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What machine did you bring home today? Post your pictures!

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#4321 7 years ago

Technically brought this home last night. Looking forward to cleaning it up! Really enjoying it so far!

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#4324 7 years ago
Quoted from cavalier88z24:

bet you were looking forward to those stairs!

Ha we've had to take about 6 or 7 arcade games and a pin down before so it's down to a science at this point. A terrible painful science .

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#4758 6 years ago

Laser war in the building!

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#6266 6 years ago

Traded a Silver Strike Bowling for this about two weeks ago and never posted here. It supposedly wouldn't start, but the coin mech wires were disconnected and the player 4 display was dead so I assume they didn't know it wasn't set to free play. Got it all cleaned up and working and just need to get the display and the plastic I'm missing behind the stand ups in front of the pops. If you have one to sell pm me!

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#6376 6 years ago
Quoted from Pinhead306:

I grabbed one close to home today finally! Right in my city.

Just got one of these myself a few weeks ago. I'd played it here and there and knew I liked it but man this game is more fun than I thought!

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#6459 6 years ago

On my short list!

#6475 6 years ago
Quoted from McPin54:

This game is so underrated. Cab is a little rough but playfield is extremely nice and plays fantastic. I'm not too far so if you get the itch to play shoot me a PM sometime.

Judging by your collection I may have to take you up on that. I'll bring the beer?

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#7045 6 years ago

Saw this on the Facebook marketplace for $1,000, which is way too much. Offered $400 and to come now and we have pin #5!

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#7052 6 years ago
Quoted from Broohaha:

It's pretty pedestrian given what I see in this post, but I'm super stoked with my very clean SM. First table. Kids love it. I'm having a blast. Have to thank all the pinsiders for the help and advice!
I suppose the logical question is: what should I put on either side of SM?

I think your avatar answers half that question!

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#7837 6 years ago

Brought this home today and it's especially great for a few reasons, aside from being a fun lawlor pin with all the features I was looking for in my next game. When I started collecting, the idea of owning a DMD game let alone a Stern game seemed like something I would never be able to do financially. Through a few deals and trades I was able to get the cash for this one and also take my 17 month old son to pick up what I hope is the first of many games we get to clean up and play together.

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#7842 6 years ago
Quoted from StormyX73:

I love it that you took your son! I have a boy the same age and I have done the measurements to check I could fit him and his seat, the pinball machine and possibly a trolley too in the car. You know, just in case we have to go and 'just have a look' (my usual excuse!) at a machine for sale.

He loves watching the machines and the wheels on the dolly equally at this point but I'm hoping to win him over soon!

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#8170 6 years ago

Pretty heavy project for the spring but will be back to life eventually!

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#8325 5 years ago
Quoted from weaverj:

funny, friend help has been few and far between for me lately, too. they usually would go on the hunt with me before; now i can barely get them to help me unload at my house. #bums.

Quoted from CollinT:

I've done pizza parties, beer, you name it. One of my friends has helped a ton and he finally bailed on me yesterday. #theyknow

Gotta just find someone else in the hobby! Me and my buddy seem to trade game moving favors on a monthly basis so it's a good system. We can't say no because we know we'll just need help again soon ha.

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#8470 5 years ago

$550 off the Facebook marketplace. Not a bad Tuesday!

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#8473 5 years ago
Quoted from bluespin:

You certainly weren’t......mousin around......were you?

Lol, I think I may have been actually. So pumped!

#8477 5 years ago
Quoted from CollinT:

Cheesy bonus, such a fun game! What a score! hows the playfield and plastics?
Facebook seems to be the place for hidden deals, found my non working Pinbot for $150.

Very dirty lol it was under a tarp in the basement but should clean up good. I'll have some time to get into it tonight and can get some better pics for sure. Insane pinbot grab! I usually see a killer deal once every few weeks on FB and this time I got lucky and was the first message. The guy held it for me even though he was getting offers of double and triple, couldn't believe it!

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#8648 5 years ago
Quoted from whisper:

Very underrated game that Nascar, i used to have the Grand Prix version, fantastic game lots to do, true sleeper title, congrats.

I love mine. I really think it's one of the best values for the money. Multiple multiballs, good theme integration (not a NASCAR fan), spinners, 2 ramps, 11 modes with 2 wizard modes and some sub-modes, great use of drop targets with the risk/reward for mode bonus...and a Lawlor game with flow to boot. Once I played the game and looked past the theme I was hooked.

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#8769 5 years ago
Quoted from SilverUnicorn:

Monopoly gets a pretty bad rap, but I enjoy it. Great long ramp shots, lots to do. When shopped it's a really nice looking machine too. Congrats!
Chris

Agreed! I got to play it for the first time at the ohio show this year. Alot packed in there for the money for sure. I really enjoyed it!

