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What is "A credit dot" and where and when is it present?

By v8torino

9 years ago


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    #1 9 years ago

    It seems I have heard that term more lately,so what is a credit dot? When is it present,what machines-brand,era,etc.,What does it mean-something kinda bad? Something to do with
    dot matrix displays? Sorry for all the what,when,where,why's,I think I forgot who )
    Kirk

    #2 9 years ago

    It's a little dot that appears on the display after the credits or free play text. The dot indicates that the machine has detected an error. It was designed to quickly let ops know there is a problem with the game that needs to be addressed.

    #3 9 years ago

    I have been wondering what this was for quite some time as well.

    #4 9 years ago

    Here's an example:

    credit_dot.JPG

    #5 9 years ago

    A credit dot can appear for something as dumb as the time and date not set . It is not always bad news but usually is ..

    Jim

    #6 9 years ago

    IT is also amazing how simple some things are to take care of it. On Congo lately the M in the AMY rollover lanes kept giving me an error. All that it took was for me to bend it up a bit so it would register better. Whalaaaa fixed.

    #7 9 years ago

    Great guys,Thx. for the info.,nice when you get an easy fix like you mentioned-coasterguy.

    Also;As it appears in the example above,Will the dot be present when my/or any machine is "just sitting there turned on/in attract mode"? Is that a true statement-Appreciate and props to ya.

    #8 9 years ago
    Quoted from v8torino:

    Also;As it appears in the example above,Will the dot be present when my/or any machine is "just sitting there turned on/in attract mode"? Is that a true statement-Appreciate and props to ya.

    Yeah. I think generally you will see what the error when you first turn on your machine. Then you get the dot if you ignore it.

    Some of my pins will give me dots for switches I intentionally avoid (dangerous or low scoring) for long periods of time. I take it as a compliment that I've been able to avoid it long enough to make the machine think there's a problem.

    #9 9 years ago

    The best is when there is a machine for sale and you can see the credit dot in the photo. Of course, the ad usually reads, "Machine was gone over by a trained technician and is 100% perfect". As Rascal pointed out, a credit dot doesn't always mean that there is actually something wrong, but it's still pretty damn funny.

    #10 9 years ago

    Funny as hell-gweem,will have to look out for just such a posting.

    Quoted from gweempose:

    The best is when there is a machine for sale and you can see the credit dot in the photo. Of course, the ad usually reads, "Machine was gone over by a trained technician and is 100% perfect

    #11 9 years ago

    If you have a credit dot and go into test mode usually it well tell you what the problem is. I had one and it said "date and time not set" set those and it erased it.

    #12 9 years ago

    SC came over last weekend and was bothered by mine on my NGG so we looked into it. It had not bothered me but ended up having two switchs not reading. One had come unplugged and the other was behind the ramps. The uplocks were removed since before I got it. Got the Cliffy's upgrade, springs, and plate. Dan put them in and now the ramps stay up. Very cool.

    #13 9 years ago

    I had a credit dot that once said " You suck, stop playing me "

    Jim

    #14 9 years ago
    Quoted from McCune:

    I had a credit dot that once said " You suck, stop playing me "

    LOL

    #15 9 years ago

    Credit dots also appear if a switch hasn't been triggered in 30 balls--meaning nothing's wrong with the game...just the player's skills.

    Simply trigger the switch in T3 to clear the dot.

    #16 9 years ago
    Quoted from McCune:

    I had a credit dot that once said " You suck, stop playing me "

    My Judge Dredd *should* be saying that every time it throws a dot because I can't hit the damned Air Raid ramp. After a while you get to know what the problems will be before you even go into test mode. "Crap. I didn't hit the air raid in like forever" Go into test report "You didn't hit the air raid ramp in, like, forever. You SUCK!"

    #17 9 years ago

    I just turned on my TSPP and the credit dots seem to be on the TV in the upper playfield. Weird or an issue I should be concerned about?

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    #18 8 years ago
    Quoted from kwiKimart:

    I just turned on my TSPP and the credit dots seem to be on the TV in the upper playfield. Weird or an issue I should be concerned about?

    I believe should show "TEST" with three large blocks while starting up, then switch to scrolling "The Simpsons Pinball Party." Where are you seeing a dot/dots?

    #19 8 years ago

    Braaaaaaiiiiiiiiinnnnnnsssss......

    I get it, yesterday was halloween so you came as 'zombie thread'?

    #20 8 years ago

    I had a credit dot on my DM. Ended up being the flipper buttons. I have been using just the handles. Now I make it a point to hit the buttons every few games.

