Novi, MI
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There is a NASCAR in a Chuckie Cheese near me that dispenses tickets. It has this problem where the ball kicks out of the lower left kickout, and bounces off the right flipper and then back into the same kickout. I let it repeat for approximately 100 times before I lost patience and flipped the ball away.
What struck me is how that really made the game feel pointless. I had this constant temptation to go for the kick out and score cheap points. This must be how tournament players view all games - always looking for an exploit and pounding it to death.
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If you can be sure that the seller is not choggard, that is a decent price assuming the machine is in average condition. I'm not sure this qualifies as entry level (some consider the machine quite brutal to play), but it's a great pin. Read up on how to inspect a pin if this is your first.
initfo - I recommend this Kindle book to newbs that I meet: http://www.amazon.com/Pinball-Book-Guide-Classic-Machines-ebook/dp/B009KZCR7U
Yes, everyone loves MM, MB, AFM, etc. which is exactly why the prices for those titles are through the roof. The challenge for the 99% of the rest of us is finding diamonds in the rough. That Kindle book can help you navigate through lesser known titles, including many not at The Arcade. The price info in the book is woefully out of date (prices are currently around 50% higher than the prices quoted in that book) but the gameplay information is great.
If you cross-reference the pinside rankings against the Boston Pinball ebay prices, there are many good values to be found: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-prices-vs-ipdb-rank-graph
Quoted from initfo:Price check on a No Fear
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I think I've seen similar machines go for $1700-2k. I've never played this one but I've heard its a great bang-for-your-buck machine. Thoughts?
$2200 is around the upper limit for a super nice No Fear and it would have to be pretty close to perfect. That machine does appear to have some modifications, like powder coated legs and rails, but you'll have to decide if that is worth anything to you.
No Fear is a bit odd to have in a small collection but is noteworthy in a large collection. I'm not sure it could work as the only machine in a home and it might be just too odd to be a first machine. Read some reviews here and on IPDB.
On the plus side, there is not too much in the way of odd mechanisms that are difficult to service. Most of it is pretty straightforward and standard fare.
Quoted from initfo:Haha great, between the savvy vets and the scammers throughout the state, I'll be lucky as hell to get a machine for a fair price as a newbie.
I don't know if you are anywhere local, but if you need help looking over a machine, I myself will offer to help. I've been there and have great sympathy for your situation. And I've even had the experience of certain "infamous" people attempting to take advantage of me as a newbie. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I've managed to learn enough to not get burned and I can share what little I know.
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I'm putting out a feeler for a Stern Star Trek Pro for $4250. PM me if you are interested.
I am the original owner. Mods include a Stern shaker motor, white Cointaker LED flipper buttons, and music replaced with soundtrack music from the JJ Abrams movie (which can be reverted back to the original Stern music). Otherwise, it is in original and mint condition.
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Quoted from edwinpblue:What is interesting is an email that I received yesterday. He was adamant that ...
You are right to check here on pinside for a second opinion on pricing. Certain notorious (and, thankfully, former) pinside members are known for engaging in similar tactics in an attempt to prey on first time buyers. Thankfully, such sellers are in the minority and most buyers, including you, know better than to trust the seller's assessment of fair market value.
I'm taking the liberty of linking some other people's posts:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-the-shadow-se-michigan-2800-or-bo
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fs-theatre-of-magic-in-lower-michigan
Quoted from amkoepfer:Anyone have a rocky and bullwinkle? I think that's going to be the next one I'm after.
If you're willing to drive all the way to Akron, I just met someone with a Rocky and Bullwinkle that he has owned for approximately 10 years and might be ready to let it go.
Quoted from Msch:Abel electronics had a floor model for sale not that long ago, not sure if it's still there. (WOZ)
Thanks for the lead, but it appears that their floor model is not for sale. Let me know if you are willing to sell the Road show though!
