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What have I been sucked into?? A Black Hole Restoration


By Pinball_Gizzard

5 months ago



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#51 3 months ago

Shot pink tonight. Took me about 3 hours to tape/frisket everything off. I have to say, I’m not a fan of cutting out all those stars!

Tomorrow I will tape off and shoot the white and do the red touch ups. Currently I’m not planning on fully reshooting the red as it’s in pretty good shape. We’ll see.
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#52 3 months ago

Fantastic!!!

#53 3 months ago

Finished the paint resto tonight. Taped and shot white and then decided to tape and shoot the red that is by the pop bumpers. I ended up a little too red in my match but I still think it looks ok. I then hand painted a few of the playfield white areas and hand painted in the black key lines and around the inserts. Overall I'm pretty happy with it so far. I'm thinking of trying to shoot the first coat of clear on it this weekend, super nervous for that! I'm using SprayMax 2PAC in a can and have never used it before. I think I'll cry big man tears if that stuff reacts with the acrylic and wrinkles or something!

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#54 3 months ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Shot pink tonight. Took me about 3 hours to tape/frisket everything off. I have to say, I’m not a fan of cutting out all those stars!
Tomorrow I will tape off and shoot the white and do the red touch ups. Currently I’m not planning on fully reshooting the red as it’s in pretty good shape. We’ll see.
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Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

Finished the paint resto tonight. Taped and shot white and then decided to tape and shoot the red that is by the pop bumpers. I ended up a little too red in my match but I still think it looks ok. I then hand painted a few of the playfield white areas and hand painted in the black key lines and around the inserts. Overall I'm pretty happy with it so far. I'm thinking of trying to shoot the first coat of clear on it this weekend, super nervous for that! I'm using SprayMax 2PAC in a can and have never used it before. I think I'll cry big man tears if that stuff reacts with the acrylic and wrinkles or something![quoted image]

Wait a minute....what happened to black hole???

#55 89 days ago
Quoted from Daditude:

Wait a minute....what happened to black hole???

It's waiting in the wings for it's playfield resto. I decided to get some experience on this cheaper guinea pig first before trying to tackle Black Hole.

I think the plan will be to get this one cleared and get all the playfield mechs back on it, then depopulate the Black Hole lower playfield and clean it. From there I need to decide if I think I can tackle the Black Hole paint work, send it out to have someone else do it, or buy new playfields from Mirco. The new playfield option is the easiest, but also most expensive and my lovely wife isn't in favor of spending $1100 on new playfields right now.

#56 89 days ago

First coat of clear is on. This is one can of SprayMax 2K Autoclear.

First coat light mist coat. 20 minutes to flash off.
Second coat heavier. 20 mins flash.
Third coat heavy, 20 mins flash.

Rest of the can was sprayed into a plastic cup and a pipette was used to drop clear into the sunken inserts.

It leveled itself out pretty well. Plan to let it cure for 3 days before sanding back to level. Probably will wait for next weekend to spray can #2.
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#57 45 days ago

The project is not dead! I ran into some issues with clearing the playfield and ended up having a local guy clear it for me. While he had the playfield I restored and repainted the cabinet. Once the playfield had cured for a week I started repopulating the back side. After that was done I repopulated the top side with new plastics, posts and rebuilt the pops.

I spent this weekend finishing it up and running down a few gremlins here and there but it’s done!

Now that I’ve proven to myself that I can repaint a playfield and I have a good source for clear coating I plan to start stripping the upper Black Hole playfield next week!

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#58 44 days ago

Stripping that play field is going to be a monumental task. Can you shoot photos as you go along and share?

#59 44 days ago

Sure! Hopefully I’ll start the process this weekend. It will be slow, I am very meticulous about labeling everything to make absolutely sure it will go back together in the end. Means more time in the beginning but much easier at the end.

#60 44 days ago

Good work Doc.Black Hole is so addictive when dialed in.

#61 43 days ago

WTF I thought this was a Black Hole thread, not Jumping Jack!

Anyway, both these games are my all-time favorite EM and SS games. I did similar repaint job on my Jumping Jack - looking at your pice brought back some not so great memories lol.

I just did a Black Hole playfield swap for some new Mirco playfields. Took about 40 hours in total for both. All the mechs were clean (I had previously shopped the playfield several years ago) so I didn't have to worry about dealing with that which speeded up the process. It was well worth effort.

#62 43 days ago

Well it’s a Black Hole/Jumping Jack thread now I guess.

A Jumping Hole?

At least they’re both Gottlieb’s!

I’ve really considered getting new playfields but honestly the price is holding me back a bit. If I buy new playfields I’m going to be into the machine for about as much as I think I could eventually sell it for. I’m just not sure how much of a premium someone would pay for a restored machine vs a nice players game. I’m not HEP!

I’m going to try to fix the original playfield and if it looks like crap I’ll buy new ones.

#63 42 days ago
Quoted from Pinball_Gizzard:

If I buy new playfields I’m going to be into the machine for about as much as I think I could eventually sell it for. I’m just not sure how much of a premium someone would pay for a restored machine vs a nice players game.

