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What is the pinball term for this?

By Molon_Labe

4 months ago


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    #1 4 months ago

    I am new, so sorry in advance if this is considered a dumb question. The wife and I played a Godzilla today to see if it was a machine that we wanted to purchase. I have never played a machine that launched the ball into the middle of the play field vs the top. Is there an agreed upon or official pinball term for this type of ball launch? Are there any other well-known machines that have this type of ball delivery vs the standard top orbit entry?

    #2 4 months ago

    Many many games do this.

    #3 4 months ago

    All depends on the game designer where they want the ball to launch to.

    It is a good thing to have a variety of shots in a game these days to set it apart from others.

    #4 4 months ago
    Quoted from Molon_Labe:

    I am new, so sorry in advance if this is considered a dumb question. The wife and I played a Godzilla today to see if it was a machine that we wanted to purchase. I have never played a machine that launched the ball into the middle of the play field vs the top. Is there an agreed upon or official pinball term for this type of ball launch? Are there any other well-known machines that have this type of ball delivery vs the standard top orbit entry?

    Yes, the cross-playfield shot dates way back to the 30s and the invention of pinball itself. Ed Cebula did it often and so did Steve Ritchie.

    Examples:
    Flash
    Lethal Weapon 3

    #5 4 months ago

    I understand it's the designer's intent, but is there a term for it that I can use to see if a game has that type of ball delivery? I tried "side plunge" and some other terms, but nothing yielded any returns.

    Edit - I was typing when Isochronic_Frost posted. So, the term is "cross-playfield"?

    #6 4 months ago

    I don’t think there’s a specific searchable term for that type of ball launch. If you want to know whether a machine has it, you can search YouTube for gameplay videos of that machine to see the actual ball launch at work.

    #7 4 months ago
    Quoted from wolverinetuner:

    I don’t think there’s a specific searchable term for that type of ball launch. If you want to know whether a machine has it, you can search YouTube for gameplay videos of that machine to see the actual ball launch at work.

    Ok thanks. I will just plan to do that.

    #8 4 months ago

    Off the top of my head for games you can get new right now with cross-playfield plunges:

    Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden both plunge across to a left loop or left side ramp area, with several short-plunge skill shots to lower targets or lanes.

    Not sure you can still get them brand new, but Star Wars you plunge into the right-center stand-up target Bank, can then bank or short plunge into the left drops.

    Godzilla of course.

    Not cross playfield, but at least non-traditional: Stern Jurassic Park plunges to a 180 lift ramp and habitrail that delivers the ball to the right inlane. Several skill shots/combos to take then as the first shot(s).

    Hmm, I thought the list would longer, anyone else?

    #9 4 months ago

    I've never heard a specific term for it, one may exist, but if it does exist it's not commonly used.

    #10 4 months ago

    Let’s dub it “cross-fire”!

    #11 4 months ago

    Midfield launch, perhaps?

    #12 4 months ago

    There are many games that does this, it's not unusual.

    My Black Rose and Roadshow pins launches across the playfield if you plunge a bit harder.

    #13 4 months ago

    Getaway, thunderbirds

    #14 4 months ago
    Quoted from jackd104:

    Let’s dub it “cross-fire”!

    YoU'lL GeT KaUt uP IN DA....!!!!!

    #15 4 months ago

    It's just called launch trajectory.

    #16 4 months ago

    Tales from the Crypt
    Alien Poker
    Laser Cue
    High Speed
    Victory

    Then there's the halfway scoop launch.
    Diamond Lady
    Jurassic Park (Stern)

    This is an extensive list - more common than one would think.

    #17 4 months ago

    bring back center launches you cowards

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    #18 4 months ago

    Sometimes people refer to it as a "short plunge" as in "the skill shot has a short plunge" or name the type of shot it is like a figure 8 plunge or a ramp plunge like on Bally Fireball and 4 Million BC but I'm not sure if a specific name has been given to a skill shot that is unorthodox... speaking of which you can call it an 'unorthodox skill shot' I suppose...