I guess I'm behind on the news, but I didn't realize that Choggard was "retired" on Pinside until I looked him up just now. Come to think of it, I haven't noticed anything coming up for sale on Flint Craigslist bearing his mark in a while.
Quoted from edwinpblue:Ha! I wonder if chugs was the guy trying to trade his Corvette for my ACDC! ... He was a decent guy the only time I met him even though his low ball offer for my fish tails was insulting.
Insulting lowball offers are his trademark. He once offered a Funhouse for my documented HUO Theatre of Magic as an even trade and explained in detail why this was a fair offer based on market values.
Looking at CL more carefully, it seems he is advertising his location more vaguely (e.g. "mid Michigan") and taking greater care to crop out recognizable game room features, such as his cream carpeting.
If you are comfortable dealing with him, good for you. If you are trying to avoid him, be careful out there.
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Quoted from polyacanthus:Can someone fill me in on this choggard fellow without getting in trouble? Sounds notorious enough to know about before I go looking for my first machine. Or any known scammers in general, that would be helpful.
Just be careful with machines listed in Craigslist with an ambiguous location (e.g. "mid Michigan"), tightly cropped pictures to hide any home features such as a white/cream carpet, and with a higher than typical price.
@Wariodolby - that NGG looks really nice. I had been looking for a NGG, but the timing just isn't right for me right now, otherwise I would be all over this.
@Astropin - that Apollo 13 looks really nice. I had been looking for an Apollo 13, but the timing just isn't right for me right now, otherwise I would be all over this.
CRAP ME!
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Quoted from Wariodolby:Just want to show off my cool mod i got from Crazymuffin(andrew)
Twilight Zone tv mod.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=yx84JTeu5UI
Cool mod. More importantly, it seems MOM beat DAD for the high score.
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By any chance, does anyone know who the seller of this Craiglist ad for White Water?
I ask because I'm getting significant Choggard vibes from it. The ad seems to bear some of his recent identity-concealing trademarks:
1) provides a vague description of the location (because "Flint" was a give away)
2) the pictures are very tightly cropped so that features of the room are not clear (because his white and cream colored room was a give away)
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For sale: a Wizard of Oz standard with shaker motor, Invisiglass, and Ruby Red playfield toys. I would be open to a trade involving Lord Of the Rings, Spiderman (dang, what's with the Pinside script forcing a lower case "S"), Medieval Madness reproduction, Shadow, and Terminator 2 
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I know two people who have Ice Cold Beer and both of them would require that you pry it from their cold dead fingers. This is one of those rare machines that's probably worth overpaying for. It's such a rare piece that always starts a conversation.
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I've seen Gribbs' LOTR and it is in great shape. Figures on the slings are intact, no wear on the playfield, and it has the rare Path of the Dead exit ramp protector (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lotr-potd-arwen-protector-ramps-selling-the-rights-designs). I wish I had room for it.
By the way, Gribbs is a straight shooter.
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This is going to sound weird, but I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in buying a lightly used Whoa Nellie Big Juicy Melons six months from now at approximately $500 off a NIB price.
I'm considering purchasing it NIB, but I never keep any machine longer than six months. That's not a problem when the machine is Stern Star Trek, but Nellie is pretty niche. PM me.
OK guys. My excuse for not picking up that Cleopatra is that I only have space for two machines. Two! Some of you have much larger collections where a game like this would be a perfect fit. Women in your life are probably more likely to approach this machine than your Metallica.
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I have given up on Craigslist altogether because the Pinside community is invariably more friendly. Wariodolby is a great person to buy your first pin from and I would go so far as to say most people active in this thread would have given you similar treatment. Welcome to the hobby!
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Quoted from dung:Your idea of cheap is a bit skewed.
That may or may not be the case. That said, whom you buy from should matter in the price. For example, I tend to reduce my initial price estimate when I am buying from someone without an established reputation on the premise that there may be more problems. Any rational buyer should offer a premium to someone with a known reputation for providing accurate and honest descriptions of the condition.
