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What has Stern innovated in the past 20 years?

By rai

8 years ago


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    #166 8 years ago

    I remember we were all outraged over the $7000 WOZ price tag...then it went to $7500 and then $8000. This act opened the door for Stern to realize if JJP can sell at these prices so can we. Now we have $7900 Stern LEs and $5000 Pros with a shitload of parts stripped out of them. Yeah I guess they came up with an innovative cost cutting process. Think about it the same machines for 25% higher prices and lower BOMs. At least JJP has some nice toys in their games, what does Stern have? A floating head in a barn...do nothing Gene Simmons head and don't get me started on GoT pro. I just hope DP keeps making pins..now that everyone is selling 8k games at least DP is making some thing that looks like it's worth 8K.

    #170 8 years ago
    Quoted from pinballophobe:

    Can u show me a Bom list price from even 2010 to 2015. I would really love to see how much cost savings there have been
    Can you also show me DP machines sitting in a few ppls houses.

    Not sure why you need a BOM to be convinced that the costs have not risen in proportion to material prices. You don't need to see Stern's BOM cost to figure out the new metal backbox saves money, the elimination of the service rails saves money as does the relocation of the power switch, don't forget the removal of the lockdown bar. The spike system etc...etc...

    To give you an idea Pinsider Flashinstinct had a good post were he added up the prices of all the parts, however some of the estimates were a bit high. I suspect the cost for a pro is comfortably below $2K. Many of us have commented on the price hikes over the past 3-4 years, we can't all be high. As far as DP...they technically already shipped a product, BOP 2.0. Judging by your collection and time here I'm guessing you're new to the hobby, wait till you see TBL, it will be a treat.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/actual-cost-of-a-pinball-machine

    #173 8 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    Why is moving the power switch important? When the old days half the circuitry was in the cabinet maybe it made sense. But now when all the circuitry is in the head it doesnt make sense to have the switch way out in the cabinet.

    Because in a tight space the power button is not easily accessible, second there was always plenty of circuitry in the head...not just now. You also left out the service pegs added value over the rails...they save a lot of weight over those pesky metal rails.

    Oh I almost forgot love the decals on the cabs, who the hell needs that crappy silk screen stuff anyway.

    #179 8 years ago
    Quoted from markmon:

    I think the quality of the cabinet decals is far better than the quality of the art on say Lord of the Rings or Nascar or Simpsons. So yea, you should love the cabinet decals.

    Well, let me get back to you on that...But I do put a lot of stock in your opinion.

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