Awesome. I always felt a bit dirty reading and posting in that other one.
There is a NASCAR in a Chuckie Cheese near me that dispenses tickets. It has this problem where the ball kicks out of the lower left kickout, and bounces off the right flipper and then back into the same kickout. I let it repeat for approximately 100 times before I lost patience and flipped the ball away.
What struck me is how that really made the game feel pointless. I had this constant temptation to go for the kick out and score cheap points. This must be how tournament players view all games - always looking for an exploit and pounding it to death.
If you can be sure that the seller is not choggard, that is a decent price assuming the machine is in average condition. I'm not sure this qualifies as entry level (some consider the machine quite brutal to play), but it's a great pin. Read up on how to inspect a pin if this is your first.
Choggard - you do realize that people can see who upvoted and downvoted, right? (News flash - choggard downvotes a post mentioning choggard in the "Michigan non-scammer" thread.)
initfo - I recommend this Kindle book to newbs that I meet: amazon.com link »
Yes, everyone loves MM, MB, AFM, etc. which is exactly why the prices for those titles are through the roof. The challenge for the 99% of the rest of us is finding diamonds in the rough. That Kindle book can help you navigate through lesser known titles, including many not at The Arcade. The price info in the book is woefully out of date (prices are currently around 50% higher than the prices quoted in that book) but the gameplay information is great.
If you cross-reference the pinside rankings against the Boston Pinball ebay prices, there are many good values to be found: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/pinball-prices-vs-ipdb-rank-graph
If you are asking what a re import is, it is a machine originally built for an overseas market and modified to work with US voltage. I personally have not had problems, but some people avoid re imports.
$2200 is around the upper limit for a super nice No Fear and it would have to be pretty close to perfect. That machine does appear to have some modifications, like powder coated legs and rails, but you'll have to decide if that is worth anything to you.
No Fear is a bit odd to have in a small collection but is noteworthy in a large collection. I'm not sure it could work as the only machine in a home and it might be just too odd to be a first machine. Read some reviews here and on IPDB.
On the plus side, there is not too much in the way of odd mechanisms that are difficult to service. Most of it is pretty straightforward and standard fare.
Quoted from initfo:
Haha great, between the savvy vets and the scammers throughout the state, I'll be lucky as hell to get a machine for a fair price as a newbie.
I don't know if you are anywhere local, but if you need help looking over a machine, I myself will offer to help. I've been there and have great sympathy for your situation. And I've even had the experience of certain "infamous" people attempting to take advantage of me as a newbie. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I've managed to learn enough to not get burned and I can share what little I know.
If the price is sufficiently attractive, an opportunistic speculator could pick up the whole collection and then sell each item separately.
I'm putting out a feeler for a Stern Star Trek Pro for $4250. PM me if you are interested.
I am the original owner. Mods include a Stern shaker motor, white Cointaker LED flipper buttons, and music replaced with soundtrack music from the JJ Abrams movie (which can be reverted back to the original Stern music). Otherwise, it is in original and mint condition.
Quoted from edwinpblue:
What is interesting is an email that I received yesterday. He was adamant that ...
You are right to check here on pinside for a second opinion on pricing. Certain notorious (and, thankfully, former) pinside members are known for engaging in similar tactics in an attempt to prey on first time buyers. Thankfully, such sellers are in the minority and most buyers, including you, know better than to trust the seller's assessment of fair market value.
I'm taking the liberty of linking some other people's posts:
I guess I'm behind on the news, but I didn't realize that Choggard was "retired" on Pinside until I looked him up just now. Come to think of it, I haven't noticed anything coming up for sale on Flint Craigslist bearing his mark in a while.
Insulting lowball offers are his trademark. He once offered a Funhouse for my documented HUO Theatre of Magic as an even trade and explained in detail why this was a fair offer based on market values.
Looking at CL more carefully, it seems he is advertising his location more vaguely (e.g. "mid Michigan") and taking greater care to crop out recognizable game room features, such as his cream carpeting.
If you are comfortable dealing with him, good for you. If you are trying to avoid him, be careful out there.
Shoutout to pin15 for a perfectly pleasant transaction. Your pin is well loved in its new home.
Quoted from polyacanthus:
Can someone fill me in on this choggard fellow without getting in trouble? Sounds notorious enough to know about before I go looking for my first machine. Or any known scammers in general, that would be helpful.
Just be careful with machines listed in Craigslist with an ambiguous location (e.g. "mid Michigan"), tightly cropped pictures to hide any home features such as a white/cream carpet, and with a higher than typical price.
Mike - I'm going to check with someone I'm trying to pull into the hobby. Flash looks perfect for that.
Quoted from Wariodolby:
Just want to show off my cool mod i got from Crazymuffin(andrew)
Twilight Zone tv mod.
Cool mod. More importantly, it seems MOM beat DAD for the high score.
Some sellers have a style that is broadly likeable.
I would say the seller in that thread has a forum history indicating that he has a style that some people are okay with and some people are not okay with.
By any chance, does anyone know who the seller of this Craiglist ad for White Water?
I ask because I'm getting significant Choggard vibes from it. The ad seems to bear some of his recent identity-concealing trademarks:
1) provides a vague description of the location (because "Flint" was a give away)
2) the pictures are very tightly cropped so that features of the room are not clear (because his white and cream colored room was a give away)
For sale: a Wizard of Oz standard with shaker motor, Invisiglass, and Ruby Red playfield toys. I would be open to a trade involving Lord Of the Rings, Spiderman (dang, what's with the Pinside script forcing a lower case "S"), Medieval Madness reproduction, Shadow, and Terminator 2 .