    #20 4 months ago

    CONGO

    #21 4 months ago

    Whirlwind
    No Good Gofers
    No Fear
    Iron Maiden
    Twilight Zone
    Family Guy
    Terminator 2
    Last Action Hero
    Tales from the Crypt
    Shadow
    Theater of Magic
    Houdini
    Flash

    #22 4 months ago

    plenty of games don't launch all the way to the top of the playfield.

    just in my modest collection i can think of at least four games that launch to the midpoint or upper 2/3rds:

    Houdini
    Stern Grand Prix (re-themed NASCAR)
    Cirqus Voltaire
    NBA Fastbreak

    and then a bunch simply feed the launch back to the flippers:

    World Cup Soccer
    Theatre of Magic
    Doctor Who
    Cactus Canyon (R)

    then i have a few oddballs which catch the ball post skill-shot then relaunch or release it to a spot that isn't the top of the playfield:

    Police Force
    Street Fighter II

    not launching to the top seemed to be a popular feature in the WPC days. TOTAN, TZ, T2... maybe this was more common in that era, especially for B/W games. i'm less familiar with the DE/Sega, Gottlieb, and Capcom games from the 90's so i can't off-hand say if they joined in on this trend or not.

    #23 4 months ago

    I'd call it a cross-over plunge. It's a nice feature in that it opens up the top of the playfield for more stuff.

    #24 4 months ago

    So glad everyone in the world doesn't have the exact same creativity, wants or thoughts. Variety is what keeps pinball interesting.

    #25 4 months ago

    stranger things

    #26 4 months ago

    Thanks for all the posts listing all the various titles with the cross-field plunge. It has been very helpful.

    #27 4 months ago

    Check out the plunge on 4 million BC, designed by the legendary Ted Zale. Super innovative and critical cross playfield skill shot for the time.

    #28 4 months ago

    I don't think anyone said it, but it's a short plunge.

    #29 4 months ago

    Hay,don't forget "Ripleys"

    #30 4 months ago
    Quoted from RyanStl:

    I don't think anyone said it, but it's a short plunge.

    Nah, a short plunge is when you have an option between a full plunge that goes to the top like normal, or a short plunge to attempt a skill shot, usually.

    #31 4 months ago

    I'd call a "short plunge" when you have the option to plunge softly enough that the ball drops directly to the flippers. Like Star Wars and Stranger Things. On SW I do that in order to shoot the FORCE skill shot myself; on STh I do that in order to get control since the skill shot isn't worth anything.

    Not sure whether to use that term for a soft plunge that falls down the right orbit; examples are GOT and AIQ, or Rush's upper flipper.

    #32 4 months ago
    Quoted from DanQverymuch:

    Nah, a short plunge is when you have an option between a full plunge that goes to the top like normal, or a short plunge to attempt a skill shot, usually.

    good "short plunge" examples where a less than full plunge can have benefits: GB, Tron, TAF, RCT (skill shot or mode start.) it happens on games with that follow the cross-field launch as well, like GZ and TZ.

    i've also heard "soft plunge" to describe the same thing.

    #33 4 months ago
    Quoted from mc300baud:

    i've also heard "soft plunge" to describe the same thing.

    Experienced a "soft plunge" the other night but in my defense I'd had a few drinks and was real tired......the gf understood....

    #34 4 months ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Experienced a "soft plunge" the other night but in my defense I'd had a few drinks and was real tired......the gf understood....

    this seems like more of a "you" problem, maybe a "her" problem too, but less of an "us" issue; i think they make a pill to help if it happens often.

    #35 4 months ago

    I think the most iconic cross playfield ball launch is Twister.

    The skill shot was to hit the spot on the disk.

    Quite a feeling of accomplishment when you finally did it!

    #36 4 months ago

    Just FYI to the original poster, if you dont know, the skillshot jackpot plunge is this. You want to just hit the top rollover switch and fall back to the 2nd one. Not sure of other bonuses on the game.

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    #37 4 months ago

    Not to highjack the thread but what is this thing called?

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    #38 4 months ago
    Quoted from Nintegageo:

    Not to highjack the thread but what is this thing called?
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    Eye bolt

    #39 4 months ago
    Quoted from Nintegageo:

    Not to highjack the thread but what is this thing called?

    that's for an op to put a lockable bracket over the door as an extra security precaution in the days when games were big targets for thieves. it still happens but a lot less often with way more cameras and generally ess cash in the boxes.

    #40 4 months ago

    Very cool, thank you both.

    #41 4 months ago
    Quoted from mc300baud:

    that's for an op to put a lockable bracket over the door

    This gadget is called a hasp. But it might be called something else, when the bar goes across the entire coin door. A coin door bracket, probably, making me look silly. First time for everything!

    #42 4 months ago

    The downside to these is if someone REALLY wants to get in, they’ll go around instead of through. That means more damage to cabinet and or playfield.

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