or cashier? Awards ( I forget what they are called), but there are two strategies on this pin. This pin has its fans.
Toronto, ON
I'd like them more if they weren't by Premier, but pointy flippers, toilet-bowl scoops, and wonky scoring aside, Vegas is kinda fun and is at least sort of geometrically interesting.
Quoted from Frippertron:You have to knock the drops on the right down 3 times, then go for the orbit, which is progressive and goes up to multiple millions. Harder than it sounds. You can also go for the slot or cashier? Awards ( I forget what they are called), but there are two strategies on this pin. This pin has its fans.
Fine, come find me at ReplayFX and we'll play dollar games. I'll go left orbit all day and you do the other stuff. We'll see whose wallet empties first 
i love vegas (the music is just amazing to me) i played the heck out of it in an arcade in emeryville,ca circa 1998 but wont pay more than a grand for it now.
I know a lot of people like to take dumps on the street level games (and, honestly, a lot of the criticism is probably deserved), but street level games, to me, had some of the most creative playfield layouts since the early Bally solid state games.
Even if they have horrendous rules imbalances, I still enjoy playing them.
Quoted from mbaumle:I know a lot of people like to take dumps on the street level games (and, honestly, a lot of the criticism is probably deserved), but street level games, to me, had some of the most creative playfield layouts since the early Bally solid state games.
Even if they have horrendous rules imbalances, I still enjoy playing them.
100% right, Max. I don't think anyone is saying that these are fantastic tournament games but they are an interesting part of pinball history with unique and clever shots ( deadly weapon, hoops, and car hop being the best layouts)
Quoted from Frippertron:100% right, Max. I don't think anyone is saying that these are fantastic tournament games but they are an interesting part of pinball history with unique and clever shots ( deadly weapon, hoops, and car hop being the best layouts)
I think half of them are probably fine for tournaments. Reviewing PAPA's directors' guide, half aren't listed with tournament concerns (Car Hop, Silver Slugger, and Hoops) and half are:
Deadly Weapon: Mystery award too random + valuable
Vegas: Left orbit too easy + valuable
Title Fight: Right loop too easy + valuable
Now whether any are to the level of fantastic, I've heard several high-level players call out Hoops as an excellent tournament game (but I know others who despise the layout, so like anything one's mileage may vary).
Left orbit all day and nothing else. Usually in the 900 range last 2 i saw Actually sell. They usually have pf wear from right flipper to left orbit as thats all anyone does who knows how to play pinball for points..lol
So back to price! If you really like the game, make an offer in the 1200-1500 range I would say. If you could live without it, move along.
Quoted from Frippertron:Did you make an offer?
Going to offer $400. Note that this is not the machine that was at Pintastic. My offer would be insulting for that machine. The game works. Has slight fade and some cabinet scratches. Looks like bottom middle of back box (in back) split slightly at one time and someone put metal brackets to support (someone may have tried to lower the backbox with the latch still in place). Needs a good cleaning but playfield looks pretty nice. Couple small wear spots near one pop bumper. Translite has couple small circular burn spots from bulbs behind them. Legs aren't correct and should be replaced. Overall, I would say its in pretty decent shape. Would clean up pretty nice. Thoughts?
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