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#9144 5 years ago

I think we did ok for $500 off FB. Don't even know if it boots yet (he said it did until the start button stopped working). Looked at the boards and saw a leaky battery but no real damage so off we went. Should be a fun project or player!

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#9178 5 years ago
Quoted from alexmogil:

I got really, really lucky.

Was that the one for $750 on CL? Nicely done if so!

#9200 5 years ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

I brought this manliest of manly men home today!

Lol, must be the week for these. Might hit you up for tips trying to get mine going .

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#10202 5 years ago
Quoted from Colsond3:

That Fireball looks like it’s in excellent shape. To this day it amazes me how many people / non-collectors have a single pinball game tucked away somewhere in their house.

I've gotten a Mousin Around and a Frontier from people like this this year off FB for $500 each. The Mousin Around was sitting in a basement under a sheet with some tools on it and the Frontier was basically a bookshelf.

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#10303 5 years ago
Quoted from timtim:

Well I got another skateball
I don't think I'll let this one leave.
It's definitely a player but after some easy repairs it's running and play surprisingly well
I'll probably shop it today
Also I might need to expand.
Best part was the wife asked what game I got rid of
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If you need to make room and sell that baywatch let me know!

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#10615 5 years ago
Quoted from corvair61:

Got this one today. Very fun game!
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Oooooo bitchin! Makes me miss mine.

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#11340 5 years ago
Quoted from PantherCityPins:

Just picked this one up after a 6.5 hour drive this morning. About to head back! Playfield looks good, a few broken plastics but everything else is there. Will need cleanup and the display just reads “Failure” when the machine turns on so some board issues to sort out.
The good news is I got it for $1000 so there’s plenty of room to get it right.
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Oh man jealous! Your adjust failure error is likely just dead batteries or possibly a bad holder/cold solder. I’d check for any leakage on the board in that area if you haven’t yet.

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#11411 5 years ago

Feel the power of the wind!

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#11441 5 years ago

Totally - been taking back and forth on a local trade for a while and we got to a good deal. I've been after one of these for a while to add to my system 11 keeper list. Finally got my top 3!

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#11692 4 years ago

I guess this is technically a machine. Spotted an escalara on FB last night for $800 bucks and my wife actually had to talk me into it to save my back since I was wavering on spending the money. Glad she got me to come to my senses!

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#11719 4 years ago
Quoted from cletus:

Welcome to the club! There’s a good group of pinsiders currently restoring these.

Quoted from Geteos:

Thanks! I've been reading through a few of the restoration threads. Lots of good info and help going on now with reviving these machines. Going to spend some time tomorrow going over it to see what my plan of attack will be.

I was just thinking about looking for one of these for my next project too. Tis the season I guess!

#11721 4 years ago

Gotta find a broken one at a reasonable price first .

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#11927 4 years ago

1 year for flatulence. Sorry picture sucks, got the game in then had to run.

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#11952 4 years ago

Quick 4 hour round trip after work for a cheap project!

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#12092 4 years ago
Quoted from stavio:

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That’s a sexy System 11 my god.

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#12232 4 years ago
Quoted from the96stang:

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Quoted from herbertbsharp:

If you have one that works and want to sell, let me know

Ha same here

Did you grab one of these from Michigan? There was one on FB this week but I couldn't get a straight answer from the seller on if it actually worked to gamble on a 4 hour drive.

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#12322 4 years ago

Picked up a personal grail game this weekend and didn't even get the first game on it

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#12753 4 years ago

Technically a Thursday night trade! Been after this for a while!

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#12807 4 years ago
Quoted from stavio:

She just arrived. Only needs some plastics[quoted image]

Last System 11 on my wishlist! When you're done with it give me a shout lol.

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#12876 4 years ago

Pulled these out of a basement tonight along with a Flipper Pool that my buddy took. Not bad for $300 bucks each working! Harlem will get cleaned up and stay, King of Diamonds will be up for sale soon.

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#13199 4 years ago
Quoted from Ballypin:

No Uber, do it old school with a Taxi.
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This was a Facebook marketplace ad in Southern Ohio about 90 minutes from my house. I saw the ad at work minutes after it was posted and was the first to reply. The seller kept his word even though he received over 40 replies and with offers higher than his asking price. I did end up offering more than his asking price.
It’s not perfect, it has some planking and wear in the upper pf area, a few broken plastics but a lower playfield Mylar. It boots up but won’t start a game...sounds like a locked ball is not kicking out and is doing a ball search but the displays are not working so could be a power supply or display driver board issue. Should be a minor fix.
And it is the Marilyn version.