If I ever listed any of my restos for a sale price to just break even for the cost of parts and paint excluding the hours of work. I’d get the pinside price police called on me in a second. We never get back what we put in.

#64 42 days ago

I have both a Black Hole and a Haunted House that I've really seriously considered putting Mirco play fields on, but the cost really is pretty prohibitive. Haunted House I plan on keeping for the rest of my life so I may take the plunge on that one, but I've noticed you don't often see games with Mirco play fields come up for sale often in the marketplace from non-pros so I'm wondering if that's why.

I'll be watching your Black Hole playfield paint job closely. It's one hell of a game to have to do touchups on, so I've never bothered.

#65 42 days ago

Wonder if the Mirco reprise have clear coat issues?

#66 42 days ago

This playfield will be a challenge for sure! The graphics are very intricate and the paint loss on the playfield is involving a couple of the astronauts which will have to be reconstructed.

I’m actually thinking of doing a few custom touches on the paint since it won’t be original anyway. Small things like a color fade on the arrows from red to orange, maybe a custom look on a planet that is worn to the wood, that kind of stuff.

I’m going to do the top playfield first and leave the bottom one intact for now. That way if I do end up having to buy new playfields the bottom one isn’t also all in pieces.

#67 42 days ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

If I ever listed any of my restos for a sale price to just break even for the cost of parts and paint excluding the hours of work. I’d get the pinside price police called on me in a second. We never get back what we put in.

So true. It took me 40 hours to swap both BH playfields so at $50CAD/hour that's just 2k in labour. Add on the playfields at $1500CAD and that's $3500. Add parts and....you get the picture It's a labour of love for sure. I wouldn't sell my Black Hole for less than $5000 CAD.

#68 42 days ago

I can't ever see doing a playfeild swap on a black hole only to sell the game unless your being paid to do it.

#69 40 days ago

Alright boys, get ready for the carnage! I got the Jumping Jack sale finalized and the buyer picked it up today. So, I spent a little time organizing the garage and sweeping things out to prepare for the odyssey!

I pulled the main Black Hole playfield tonight and got it on the rotisserie. Oh man, I had forgotten how dirty and jacked up this thing is! This machine obviously saw some significant moisture, there is a lot of rust especially at the lower end by the player. I can see new hardware in my future. I just got the initial pics taken and one side started to depopulate tonight. Here are some pics, beware those with weak stomachs!!!
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This little guy is pretty dirty but otherwise looks happy
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The Black Hole clearly got to this poor astronaut
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His buddy too!
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#70 40 days ago

There is some good news though! I did a little test on an area to see what some Novus 2 and Magic Eraser would do. To my surprise almost all of the tobacco staining came up and the color match is actually not bad! Dare I hope that I won’t have to repaint all those damn streaks????

Tobacco staining anyone?
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Hey! Magic Eraser is...magic!
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#71 40 days ago

Wow. How does the part of the machine that's encased in glass get coated in cigarette smoke that badly?

#72 39 days ago

Initial topside teardown is done. I like to leave the fasteners in the holes until the whole playfield is torn down just so I can make sure I know where everything goes back. I also take a TON of pictures. Some of the fasteners are wood screws and some are machine, some have washers, some don't, etc, etc, etc.

For the major mechs and hardware for the playfield I will often keep their fasteners taped to the hardware itself. When I start tumbling I will tumble all the playfield fasteners together but the mechs and their fasteners get tumbled separately and then re-taped together. It's tedious but I really want to do everything I can to avoid confusion or lost hardware during repopulation.

Here are my topside fastener reference photos if it will help anyone down the road:
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And here are my initial bottom side reference photos. The bottom side teardown will go a lot slower because I label every mechanism site on the playfield with a number and then write that same number on a piece of tape which goes onto the mech with the fasteners. That way I just have to match up numbers when I repopulate. Makes things easier for me. With a bottom side this complicated I'm guessing three days work off and on to get things done. I plan to leave the harness all connected and just move the entire assembly over to my workbench. The harness will get a cleaning with simple green and paper towels by hand. I'm not brave enough to de-solder everything and wash the harness!

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#73 39 days ago

Black hole is almost cooler with all the plastics off! Really awesome playfield design under those thing. Godspeed my friend. I'll be watching closely!

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#74 32 days ago

Well I wasn’t as productive as I’d hoped this week on Black Hole. Work was busy and I sold my STTNG so I had to get it downstairs and packed up to ship.

I did get half of the bottom done, I’m hoping the upper part will go a little faster since it has two large drop target mechs And a trough that takes up a decent amount of real estate. We’ll see.

I’ve already found a broken leaf switch and a flipper board that needs repair. Otherwise there are a few mangled leaf switches that I may have to replace if I can’t get them looking reasonable again. For cost concerns I am going to try and clean and reuse as much as possible.

Here a current status pic. You can see my labeling system, looks like a mess but once you start repopulating it goes pretty fast. The only bad news is I have to clean all my fasteners individually with a dremel and wire brush as I reinstall instead of just tumbling them all at once. Maybe one day I’ll be good enough to just throw all the fasteners in a bucket and go.
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