Yup - I do my part and just flag each one as an inappropriate post and move on. It does work. If we all silently do this, it should eventually go away, regardless of who it is.
Thanks to Wariodolby for providing a great pin, taking care of transportation, helping with setup, cooking dinner and tucking the kids in bed. (Two of these are not true.)
I know two people who have Ice Cold Beer and both of them would require that you pry it from their cold dead fingers. This is one of those rare machines that's probably worth overpaying for. It's such a rare piece that always starts a conversation.
Marty - those are some incredible machines you have there. It will be crazy if either of them last until the end of today.
I've seen Gribbs' LOTR and it is in great shape. Figures on the slings are intact, no wear on the playfield, and it has the rare Path of the Dead exit ramp protector (https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/lotr-potd-arwen-protector-ramps-selling-the-rights-designs). I wish I had room for it.
By the way, Gribbs is a straight shooter.
This is going to sound weird, but I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in buying a lightly used Whoa Nellie Big Juicy Melons six months from now at approximately $500 off a NIB price.
I have given up on Craigslist altogether because the Pinside community is invariably more friendly. Wariodolby is a great person to buy your first pin from and I would go so far as to say most people active in this thread would have given you similar treatment. Welcome to the hobby!
Quoted from dung:
Your idea of cheap is a bit skewed.
That may or may not be the case. That said, whom you buy from should matter in the price. For example, I tend to reduce my initial price estimate when I am buying from someone without an established reputation on the premise that there may be more problems. Any rational buyer should offer a premium to someone with a known reputation for providing accurate and honest descriptions of the condition.
As another example, a seller who has owned the machine for a year will likely know more about the machine than any 30 minute examination can reveal. It's a matter of whether that seller is willing to share that knowledge with you. If the seller provides that information, isn't that worth something?
Quoted from dung:
I've bought machines from a couple people on here with good reputations and found things that should have been disclosed. I bought a machine from a local collector. Nice enough chap. He drops the machine off and within 10 minutes I notice the dmd is out-gassing in a corner. His response, your fault you looked it over before trading. ...
We all have our own definitions. My definition of a good guy is someone who has an established track record of disclosing hard to find problems. I wouldn't call any of those people in your description "good guys" that I would buy from again.
At this point in time, Michigan is the most awesome regional for sale thread. I want everything being posted right now.
Both are sci-fi themes, have great electronic music soundtracks that rock the subwoofer, have names start with "Tr", and where the player acts as the main protagonist of the movies who is named Sam. Weird coincidence. All in all, the family has never enjoyed pinball more. Thanks Leachdude and DylanFan71.
Sorry for posting pictures of machines that are not for sale, but both machines were purchased through this awesome thread from awesome sellers. Every transaction I've done through this thread has been a pleasure and there are plenty of people I hope to get a chance to trade with in the future.
Maybe we all take this for granted, but Michigan pinheads are some of the best bunches of people I have ever met.
Jungle Lord - the often overlooked, and arguably better shooting, variant of Black Knight.
I just found out that Pinside ads now have an embed link, hidden near the bottom right of the ad.
Tron is still available.
Added over 3 years ago: I am open to trades for Simpsons Pinball Party, ACDC, and Medieval Madness remake.
Quoted from Dayhuff:
Wow, never thought it would be so hard to sell THE A-list game.
Like Chris, I also just got a NIB. A whole lot of people were suddenly exposed to the prospect of abundant NIB MMr in stock, which could quite possibly be the first time in history that supply of Medieval Madness (including original) was able to meet demand. Unlucky timing is all.
Quoted from KillerQ:
Are there ANY DMD machines around the Detroit area that are $1,200 or less? Clean, 100% working, and LEDs are preferred - eve ln if it means buying a less-popular title to get it to fit into that price range...
That's a very tall order. You're likely to find fun or working, but not both for that price. I struggle to think of even a non-fun DMD that one can get in working condition for $1200. Shaq Attack? Popeye?
As mentioned, you're more likely to enjoy a non DMD at that price. You'll probably get lots of suggestions if you open a thread.
Anyone interested in getting rid of an AC-DC? I could offer an X-men LE Wolverine if it helps.
New price for X-men (without ColorDMD):
Here's an AC/DC Premium in case you didn't get what you wanted for the holidays.
You can put in the embed code like this:
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I have a MAME style cabinet without PC (add your own) for sale. If you'd like to round out your pinball collection with a little old school video gaming, this is an easy way to get started.
So this will require you to give up at least one pinball machine in order to make space for this cabinet, which in all likelihood will be used by a spouse to only play Ms. Pacman, despite the fact that it can also play Street Fighter, Galaga, Metal Slug, Dig Dug and look at all these other cool games that I have on here don't you want to try one of these also.
Also, a 4-player arcade cabinet:
It's risky, so if you decide to go ahead, you should certainly make sure you take precautions. For example, don't ship until you have funds wired to a bank account separate from your normal check-writing account.
Personally, I don't even bother with Craigslist at all anymore and very rarely deal with buyers who have no standing on Pinside. A quick phone conversation can also be very revealing.
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