So that's where that ended up. Thought for sure I would just see it reposted by the seller or the flipper for 2-3x the price within an hour. Nice grab!

#13243 4 years ago
Quoted from BenB:

Finally got this moved from my wishlist to my basement! “The Storm Is Coming!!”[quoted image]

Now get out!

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#14372 4 years ago

Edit: I've been drinking and this is not the secret Santa thread.

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#14945 4 years ago
Quoted from SNES:

Picked these three up in one scoop last night! Amazing deal and couldn’t be happier to have some real pinball back in the house! Have a virtual, but nowhere near the same. Also bought this nickel candy bar dispenser. And the seller threw in an *according to him* original porcelain Pepsi sign for free as well. Couldn’t be happier! If anyone knows anything about the candy machine or Pepsi sign, I’d love to hear it![quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Nice! If you get bored of that Jack*Bot please feel free to let me know!

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#15021 4 years ago

Hounded tonyhoff1 for the last year to sell me this one and finally broke him down .

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#16334 3 years ago

Had to move some stuff out but I've been wanting this game for years. Finally landed my all time favorite Stern game.

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#16379 3 years ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

Not a pin but thanks to ronss who picked this 72’ Midway Bullseye EM dart game up for me I was able to bring “Iggy” & “Hank” home. It needs a good cleaning, a line cord, and a little tweaking but it should be an easy fix. I wanted to have something a little different in the game room.
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I've got the "modern" version of one of these with a PCB called Electro- Dart. They are pretty fun to play when you have people over and want to have a drink and sit and chat and take a break from pinball.

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#16415 3 years ago
Quoted from BeaglePuss:

The seller just popped it on as I was loading up. Didn’t think anything of it. I generally don’t put anything on it honestly. No shrink, no cardboard, etc. Fold the head down and go nuts.
She arrived safe and sound.
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Still hope to have one of these to round out my system 11 grails but the price has gotten insane on these.

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#16660 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

Aaaaarrrrrrrgggg, ye mateys! The Rose be Black says I.
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Was that the one off FB? Killer deal if so!

#16719 3 years ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

Not sure if he posted this one on FB. This was the one listed here about 3-4 weeks ago from MD. It’s a beauty.

Got ya, not the same one then but great looking pick up!

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#17197 3 years ago

Still some Radical! deals on Craigslist if you look hard enough...

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#17401 3 years ago

Had been trying to find a nice SlugFest at a reasonable price for a while and finally scored a super clean one from a nice pinsider last night!

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#17407 3 years ago
Quoted from Bos98:

Found less than 7 minutes from home and super deal too!
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Was that the one on FB? Was wondering what it would go for ha.

#17417 3 years ago
Quoted from Bos98:

Substantially less than what they were asking, which was based off of what they paid retail from Danny Vegh's years ago...

Nice! Between the initial asking price and the scammy looking profile I didn't even want to bother lol. If you get sick of it and want to move it off or find a trade hit me up!

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#17790 3 years ago

Have had this one on the list for a long time. I doubt it was routed for very long, the left shooter lane is spotless, the right one was taken before any clean up. Need to LED it but it's playing great.

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#17792 3 years ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Getting closer to the day to move this down the road (being traded, along with a few bucks, for a getaway). I can't believe how heavy every piece of this thing feels...
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That is commitment right there!

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#17989 3 years ago
Quoted from Lhyrgoif:

Finally got this game home; B/W 90's games are the best in my opinion. Most stuff works but it needs lots of cleaning and fixing. It will then be a beauty (again).
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Great game! Just got one of these myself and it cleaned up amazingly!

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#18028 3 years ago

Have some colorful GI to clean up but brought down a pretty nice example of this one.

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#18047 3 years ago
Quoted from alexanr1:

Would love to pick up another used machine, but people are asking ridiculous prices for machine now! How are folks finding deals, or maybe you aren’t and are paying these ridiculous high prices!

Most actual "deals" are going to be on FB marketplace these days. The problem is you have 500 other people constantly watching so you're basically playing the lottery hoping to get lucky. There is occasionally something on CL or the sales apps like Offer Up but those usually seem to be scams or junk, at least around here.

When I'm buying or trading games unless it's a deal I tend to stick to local collectors I know and have dealt with before. Prices tend to be more realistic and just much less of a hassle. Any networking you can do helps too. My neighbor is a realtor and has spotted a few games in houses she was listing and asked the owners if they planned to take them. The more you can train people to watch for you the better ha!