    1 year later
    #21 7 years ago

    I would like to bump this thread. There are a lot of new folks buying pinball machines and they should be educated on the subject if they are not aware. Many games out there for sale with credit dots.

    1 year later
    #22 6 years ago

    Bump for no credit dot! Embarrassed to admit that I actually thought credit dot was something else until 5 minutes ago despite having seen the term quite a bit... Got my education for the evening

    #23 6 years ago

    Stern does not use credit dot, only tech alerts

    #24 6 years ago

    As far as I know only Bally/Williams WPC, WPC95 and P2k use the credit dot. Stern alerts you audibly when you turn the game on. Other than a few like checksum and sound interface errors, a credit dot is not a big issue. Typically it's time and date not set or a switch that hasn't registered in 30 plays. Going into diagnostics it will scroll through the issues one at a time so you know what to look at.

    #25 6 years ago

    System 11 uses them too.

    #26 6 years ago

    B/W games (at least dmd ones) will give you an audible alert when you turn on the machine. If you hit the menu button it will display the errors. Sometimes the game will report errors when everything is perfectly fine. If a switch or part of the game does not get activated over a period of time, the game will assume it is broken. This can happen when little kids or low skill players play a bunch of games and just never hit the ball up a ramp or get a lock for instance.

    #27 6 years ago

    And remember if you put LEDs in a Pinball 2000 game, you are going to end up with a credit dot.

    #28 6 years ago

    It is usually present when you buy a machine off of Craigslist.

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    #29 5 years ago

    What about Data East, do they show a credit dot? if not what do they do?

    #30 5 years ago
    Quoted from jfh:

    And remember if you put LEDs in a Pinball 2000 game, you are going to end up with a credit dot.

    Never seen that. We put LEDs in all of the matrix bulbs, but no errors. The machine could still perfectly detect lamps/LEDs on their positions, and even when they were not working. Cool feature of the pin2000's.

    #31 5 years ago
    Quoted from Insane:

    What about Data East, do they show a credit dot? if not what do they do?

    Can't remember if my LW3 did, but earlier games like DE The Simpsons (1990) had a light right on the lower cabinet by the coin door that served the same purpose.

    #32 5 years ago
    Quoted from schudel5:

    As far as I know only Bally/Williams WPC, WPC95 and P2k use the credit dot.

    Alvin G & Co. also did it. They called theirs a "Smart Dot", but it behaved the same way. Capcom did it too, but it was a star instead of a dot....

    #33 5 years ago
    Quoted from GLSP3022:

    Can't remember if my LW3 did, but earlier games like DE The Simpsons (1990) had a light right on the lower cabinet by the coin door that served the same purpose.

    what about the DE dmd games?

    #34 5 years ago

    I would imagine they do....they had "credit dot" technology before DMDs. I can't confirm this though. Traded my LW3. It never had a dot, but I kept it immaculate.

    #35 5 years ago

    A credit dot is something that tells you that you own a Twilight Zone.

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    #36 45 days ago

    I would like to bump this thread. There are a lot of new folks buying pinball machines and they should be educated on the subject if they are not aware. Many games out there for sale with credit dots.

    #37 44 days ago
    Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

    I would like to bump this thread. There are a lot of new folks buying pinball machines and they should be educated on the subject if they are not aware. Many games out there for sale with credit dots.

    And a lot of those credit dots are just the machine asking for its time to be re set.

    Its good people dont know about credit dots because most people know nothing about wrenching.

    At work people try and request a refund after playing a pin with a credit dot for 30 minutes. Most the time its the game asking to test a switch that hasnt been used in a few games, which usually 9 times out of ten results in a good switch. Which means those players arent good enough to make a ramp, but hey ! They know about credit dots !

    Its seriously annoying and honestly, unless you work at an arcade or own pins, you really have no business knowing about credit dots.

    Stern doesnt do them. You have to open the machine to get a message.

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    #38 31 days ago

    Ah!
    I see your point!
    That would get annoying! I'm am surprised though, that a non tech or non owner would even know about this!

    #39 31 days ago
    Quoted from Mr_Outlane:

    Ah!
    I see your point!
    That would get annoying! I'm am surprised though, that a non tech or non owner would even know about this!

    Loose lips!

    #40 31 days ago

    Credit dots are something I clear off our machines every Monday.

    Demo mam, ramp shot below the computer
    White water big foots cave
    Twilight zone upper playfield opto

    I could go on…. And our pins are set pretty player friendly.

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