There is no spoon.

those ratings are logarithmic?

No one else takes the ratings here seriously. Why should I?

Yeah, everyone does the ratings according to what they own and trash everything they don’t own. Its a complete joke for sure lol.

So true! Love how ACDC magically jumped 20 plus spots in 24 hours.

Straight 10 ratings are just as bad no?

I am sure this top 100 had RAZA at number 1 at one point.

Proof, the false 100 is totally rigged if RAZA was ever number one (we know without a doubt its rigged).

I find it interesting how some on this site crap on these machines. We are so lucky to have these toys available and even more fortunate if you can own one. I think that if you're so critical you should come up with a machine of your own just to show us how it's supposed to be done.

Totaly untrue. Maybe a few yes but pletty here try to give an accurate assessment.

AC/DC jumped because we are in the process of separating the games that were listed as (Prem/LE) into separate Prem and LE records. The LE ratings for AC/DC were higher than the Prem, so it is now using the LE rating to determine the rank.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/operation-premium-le

How did the LE have separate ratings before now if the Premium/LE were lumped together as one game?

There's a new sticky post on the front page that explains everything:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/operation-premium-le

I have seen that thread. I don't see where it answers the question that I asked.

I just answered your question over in that thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/operation-premium-le#post-7385044

Interesting. Thank you for taking the time to explain.

I do only rate what I own because it’s what I have enough time on to feel qualified. I also can’t see any pinball machine that I’d rate below a 5 if I’m thinking 10=“love it” and 1 =“hate it”. There could be some that are clunky, not that fun, or just not to my taste but that would only get them to 5=“meh”. It’s probably why the SDTM reviews all end around a B

Ok I know it’s only the first of February, but I am super pumped for EHOH to hit the line this month.

Yes and whenever there’s talk about how to fix the top 100 it should start with purging bogus ratings like these what have MM as a 1 and Potc a 1 and Godzilla a 1.1.

These pins are not 1 or 1.1 period. It’s not somebody’s opinion it’s their agenda against good pins.

Like if someone says the Ford F150 is the worst pickup truck ever made or Porsche 911 is the worst car even made, that’s not an honest opinion it’s an agenda to downgrade what is arguably the class of its class.

Make no mistake, rating a pin 1.0 is not an opinion that the pin is a little weak in some area, a 1.0 is the lowest allowed by the rating. Nothing is lower than 1.0 on this rating scale.

You're not telling me anything I don't know. I've discussed at length with my distro. Distros are stuck in the middle with stern taking so long to get games built, they take deposits and then stern increases the price at least once sometimes multiple times before they build a game. It's a shitty situation.

TMNT Premium is 2 and TMNT Pro is 3 and then he turns around and calls Willie Wonka at 4 a top 10 game of all time...

This is one reason why I don't want to order any new games from Stern. It takes forever, the cost goes up, can't get parts if you need them, the initial code will be trash (possibly for a long time), and you don't have any opportunity to try the machine out or read/watch good reviews about it before deciding to buy. Even if a reviewer has an early access machine or you can play it at a pinball show it will still be the crappy incomplete code so it's not going to be a valid impression of the final product.

I wish somehow enough people would refuse to buy with this model so that Stern would have to change their ways.

5 of the last 6 Stern pins I bought after they were out a year(s) and the code was completed except for Godzilla which I bought on release day.

SW
DP
BM66
JP
Elvira

All were purchased 2 years after release but had a long wait for them as the pandemic etc.

Refuse to buy? HAH!

You've got folks willingly throwing 20 THOUSAND at Stern, for a 1 level game with no video assets at all. Sadly, nothing will change, and Stern will keep doing what Stern does.

I don't buy NIB Sterns either for these same reasons, but sadly, we're in the minority.

I see the tides shifting after TS4CE and BondLE - those sold decently based on theme alone, but all the upcoming rumored Stern titles are going to take a big dookie @ $13k for 1000 LEs.

