Quoted from AkumaZeto:
Right but would you take 600 off your asking price and swap back for a buyer is my point.
Ok, so I'm going to say "no". But it doesn't cost $600 to powder coat. It costs me $100-200 and I definitely increase the resale price by that amount. If a person doesn't like powder coated machines, rather than try to get me to lower my price, they should go find another machine that's not powder coated. I don't powder coat for profit. But I also dont take loss on resale of my machines.
Quoted from AkumaZeto:
I think the biggest thing is never expect to get your money out of mods when you sell it. Its your modded machine not person a b but maybe c person might like it. If that makes sense.
I agree with this generally. However, I always add up all my mods and put them into the sale price anyway. When someone comes to look at the machine and its price includes mods, well that's the price. The price is advertised before the person comes. So if they didnt like the price to begin with they shouldn't have bothered coming. And if they dont like the mods or dont want to pay for them then why the hell are they looking at my machine that listed all the mods in the ad?
As an example, I bought a WCS. It was a routed game. I cleaned it up, powder coated everything white - legs, coin door, lockdown bar, rails, brackets. I bought a soccer ball plunger, put in chrome mirror blades, LEDs, and a sub. I added up my costs. $2200 into this machine. Outrageous for a WCS right? I kept it a while and decided to sell it. The game sold yesterday for $2200. It wasn't even up for sale 5 hours. Why? Because the game was extremely unique and nice. People that have come over have seen way before it was up for sale it and it was extremely easy to sell.
I have never lost money on selling a used machine I have bought used. If I get a used machine, it goes into my work shop. There it gets thoroughly shopped and cleaned. It gets sub woofered, powder coated, leds, mirror blades, and any other lighting mods it may need. If there is a plunger rod available for it that looks better than stock, I add that. Then if there are other cool mods I may add those. Target decals usually get printed, so do apron cards. All this gets tracked into price I have paid for the machine. I even include prices of flipper rebuild parts and broken plastics. When it's done it looks and plays like new. There isn't even a scratch on the coin door or a small dent on the side rails. Literally looks like it came out of the box. Only now does it go into my house. Here it sits until my friends and I are tired of it. At this point, it goes back out to the shop and goes up for sale. The sale price reflects everything I've done to the machine. I have never had a hard time reselling a machine for my costs. I have never had a machine up for sale for more than a week. So why in the world would I ever lower my sale price for someone that wants to do something crazy like pull out leds and put bulbs back in? That person can go buy another machine.
I will say, my games all play like they were brand new out of the box. I am obsessed with perfect flippers, perfectly adjusted slings, and tight pop bumpers. I rebuild flippers every time I get a used game. They are never perfect until I'm done. My games are waxed every 100-150 plays. They always play like new.
Now as far as LEDs being too bright or strobey, that's the problem with the person doing the LED job. To be honest, I have never bought a machine with LEDs in it that I didnt end up pulling every led out and redoing it myself. The problem is that most LED jobs end up with a huge section of totally bright colors and a middle section of totally dark. Then the ball strobes as it moves. Further, the inserts look overly bright because the contrast between the dark and light is so bad. It can be a mess and really hard to play in a poorly lit room. (A stock game with incandescents can be difficult to play in a poorly lit room also). When I do LEDs, I add 4-6 spotlights into the game to properly illuminate the playfield. This eliminates the strobing and also helps the brightness issue because the general contrast ratio isn't so bad. Properly done LED jobs can look really good.
I am new to this hobby, less than 3 years in. I have no value to nostalgia. I did not play pinballs when I was young. I think old pinballs are ugly and look old. Where you might think regular bulbs look nice and LEDs look gaudy, I think LEDs look nice and regular bulbs look dull.
It is all personal opinion. But there are plenty of games out there. If a person doesn't want one of my modded games and wants a stock one, then why the hell are they at my place looking to buy my game? My game would have been represented as modded, leds, powder coated, etc in the ad. So if anyone comes over and tries to bargain based on these things being "bad" for them, then they're wasting both of our times and they can leave.