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What do you think about LEs coming with More Code Adjustments?

By OLDPINGUY

4 years ago


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    “Would you bump up from a Premium to an LE, if it had more user settings?”

    • Yes 8 votes
      29%
    • No 20 votes
      71%

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    #1 4 years ago

    In focusing on Sterns New release, and seeing the Price/Value comparisons of Models, I see the accounting side come up again.

    After all, a Premium and LE are the Same game, other than extras in appearance.

    What if Stern sent out LEs, with more code, or more code adjustments?
    One could "do more" with their game in settings, than can be achieved on other models, or simply adding "hidden mode" not present
    in a Premium?

    As this isnt really a huge BOM increase, it gives something unique to owners in game play, sound control, rule/reward control over Premium and Pro.

    Would this make LEs something more desirable?

    #4 4 years ago

    Not really, but could they sell more? Would collectors/pinheads want something like this?
    Anything "extra
    could be disabled for tournaments, but I dont think LE show up much in tournaments?

    #8 4 years ago

    We all seem to Love Pinball Browser.....What about a non licensed game with an easy user interface to add Music?
    Or some degree of code changing through features? Extra balls assigned to more than what came stock?
    A super bonus to an insane combo?

    #11 4 years ago

    My thought was not to charge us more, but to give us something more we could use.
    We sit with so many games with unfinished code, it might be nice as a group, if we could make game changes, and share them, and have choices, maybe?

    #13 4 years ago
    Quoted from boustrophedonic:

    Isn't one of the selling points of an LE the fact that there are only so many?
    If they were in a situation where they had a bunch of excess LE inventory that needed to move, sure, throw a software guy on there to create a new mode or something. But I really don't think this kind of thing is necessary at this point.

    Would it matter if there are 500 LE, or 800? Would that stop an LE buyer today? I dont know.
    But as much as I wish to look at this as an incentive for Stern to Make for profit, the real goal are dedicated pinheads....
    Would bump from a Premium to LE, if it allowed more user control?

    #22 4 years ago
    Quoted from ktownhero:

    It doesn't entirely make sense from a financial perspective though. Once software is written, it can be easily swapped into any machine meaning that they'd be doing more work for code that would then selectively only go in a minority of their games. They would then have separate branches of the codebase, both of which would surely run into unique bugs and require separate support and development.
    It's just a convoluted mess, and it's also just arbitrary. Plus, they probably make more total from selling pros than from the few LEs that get sold, comparatively. It's better to sell 100 things that make a $1 profit each than 10 things that make $5 profit each.

    Do you think a few coded setting option variables would be too much work?
    I mean some settings we never touch, but might there be things we want? I dont know.

    I guess my perspective what does it take to motivate buyers, other than "I have enough to buy the best", or I want to buy the best because the game can do more?

    I Love my walking dead still, and one big reason is the amount of versions out there. It keeps the game exciting.
    Ive just received the Road show Chip to change the game, and Xmen, with the new soundtrack.

    I respect the 2 sides to the coin, I was just curious as this was a conversation I had recently with an open answer.

    #25 4 years ago
    Quoted from ktownhero:

    It could be work depending on what you are talking about. Are you talking about changes that would fundamentally change the way scoring or other behavior works? Not only could it be work, but it's also a mess to have machines out there running potentially two or more variations of the firmware. Plus, like I said in my prior reply, what benefit is it to Stern? They probably make more money selling Pros in volume than LEs in trickles.
    I mean, machines already have tons of customization. Maybe you (and others) should try to be more specific and come up with an idea of what you are talking about?
    EDIT: I'm not trying to shoot the idea down, I'm just offering my expertise as a software developer to provide a counter-point.

    Fair enough, but lets try this. First, far be it for us to determine Sterns profit margins relative to the 3 versions.
    We all see prices climbing, and expected to climb even further.
    We, meaning the masses tend to buy Pro or Premium, and we see differences in game play via ramps, upper playfields, lower playfields, but we no longer
    complain about the disparity and rules with scoring between 2 very different games.
    We see only cosmetic differences on an LE to spend several thousand more. Many seem burned on the cost, value, and depreciation, so I was thinking about not adding more to a playfield like the pro difference, but more to code. Would one want more hardware on n LE?)

    So we now go to specifics. In Sound, the ability to add/change music with an easier interface. We do this now as a MOD.
    Color RGB Lighting, the ability to change lighting affects. We do this now with Bulbs and Pin stadium.
    Code wise Scoring controls. Skill shot scores what? Extra Ball, Special, Huge Points?
    Orbit or Ramp shot control, How many shots, for what kind of reward? ( Irealize some of this exists)

    I am not suggesting a coders nightmare, nor do I have all the ideas that others might.
    I just feel as High end games seem to be heading to a permanent 10K price, is just limiting numbers with some cosmetics, good enough?"

    Sometimes I feel that if more LEs were sold, it could affect the price of a Premium, maybe.....

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