Are these things all based around just a few key locks? My STTNG has lost it's key and the doors locked.
1. Try some other keys.... you never know?
2. Try to pick the lock
3. Drill.... takes about 30 seconds
As long as they are single bit keys, picking is not that hard and a good way to milk down a beer or two. )
No, there are multiple lock manufactures each with numbered keys. You'll need to drill it out and replace with new. Sometimes a screwdriver hammered into the lock will break it to turn, else use a drill. Use a rag under the door as there will be metal shavings. The common coin door lock size is 7/8" either double bitted (teeth on both sides of the key) or single bitted, either will work, although double bitted is a little easier for key insert.
You also might consider replacing all the locks with those that are keyed alike. I've done so on my collection and one key fits all.
Hope this helps.
Terry
look on the lock see if theres a number and that's the code mine are all 1382s
Drill it out and catch the shavings with a magnet .
The first thing I do is with a new game is replace the lock with a keyed alike lock and if I sell a game I take the lock back out
Good luck
Quoted from TeeJayN:No, there are multiple lock manufactures each with numbered keys. You'll need to drill it out and replace with new. Sometimes a screwdriver hammered into the lock will break it to turn, else use a drill. Use a rag under the door as there will be metal shavings. The common coin door lock size is 7/8" either double bitted (teeth on both sides of the key) or single bitted, either will work, although double bitted is a little easier for key insert.
You also might consider replacing all the locks with those that are keyed alike. I've done so on my collection and one key fits all.
Hope this helps.
Terry
Great idea TeeJayN. I have nine machines all with different keys. This makes a lot of sense. Probably why it never occurred to me.
If you end up drilling it out and do need to replace it a new one is less than five dollars anyway and will only take two minutes to install.
Just drill it out. I prefer to drill the pins, it makes less mess than drilling out the screw in the back, but either way will work.
I drill first, if I break a bit in the lock (which has happened :/ ) then with two flat head screwdrivers I carefully open up the door where the lock is, surprisingly, I have done this with no additional damage.
I had luck using the file on the back of a nail clipper. There is a hook feature on the end of the file that allows to work the lock bits. Some times it works within seconds, other times it took a few try's. Not 100% reliable, but does work.
Quoted from SV1:I had luck using the file on the back of a nail clipper. There is a hook feature on the end of the file that allows to work the lock bits. Some times it works within seconds, other times it took a few try's. Not 100% reliable, but does work.
Got to be worth a try. Cheers
Once you get the lock open Muppet_Man you can change all your locks to keyed-alike .. OR .. you could change them all to keyless locks .
I've got keyless ones on all my pins and they are great . No more looking for a key / keys .
Quoted from MIL:Once you get the lock open Muppet_Man you can change all your locks to keyed-alike .. OR .. you could change them all to keyless locks .
I've got keyless ones on all my pins and they are great . No more looking for a key / keys .
I don't really need them to lock. So long as the cats can't get in. Where did you get those?
Quoted from Muppet_Man:I don't really need them to lock. So long as the cats can't get in. Where did you get those?
All my machines are keyed alike, but I just started replacing them with;
http://www.arcadeadventures.com/keyless-thumb-lock/
I like these because I can still put my key fob on them.
Quoted from Patofnaud:All my machines are keyed alike, but I just started replacing them with;
http://www.arcadeadventures.com/keyless-thumb-lock/
I like these because I can still put my key fob on them.
I notice that there are 2 different sizes available for those keyless locks (5/8" and 7/8"). Which one would work for later model pinball machines?
Drill, drill, drill. Very easy to do. But yes it makes a mess, nothing a shop vac can't handle though.
Remove the door hinges, pull from the coin return, and bend the latch until you can remove the entire door.
Remove the lock and replace everything. Drilling is messy and dosen't always work well.
Quoted from dgposter:I notice that there are 2 different sizes available for those keyless locks (5/8" and 7/8"). Which one would work for later model pinball machines?
The 7/8" ones for pinball doors .
Quoted from buffaloatx:Remove the door hinges, pull from the coin return, and bend the latch until you can remove the entire door.
Remove the lock and replace everything. Drilling is messy and dosen't always work well.
Huh??? You lost me here.