#18049 3 years ago
Quoted from alexanr1:

Even FB market page is thru the roof. People are nuts on prices. I have offered several what they are worth and all have said no.

You need to look in the public market (not the pinball groups) and look in the local generic buy/sell/trade groups and post want ads on there. It is still like finding a needle in a haystack, don't get me wrong, but when the deals do pop up that is where they will be, and usually gone in minutes unless a bidding war starts. Have cash and car ready. I've gotten a good amount of steals off there but missed alot too.

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#18644 3 years ago
Quoted from transprtr4u:

Let me know when the EATPM has to go....

The last system 11 on my wishlist!

#18717 3 years ago
Quoted from AlexF:

My wife would be dying for that municipal Christmas lantern. We have a couple pieces. She loves that stuff.

Same here! Love the vintage Christmas stuff...we need a thread for this...

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#19025 3 years ago
Quoted from Liftserv:

lesmanley and hazmat7719 mine came from a haul a few years back, got some pins, vids, claw machines, Skeeball, and bubble gum machines. At the time I thought what the heck am I going to do with this? Turns out my wife had the idea of taking the eggs filling them with candy,loose change and dollar bills (in the gold eggs). We did this for Easter Sunday with the egg hunt for the grand kids, nieces and nephews. Turned out to be a heck of a lot of fun for them. Best part is when they learned about the gold eggs they started to tackle each other to get gold ones, lesson learned.[quoted image]

I've tried to buy one of these about 3 different times and every time the seller has it sitting in a barn or something and its convinced it's selling for 500+ on eBay. I'd love to find one at a decent price eventually.

#19067 3 years ago
Quoted from Ceckitti:

Gentlemen (and ladies).....start your engines!
Was never a big fan of this one, but was a good deal.
Gonna need to work though. Already know the test car needs rebuilt (not registering hits), needs cleaned desperately, and new LEDs and rings.
But should look good once done. Sadly I have to move a few out to the garage to make room to work on this one in the basement.
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I had one of these for a while and I do miss it. It is a very overlooked game because of the theme. You can backhand all the shots, it has like 11 modes and 3 or 4 multiballs, 2 wizard modes and the bash toy opens to a scoop...give it a chance for sure!

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#19136 3 years ago
Quoted from Murphdom:

I know how you feel. I just moved a shuffle alley that weighs about the same and after that I am seriously considering getting an escalera.

Do it! I don't know how I went this long without one.

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#19268 3 years ago
Quoted from TractorDoc:

Brought home some late 80's goodness this weekend, and I ain't lyin' man.
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The new game room is officially overfull!

Nice grab! I messaged the lady selling that one and she replied "thanks" and that was all I heard ha.

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#19385 3 years ago
Quoted from RWH:

Not a pin but I'm pumped just picked this up for $248.00 bucks at a Home Buy store my sis works at in Norwood. It was a floor model display somewhere but it is pristine, hell still had the protective blue film on the moldings. Played so many damn games of Asteroids and Centipede was rear was sore from sitting all day! lol
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Nice! My buddy actually got one of these to keep at his parents cabin and we were messing with it a while back before he took it up. They are pretty cool for the price and you can hack more games into them!

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#19593 3 years ago

Who knows what evil lurks in the back of a Chevy Traverse...

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#19847 2 years ago

Quit talkin', and start...putting a game back together from boxes...

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#20049 2 years ago
Quoted from Acronymicon:

I was in the middle of refinishing my game room when a good deal (I hope) on a routed TSPP came up 4 hours south of me, so 3.75K$ and 8 hours of driving later this is what I came home with.
Needs all the flippers rebuilt, some decals, and rubbers, but the playfield, ramps, mechs, and toys are all good to great, just a tad grimy.
My one concern is the bit of battery leak damage, only on the component side of the board, which was cleaned with only flux remover according to the previous owner. One chip leg is a bit green.
Think I should hit it with some vinegar? I already have a replacement IC and socket en-route with a ridiculous 6 flipper rebuild kits.
I am loving it so far even with the flipper slop.
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Damn would kill for that deal, great grab.

#20069 2 years ago
Quoted from Happy81724:

Just brought home a Bally’s grand slam! It came with some cool trading cards too! I kind of want to open them but I know I shouldn’t
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Open em and frame them into some sort of topper!

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#20884 2 years ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Selection looks great around here. Truly.
Guess now I know why they didn't show the cab in the ad... lol
// no, I didn't offer on it as I'm not working on any project that might need donor parts from this. Sadly, that's all I see here.
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Yikes...I hope they meant make an offer on how much they would pay you to haul that away

#20946 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

Star Trek premium is a beautiful game. I had a pro twice and really wanted a premium or LE. I love that deep red. Congrats!