Yea - they sold some JB60s - but I don't think they sold all 500.

you're completely talking out of your ass. no one knows what the game includes or doesn't yet

I'm still baffled that folks think Stern is going to put any assets on the 60th. If they had rights for film usage from ALL Bond movies for this game, they'd be trumpeting it for the entire world to see. It would be a massive part of the sales pitch. Notice anything different here from the normal Bond, to the 60th release:

Normal:

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JB60:

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They are clearly telling anyone that wants to read the sales pitch, the screen is for assignments, as we've seen.

I get it, folks want to believe some massive piece of the 60th game is yet to be determined, but....folks can read the marketing materials themselves and realize where this is going.

you're coo coo bananas if you read that as 'the game doesn't include film assets'. 'the screen where you learn assignments' literally doesn't specify anything. it could mean anything and everything, by design. it's called marketing. 'learn assignments' has about as much meaning as 'survive tactical precision shots against drop targets'

your blind rage at the price may be impacting your judgement. the most expensive game and license Stern has ever been associated with won't include movie assets? consider how ridiculous that is on the face of itself

Keep hoping against hope, I guess.

it seems more like you're hoping that it won't include the assets, for some weird reason?

in any case, just a couple weeks till we all know. if im wrong ill gladly admit that i was wrong.

but im not wrong.

I don't think it is a ridiculous premise. The Bond licensing has been a fiasco. Would not surprise me a bit if Stern washes its hands clean of anything Bond and says "well folks you got what you got." Actually, that is most likely what will happen.

With that said.... trust me I want to be wrong on this!

I'm not 'hoping' anything. I'm just a realist, who knows if a feature was paid (and high priced) for by Stern, there is no chance in hell that it isn't going to be made known from the start.

Ok, that's all great, but what's on the Stern line?

Godzilla

Agreed. This whole issue was discussed ad nauseum in the Bond 60th hype thread (and probably still is).

As for on the line (back to the subject), I think GZ like was mentioned, with EHoH and some more Bond set to run this month I believe?

Thank you. I guess we might have a peak at Factory Friday tomorrow.

I thought Bond was done until April?

Probably right, guess I assumed maybe EHoH and GZ wouldn't be enough to fill the month, BUT considering how many GZ orders are still out there, that could be the case. I wonder how the stock counts are at distros, for Bond Pro/Prem at this point? Maybe they all have enough for now.

I can't imagine any distributors pleading with Stern to allocate more Bond games to them.

This would be like the Pontiac dealership wanting their entire lot filled with nothing but Azteks.

There's 8 Bond prems and 8 pros on the market, so that's not a ton - I would guess the supply on those will dry up by EOM.

If however you are looking for a BondLE - there's 21 of those in the market.

Not when the lowest game on the Top 100 is 7.84!

The average Top 100 game has a rating of 8.5, and a 1.0 will harm that score five times more than a 10 will improve it.

Example: Worst case scenario, game only has one rating of 8.5. (but, but... is irrelevant) and gets

a 1: (8.5+1)/2=4.75, went down 3.75
or a 10: (8.5+10)/2=9.25, went up .75
3.75/.75=5 times the effect

The effect gets smaller with more existing ratings, but the 5 to 1 ratio stays the same, still talking about that 8.5 rating.

Now, if the average rating was 5.5, a 1 or a 10 would have the same size effect. But it's even worse for a rating above 8.5! For a mythical lone 10, a new 10 has no effect at all, while a 1 would knock it down from 10 to (10+1)/2=5.5!

If I ran these ratings, I'd quietly count any rating lower than a 5 as a 5. I think that would balance out the ratings a lot.

Well said, I was going to say something similar but you said if so much better.

Pretty sure Bond Premium or 60 is on the line based on their production schedule.

Real?!

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He was on the Marco Twitch stream this week but I wasn’t able to watch it. That’s the only place I would imagine him discussing that, if at all.

If no Elivira this month hopefully that means more GZPre’s being built.