The ball moving along the back board in the game Kiss is one as is many Innovations. My favorite is the ship in POTC
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Quoted from Pahuffman:You can't say that yet. The Hobbit is going to have an LCD. Who's to say that won't become the norm for all pins in the near future? It's just too early to say it hasn't changed anything. In 5 years you could be eating your words.
The formation of JJP is nearing 4 1/2 years now with one game shipped in 5 years JJP may only be a memory.
Quoted from Pahuffman:Did this game ever go into full production? From what I can tell, there were only 25 games made by a little company in Mexico. If that's the case, then I'm not sure you can even count that as part of the equation. Just wondering because this is the first time I've ever even heard of that game.
Being that the game was made in Spain and not Mexico your facts are suspect
Quoted from GravitaR:Stern has innovated the procedure of raising its prices and taking stuff out of its games at the same time.
JJP has innovated the procedure of talking peoples money then laughing 
Quoted from GravitaR:Don't know to thumbs down or up that post. Undecided, good one ek77
In the end I think it will all come down to game three and are they still on the prepay model
Quoted from bigd1979:Was done In 1992 bsd on the play field and pretty much the same mechanism was used on banzi run to take the ball to the upper backbox also.
It is what BSD did but far more difficult as it is on the back not the playfield. As for Banzai Run I can not say.People need to worry less about who was first I think it is a shame TZ upper playfield has never been redone lets go back find the best use them
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Quoted from kvan99:Not sure why you need a BOM to be convinced that the costs have not risen in proportion to material prices. You don't need to see Stern's BOM cost to figure out the new metal backbox saves money, the elimination of the service rails saves money as does the relocation of the power switch, don't forget the removal of the lockdown bar. The spike system etc...etc...
To give you an idea Pinsider Flashinstinct had a good post were he added up the prices of all the parts, however some of the estimates were a bit high. I suspect the cost for a pro is comfortably below $2K. Many of us have commented on the price hikes over the past 3-4 years, we can't all be high. As far as DP...they technically already shipped a product, BOP 2.0. Judging by your collection and time here I'm guessing you're new to the hobby, wait till you see TBL, it will be a treat.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/actual-cost-of-a-pinball-machine
You forget Stern does not sell direct like other pin manufacturers. Game distributors mark up 100 percent so Stern gets only half of the price of a retail sale
Quoted from rai:That's not true, I've heard the distributors get a couple hundred dollars per game.
I have a bridge to sell you 
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