As another example, a seller who has owned the machine for a year will likely know more about the machine than any 30 minute examination can reveal. It's a matter of whether that seller is willing to share that knowledge with you. If the seller provides that information, isn't that worth something?
Quoted from dung:I've bought machines from a couple people on here with good reputations and found things that should have been disclosed. I bought a machine from a local collector. Nice enough chap. He drops the machine off and within 10 minutes I notice the dmd is out-gassing in a corner. His response, your fault you looked it over before trading. ...
We all have our own definitions. My definition of a good guy is someone who has an established track record of disclosing hard to find problems. I wouldn't call any of those people in your description "good guys" that I would buy from again.
Both are sci-fi themes, have great electronic music soundtracks that rock the subwoofer, have names start with "Tr", and where the player acts as the main protagonist of the movies who is named Sam. Weird coincidence. All in all, the family has never enjoyed pinball more. Thanks Leachdude and DylanFan71.
Sorry for posting pictures of machines that are not for sale, but both machines were purchased through this awesome thread from awesome sellers. Every transaction I've done through this thread has been a pleasure and there are plenty of people I hope to get a chance to trade with in the future.
Quoted from DylanFan71:Well the code comes out Friday and I doubt the game will sell that quick.
If you want to try a music remix, let me know. Feedback has been positive so far. Between ColorDMD and new music, it could feel like a new machine.
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but I have nothing to trade 
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I just found out that Pinside ads now have an embed link, hidden near the bottom right of the ad.
Tron is still available.
Added over 8 years ago: I am open to trades for Simpsons Pinball Party, ACDC, and Medieval Madness remake.
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Quoted from Dayhuff:Wow, never thought it would be so hard to sell THE A-list game.
Like Chris, I also just got a NIB. A whole lot of people were suddenly exposed to the prospect of abundant NIB MMr in stock, which could quite possibly be the first time in history that supply of Medieval Madness (including original) was able to meet demand. Unlucky timing is all.
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Quoted from KillerQ:Are there ANY DMD machines around the Detroit area that are $1,200 or less? Clean, 100% working, and LEDs are preferred - eve ln if it means buying a less-popular title to get it to fit into that price range...
That's a very tall order. You're likely to find fun or working, but not both for that price. I struggle to think of even a non-fun DMD that one can get in working condition for $1200. Shaq Attack? Popeye?
As mentioned, you're more likely to enjoy a non DMD at that price. You'll probably get lots of suggestions if you open a thread.
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Wow, it's been even more insanely modified (in a good way).
Here's an AC/DC Premium in case you didn't get what you wanted for the holidays.
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Quoted from KingBW:Did you get all of those? When's the pinball party? I wish I would have had the funds for his TZ.
I only got one. Who are the other lucky recipients?
If there was something like frequent flyers miles, but for driving pinballs around, Gribbs might be the pinside winner.
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You can put in the embed code like this:
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I have a MAME style cabinet without PC (add your own) for sale. If you'd like to round out your pinball collection with a little old school video gaming, this is an easy way to get started.
detroit.craigslist.org link
So this will require you to give up at least one pinball machine in order to make space for this cabinet, which in all likelihood will be used by a spouse to only play Ms. Pacman, despite the fact that it can also play Street Fighter, Galaga, Metal Slug, Dig Dug and look at all these other cool games that I have on here don't you want to try one of these also.
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Also, a 4-player arcade cabinet:
detroit.craigslist.org link
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It's risky, so if you decide to go ahead, you should certainly make sure you take precautions. For example, don't ship until you have funds wired to a bank account separate from your normal check-writing account.
Personally, I don't even bother with Craigslist at all anymore and very rarely deal with buyers who have no standing on Pinside. A quick phone conversation can also be very revealing.
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I have two sets of pinball legs free to the person who can come get them first. First one to make them disappear from my front porch gets them. I'm in southern Novi.
One is used very good condition. The other is brand new from Pinball Life.
PM me for address and when you will pick them up.
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