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What Gear oil replacement is used for an em gearbox

By popperette

4 years ago


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    #1 4 years ago

    I am working on a Bally Skill Derby and I took the gear box for the forward/reverse motors apart and the gear oil was low and dirty. I cleaned everything and didn’t know what kind of oil to put back in. I asked around and someone recommended to use regular Mobil one 10W - 30. I put that in and turned the gears. There was resistance which I believe would be normal, but I don’t know how it should feel. The original oil had less resistance but it also had less oil from a leak. I then bought Mobil one 5W - 20 and that had less resistance. That is what is in the case now. I saw that Mobil had a gear oil but the viscosity was way higher. My concern on putting in a thicker oil is that the resistance would be too much for the motor and burn it out. I would like to put this machine back together but I need some advice on what oil to use. Once everything is back together, it is impossible to change the oil without taking it all apart. So the question is, what kind of oil should I use to replace the 1960 oil in my gearbox?

    Thanks,

    Larry.

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    #2 4 years ago

    It seems like you are on the right track, the lighter the better. But rather than motor oil, I would think something as light as 3 in 1 oil would work. Very little resistance, and all you need is light lubrication, but not in a high heat environment like a car engine. I am working on a Space Mission which has an open gear box for the swinging target, and it has very little lubrication. But interested in what more experienced pinsiders think.

    #3 4 years ago

    Beware my comment. I am not familiar with an enclosed type gear box like you are showing... on all EM score motors I have typically used a light application of a high quality silicone oil lubricant. In years of use I have never had an issue. I am very suprised to see something you actually fill with oil! Are you sure its actually supposed to hold oil? I would have bet it was more a dust cover and would be tempted to clean again until perfect- then lightly oil as above and assemble. I cannot imagine that requiring an oil bath to maintain adequate lubrication.

    Maybe I misunderstood.. and hopefully my post will motivate someone who knows more about this mechanism to respond and concur or correct.

    #4 4 years ago

    Thanks for the reply.

    In the one picture you can see the gear case is upside down. This is because I could only work on this area upside down. If you look at the case, there is a screw that can be removed for adding oil. That screw normally will be facing up. Also, this gear box has two gaskets to keep the oil from leaking out. It should be filled up to the screw level with oil.

    The back door, of this unit, has a cam that uses a different gear box. It is a thin riveted box. I took one of these style gear boxes apart in a Bally bowler and it was just plastic gears and old grease.

    The gear box I’m wondering about is oil filled.

    I will also take the other thin gearbox apart to inspect the gears. That’s the next section to be done. I will probably use Superlube grease on those gears.

    #5 4 years ago

    This is what I've been working on. The screw is just to add grease on this one.
    Gonna use red bearing grease on my gears.
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    #6 4 years ago

    Sorry. I didn’t show the cases fill screw. Here’s more pictures.

    The two motor rotors have oil ports for their brass bushings. I used 3 in1 oil in there. The gear box has its own oil that is different than the 3 in1 oil.

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    #7 4 years ago

    Hi Mitch,

    Same gearbox. If it was to have grease, wouldn’t there be a Zerk fitting? How would the grease get to the gears? The grease would be hard to get in the threaded hole and would fall to the bottom or stick to the sides. Not like a bearing where it is shot into the balls. I still think it has to be liquid.

    #8 4 years ago

    Every one I've seen uses grease. That black stuff on your gears is old grease.

    http://www.iobium.com/rebuilding_the_monster_bash_drac.htm

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-bops-gearbox

    Google "gear box grease pinside" and you will find tons of articles.

    #10 4 years ago
    Quoted from popperette:

    How would the grease get to the gears?

    You grease the gears by hand while assembling them. The screw hole is above the gears so if you added grease into it it would suck it into the gears when the motor turns.

    ***Although yours may have been oil, I know of a few bally spinners like mine which is 1962 and the housing looks the same as yours and they all had grease from the factory not oil. So either yours is different or someone in the last 50 years changed it incorrectly to oil. I'm not 100% sure either way.***

    #11 4 years ago

    I’m not either. I can’t see oil just because I don’t believe it needs an oil bath. The gaskets made me think that oil was correct, but I don’t know. Thanks for the info. The bingo page is really informative.

    There was some info on this site about a Bally Big Show and there was a debate about liquid oil or grease. Either one seemed to work, but if you used oil, you would have leakage through the shaft. I think I’ll go to grease. I have a tub of Superlube teflon grease. Thanks for the input.

    #13 4 years ago

    The motor appears to be the same that Bally used in the many bingo machines produced during this era. Mitch is right on with the link he provided in post #9. If you've taken the gearbox apart, use grease.

    #14 4 years ago

    Damn, that's one heck of a gearbox for an amusement machine. If you told me it came off a riding mower, I'd believe it!

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