ST is my favorite game too. I'd love to upgrade my pro one day.

#20948 2 years ago

Ha, all it takes is money One day!

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#21435 2 years ago

Winter is coming!

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#21925 2 years ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Had my buddy bring me a couple new toys to play around with and sent him with my BKSOR as collateral for the time being.
Cats is pretty rough, but plays. It will need a full shop job and a new set of plastics..the cab will need some attention with stencils, but that'll be much later.
Slugfest seems to work fine from what I can tell although it does have a credit dot. No idea if Slugfest will be a forever keeper, this is my first trial with a pitch and bat. We'll see what the kids think.
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If you have the space, SlugFest is alot of fun, especially with kids if the card dispenser works. It gets alot of play when I have people over or when there are kids down there. Admittedly it's not the best one player experience but if you have a spot you don't mind it taking up I love mine.

#21929 2 years ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Yeah, I'm hoping the kids love it. I cleared one space (BKSOR) to fit both of these, although Bad Cats absolutely needs stripped down and fully shopped at a minimum (it's FILTHY) so I could have gotten away with keeping BKSOR around a bit longer... oh well. I'm looking forward to seeing how the kids feel about it.

Doesn't seem to be anything special here besides all matching boards (except for the power supply -- bummer). I think it's just *that* dirty lol
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I think the kids will, I love it too! I find non pinball people really gravitate towards it when we have people over. When I have pinball people over its great because you can play any number of innings, so there are alot of people that will play 1 to 3 inning games waiting to play their ball on a pin, or we've had real quick dollar tournaments. Anyway - my sales pitch is complete!

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#22117 2 years ago

Had this game on my wishlist since before even getting into the hobby from playing it on pinball arcade. Finally landed a pretty clean one!

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#23074 2 years ago

I do all the driving and don't even get the first game on it when I get it home...

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#23377 1 year ago

Does this count? Grabbed this at PinBrew and it polished up pretty nice. I'll probably replace the base at some point.

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#24040 1 year ago

Hadn't really planned on this one but can't beat 12 minutes from home...

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#24050 1 year ago

Busy week this week...

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#24204 1 year ago

Not a pinball...but for $100 I think I'll be able to look past that. The wood laminate however...that is not long for this world.

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#24208 1 year ago
Quoted from edward472:

Lucky dog. You suck

Ha! I'm still in disbelief!

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#24266 1 year ago

Why buy the new Sterns anyway when you can get 2 old ones for cheap?

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#24269 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Oh man, great scoop. Stars is on my list.
Are you planning on trying the code updates on those? Galaxy transforms into a GREAT game (sorry, I think it's booooooooooring stock) with the 2021 code!

That does look pretty cool, I'll probably try it out...gotta get them playing first!

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#24494 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinkitten:

Ah, Star Trek pro. I’ve owned it twice and I’d gladly own it again. I really miss that warp ramp!

The secret is to not sell it! Wouldn't let mine go unless I lucked into a premium or LE. My favorite Stern!

#24498 1 year ago
Quoted from EvillePinball:

Really liking this trade so far!
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Huge upgrade there IMO ha. One day I'll land a TWD. Been debating throwing up my GoT for one...

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#24652 1 year ago
Quoted from MrMikeman:

“Surely you can’t be serious”.
“I am, and don’t call me Shirley”

It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now!

#24678 1 year ago
Quoted from Geocab:

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Picked this up last week. I've been looking for one for 6 years and finally got it.

Oh hell yeah!

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#25953 1 year ago

Happy Saturday to me.

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#25961 1 year ago
Quoted from aaron6920:

That is a happy saturday. TWD will be kicking your A** in no time

It has been for years ha. One of my favorite games ever and finally was able to land one. I’m a glutton for punishment.

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#26224 1 year ago
Quoted from luckycreature:

When it's only twenty five miles away you can take the risk that you can't fix everything yourself. Time to clean and troubleshoot as it's been neglected for many many years.
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Yeah baby, jackpot!

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#26486 11 months ago

Needs cleaned up and some tweaks but what a fun game.

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#27553 5 months ago
Quoted from jrcmlc:

This is my wife as well, however after reading the threads about bribing wives and buying them shit so guys can keep machines and how to sneak machines in and hide the expenses and blah blah blah, we are in the tiny minority.

People marry crazy people then are shocked when they end up crazy. If you need to sneak things past the person you married and shared a house with you’ve got some deeper problems that need to be addressed in that relationship outside pinball ha.

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#27772 4 months ago

Not a pin but have been looking for a cabaret for a while after selling my upright years ago. One of my favorite arcade games ever.

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