Just wait till they start threads aboot it!

Them issuing any updates at this point wouldn't make you wrong. In order for perception to change there would need to be a new pattern of behavior. One round of updates wouldn't mean that JJP has changed their pattern of behavior in taking a very long time to update games.

It would only mean they finally issued updates (or even one update), and it would still be arriving WAY overdue. In my eyes they wouldn't be vindicated. It would be more of an "it's about time" event.

Didn't say when though.
Just next update.

Curious-some consider Pirates code not completed? does it need major things?

I see its rated 13th all time. ive played it on route a few times i thought was pretty solid but obviously didn't get very deep into what the coding was.

edit- i reread ops first post, game has no wizard mode? LOL

It's mostly complete, but is missing the final wizard mode. There are also lot of little improvements in the beta code that have never made it into a public code release.

gotcha..ill have to check one out again im sure its not at the bowling alley anymore where i found it last time, plus it had no volume, couldn't hear anything

I hope you get to play it somewhere where you can hear it. David Thiel's audio really helps bring this game to another level.

Basically just removing Scorbit or it wouldn't even have been offered

Yup - been expecting a DI update along those same lines.

Zillas fun for sure. I'd like to Play a Godfather (even after the Raymond video) but haven't run into one yet.

The last Beta Code that came out for POTC bricked the game because of not enough hard drive space.

Not a good sign for additional code updates.

While not as needed as the other updates, I'd love to see an end to Dialed In. Where it stands right now I consider it 99% complete.

Got a video link?

I'm sure this thread will definitely help to get JJP to roll up those sleeves & immediately start updating their code. SUCKERS!!

Believe it or not, they do read this stuff however I am not sure how much it matters to them.

Stern supports their titles way more than JJP does but JJP also offers a much more complete game on release than Stern does.

I think it a matter of, do you want it all at once or a little bit over a period of time?

Ya like, whatcha like.

Sorry it was a Karl video

Literally first shot of game leads to a 5 minutes MB

That guy is an amazing player, I mean easily one of the best and to my knowledge he hasn't seen everything the game has to offer yet.

I'm a fairly mediocre player and started 3 multiballs on my first ball of playing it for the first time. I had never seen any footage of the game or read anything about it prior to hitting Start.

...and?

Some people don't like that; some do.
Big whoop.

Agree.

I played the game and it was not constant mutliball for me so my experience was not the same.

...and I initially read your response to "first shot lead to 5 minute multiball" of Karl being one of the best players out there as if it were an exception. Perhaps that's not what you meant - no offense intended, the code plays how it plays.

JJP tailors to novice location players. Don’t like a multiball in the first 30 seconds? Tweak the settings.

I am very pleased. All this support is great!

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I'm assuming an update removing Scorbit and adding an equalizer will be coming to all machines?

This thread has made me rethink getting another JJP game. I am in the middle of selling my WoZ and was thinking about TH. Maybe I will go w/Godzilla instead? Btw, what is the next JJP title? Godfather did nothing for me personally.

TH-Code is complete and great now after some Updates in the past. No further Updates needed
Same for WillyWonka.

It's more a Gnr/TS-Topic so far.

That's good to hear. TH has been on my list for a while. Just disappointing that they are not finishing the code for such a "progressive" company. I have a GnR btw and have been frustrated.

I know GNR needs tweaks/fixes for sure. Maybe it is just because I love the music, but I still find GNR one of the most fun pins to play. TH is on my radar for sure. I am going to be moving some of my older titles for the new machines. In my head, the time is right to do that. I have played thousands of games on my MM and TZ. The older I get, the more easily bored I get. Some new titles hopefully will fill that.

BUT I think I have to now pass on future JJP games until they commit to finishing what they started. I had POTC on my radar too. That clearly is off now. No way I am paying that price for an incomplete game.

JJP would honestly be better to go backwards at this point with code and release a little at a time like Stern rather than all upfront.

I just think Stern has more employees than JJP does, at least ones that work on software but who knows....

Both companies have their good and bad sides but I agree that if JJP would just support their games better through software, they would sell a lot more!

I mean all they would have to do is release a big update for GNR and I am sure it would gain new interest in the machine. I'm not sure why they don't do this because they are fully aware what the customer is after and it's more software support.

It's the same reason they haven't done a POTC update. They aren't trying to sell more GnR at this point so they aren't prioritizing updates to GnR code. Once they stopped building POTC they weren't going to put POTC code work ahead of current or upcoming titles.

It's a HUGE negative with JJP. They pretty clearly have a mindset that they've already got the money in their pocket from sales of the last title. So they're only prioritizing work on generating sales for what's on the line or what's about to be built, even if it means leaving customers hanging who bought their previous title.

KPI's, especially when their is private equity in play mean everything. One of the most important metrics and one that is most tangible is Gross Sales. Selling of machines (units) is critical when you have investors, especially some that want to turn around a profit and get out.

Customer satisfaction KPI's are usually present, but always take a back seat to EBITDA. See customer satisfaction is nowhere in an immediate EBITDA calculation. So time and time again, companies make the mistake of focussing on their next sales dollar via "units sold" vs. building long-term customer loyalty which will bring them sales in the long run.

I can't be clearer on this. I don't agree with door #1, but it sure seems they have a new master and are trying to focus on pleasing him. Sad.

GnR is a really good game, I wonder if Slash, who put a ton of personal time into this project, is aware of the unfinished business with their brand painted all over it?

Anyone have Slash's cell #?

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Really good point. Stern did a couple massive well-loved updates to old games like Kiss and Munsters long after they stopped selling them. People feel pretty safe now that code on a Stern, though sometimes half-baked at the start, is going to get there in a big way....and then even more bonus updates down the road. I can't imagine what it would be like to own a really expensive game like POTC and play it all the time knowing there's no final wizard mode. That's nuts.