Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

I'm not a millennial by any means, but these kids have it a lot tougher than you ever did. College loans can keep a kid in debt until they turn 60. Getting a job means they have to take a year or two in unpaid internships. A job without an education won't be able to support yourself, let alone a family, like they used to be able to do back in the 60s.
There's a reason why so many 20-something and 30-something year olds still live with their parents. I also used to think they were lazy. Now I feel sorry for them.

Quoted from SilverballSleuth:

I mean - congrats and all, but that’s Canada.
Abandoned mill towns in Northeastern CT where I grew up - has a very small economy.
For a lot of those kids, it was either go to college and live on campus somewhere else in New England and be in debt forever, or find a trade and work as an apprentice for X amount of years.

Quoted from Mizzou0103:

This is VERY presumptuous and intellectually lazy. Don’t be an a-hole.

Quoted from Mizzou0103:

This is VERY presumptuous and intellectually lazy. Don’t be an a-hole.

Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Ummm. No. Just calling you out.

Quoted from SilverballSleuth:

Congrats on your fabulous early years.

Quoted from Mizzou0103:

Painting with a broad brush about an entire generation. It’s lazy. The people you work with might be lazy, but that’s not representative of all or even most 20-30 year olds.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

To make this post, all you did was observe your surroundings and come to an anger & hate-riddled conclusion.
I work in the field and I've seen 1,000 HS students go on to the next level. It's not true for all, but it's 100% accurate that the path to success in 2019 is far more difficult than it was in the 1960s. The government was bipartisan. College was so inexpensive that you could pay for it with a summer job. If you wanted to work at a local factory, you could do that too and still earn a living wage.
None of this is true today. The path is tougher. Your experience with snot-nosed punks does not accurately represent today's youth as a whole.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

Your experience with snot-nosed punks does not accurately represent today's youth as a whole.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

I'm close to your age. It also doesn't look like we disagree. If you're not lazy, you can make it.
All I'm saying is that the path today towards success is harder than it was 50 years ago. Agree or disagree?

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

You're avoiding my question, which was 100% entirely the point of my original post, just so you can rant about something I wasn't eluding to.
Attempt number three to my point: The path towards success is harder today than it was 50 years ago.
Yes or no?

Quoted from GreenMachine19:

If you guys are done beating each other up.
I or my parents couldn’t afford college so I joined the military. After about 10 years of service, I moved to the private sector. I do very well working at a Nuclear Power Plant as in Instruments and Controls Specialist. My work in antiquated electronics translates perfectly into pinball repair.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

Again, you bring up something I wasn't eluding to. I don't care about the few lazy people you know personally. I'm not even talking about people in general. I'm talking about the path towards well-paying jobs or jobs that provide a decent living wage.
That path is my subject. The path is more-difficult than it was 50 years ago.
Try to stay away from the couple of lazy kids you hate so much, sheesh. Not talking about the kids here.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

So you won't answer the question, but you keep getting mad at me for giving an answer to something I wasn't asking. OK.
Instead you give a one-size-fits-all solution to the question you refuse to answer. But if you're giving a solution, that also means you admit there's a problem. Otherwise the solution in itself wouldn't make sense.
That's the weirdest "agree" I've ever read.

Quoted from SilverballSleuth:

Wow guys - I thought the tote bag thread was stupid, but this? Oof.

Quoted from Sinistarrett:

Maybe you guys should go start a millenial bashing thread or something. This one was relatively friendly and informative until it got run off the road.

Quoted from ThePinballCo-op:

lol.
Me: The path to success is harder now than it was 50 years ago.
Spencer: TOTAL BULLSHIT! KIDS ARE LAZY! I wasn't given ANYTHING! I had to work for everything I have!
Me: OK good for you. The path is still harder than it was 50 years ago.
Spencer: Thanks for the history lesson. YOU CAN'T READ! I never went to college. I make more money than those who did!
Me: OK, that's nice. I'm talking about the path to success. Similar jobs/wages are harder to come by than 50 years ago.
Spencer: I WORK WITH LAZY PEOPLE WHO COULD MAKE MORE MONEY BUT THEY ARE LAZY!
Me: ......
Spencer: If you waste YEARS of life going to school and acquiring debt, yeah it's harder.
Me: OK, so we agree? It looks like we agree.
Spencer: Is it harder? How the hell would I know?
Literal quotes from our exchange. Funny stuff.

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Quoted from wtuttle:

Please do not take the self-rightous tone of my fellow countryman's response as being representative of Canadian folks. Talking about how hard he worked to get his pins and fancy watches? Vacations in Punta Cana? Probably drives a truck or some gas guzzling Hummer. Sounds pretty douchey to me.
Spence--this was a good thread before you started judging millennials. Give it a rest.

Quoted from wtuttle:

Please do not take the self-rightous tone of my fellow countryman's response as being representative of Canadian folks. Talking about how hard he worked to get his pins and fancy watches? Vacations in Punta Cana? Probably drives a truck or some gas guzzling Hummer. Sounds pretty douchey to me.
Spence--this was a good thread before you started judging millennials. Give it a rest.

Quoted from SilverballSleuth:

Welfare? Dude has two games in his collection worth retail $10K.
If you do well, congratulations, sounds like you do.
Why shit all over people? Do other people’s financial status effect you? Why do you care Mr. Moneybags?
Go spend time with your wife - it’s mother’s day.
I guess the old adage is true - money can’t buy happiness.

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

And ... GET OFF MY LAWN!

Quoted from Dee-Bow:

If you want to waste years of your life... argue on pinside!

Quoted from wtuttle:

Please do not take the self-rightous tone of my fellow countryman's response as being representative of Canadian folks. Talking about how hard he worked to get his pins and fancy watches? Vacations in Punta Cana? Probably drives a truck or some gas guzzling Hummer. Sounds pretty douchey to me.
Spence--this was a good thread before you started judging millennials. Give it a rest.

Quoted from wtuttle:

Great points, all.
Spencer was just looking to the collective here to validate his choices in life, including his house in the suburbs and his undoubtedly adventurous vacations at all-inclusive resorts in Mexico!
Thanks for using scientific data to prove him woefully wrong. The three PM's I received from him in what I daresay was a manic state can now be considered answered in full.

Quoted from irobot:

Simple enough and also false enough.
Statistically, what you wrote is 100% incorrect.
"A recent study from Georgetown University found that, on average, college graduates earn $1 million more in earnings over their lifetime. Another recent study by the Pew Research Center found that the median yearly income gap between high school and college graduates is around $17,500."
Obviously, there are some people in the trades making more than some college graduates, but the AVERAGE college degree holder makes a lot more money than those who do not have a degree.
"According to the College Board, the average cumulative student debt balance in 2017 was $26,900 for graduates of public four-year schools and $32,600 for graduates of private nonprofit four-year schools."
Is a debt load equal to a new Honda CRV going to ruin someone's life?
You don't have to go into deep debt to get through college. If you don't have rich parents, you go to community college and then state college. Just work the problem instead of picking up a doomsday debt.

Quoted from Buzz:

Just like I was saying pins and jobs and money just don't fall into your lap. Desire and a good work ethic and taking advantage of opportunities is the way. PS love your story

Quoted from wtuttle:

If only we could all work so hard as Spencer, we'd be just fine! Alas, some of us have to "get by" with a mere 2-3 pins. I must have missed some of those "opportunities" and failed to put in the long, hard hours Spencer did. Clearly, I have only myself to blame!