I have the keyless locks installed, but they don't seem to work that well for me:
- if I tighten the keyless lock's screw inside the coin door too tight, it won't turn at all
- if I let the screw to be a bit loose, it will become more loose during time and I am afraid
that at some point the lock won't turn at all anymore and instead the latch inside the pin
will remain in the "locked" position. If that would occur, those keyless locks seem like
a PITA to drill!
Any best practises with the keyless locks to share?
Quoted from Muppet_Man:I don't really need them to lock. So long as the cats can't get in. Where did you get those?
After you drill out the lock, take a crescent wrench to the door close to where the door and frame meet near the lock. Slightly bend the sheet metal until the door is able to close, and not open on its own. You will not need a lock at all after doing this.
Quoted from ranchdrsn:Huh??? You lost me here.
Remove the hinge pin from the coin door. Use a small jewelers screw driver and a hammer to tap the pin out until you can use a pair of pliers to pull it the rest of the way out. once you have done that use the coin return slots as grips to pull apart the hinge "fingers". once you have them apart there should be a gap between the coin door and the door frame. get your fingers in there and pull the door towards you and to the right, this will bend the lock latch allowing you to remove the door fully. once you have the door off remove the entire lock from the door and replace it with a new lock that you have the key for, or leave it off, you can shim it with a match book to keep it closed.
I've done this on my No Fear, and TZ and it doesn't take too much time or effort really.
Thanks for all of the links and the ideas guys.
I think I'm going to go the keyless locks as they're very cheap and should save me a load of hassle in the future. So as to avoid the problems Nepi23 has advised on, I'll put a bit of stud lock or superglue on the nut when it's in the correct position which should stop it coming loose again.
However, I've got to try the lock picking one just so I can pretend to be a cat burglar. After all, I've got the four cats - that is how it works isn't it?
If you've got time, sure why not try to pick a lock? The internet is full of useful burglary information lol.
http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-a-Lock
Quoted from wayout440:If you've got time, sure why not try to pick a lock? The internet is full of useful burglary information lol.
http://www.wikihow.com/Pick-a-Lock
That's unbelievable! Talk about a Home Study Course on lock picking.
I've got to have a go.
Quoted from buffaloatx:Remove the hinge pin from the coin door. Use a small jewelers screw driver and a hammer to tap the pin out until you can use a pair of pliers to pull it the rest of the way out. once you have done that use the coin return slots as grips to pull apart the hinge "fingers". once you have them apart there should be a gap between the coin door and the door frame. get your fingers in there and pull the door towards you and to the right, this will bend the lock latch allowing you to remove the door fully. once you have the door off remove the entire lock from the door and replace it with a new lock that you have the key for, or leave it off, you can shim it with a match book to keep it closed.
I've done this on my No Fear, and TZ and it doesn't take too much time or effort really.
I can't imagine that not damaging the door as there is only 3mm of gap to even get to the hinge pin, and the molding over and below it would be demolished. I guess it may work for some but a 4 dollar lock I don't mind ruining.
Quoted from Muppet_Man:So as to avoid the problems Nepi23 has advised on, I'll put a bit of stud lock or superglue on the nut when it's in the correct position which should stop it coming loose again.
This might be a problem though, if you sold your pin and the new owner would want to install "real locks"...
Quoted from Nepi23:This might be a problem though, if you sold your pin and the new owner would want to install "real locks"...
You can still undo them again, they just won't work loose by accident. All you need is some Oxycetaline tanks, a welders mask, a metre long set of adjustable's and a 12lbs lump hammer and it would be off again in a jiffy.
There is another method that is cleaner and usually quicker than drilling. Take a good size standard screwdriver, preferably with a square shaft, insert the blade in the lock and bang it in to get a good grip with a hammer, obviously not so hard that you damage the door. Then attach a pair of vise grips to the shaft of the screwdriver and turn, most locks will let go very easily, but I have had some take a few tries.
There is more info on drilling a lock on this thread:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/tips-for-drilling-out-a-lock
Quoted from ranchdrsn:I can't imagine that not damaging the door as there is only 3mm of gap to even get to the hinge pin, and the molding over and below it would be demolished. I guess it may work for some but a 4 dollar lock I don't mind ruining.
I hear you, but if you take your time the only thing that gets damaged is the lock latch, since you are only using your hands and not a pry bar there is not much chance of damaging anything important on the frame or door.
Anyway have fun picking the lock, it may take longer, but it does sound like more fun.
I picked up a High Speed today and of course the guy couldn't find the key to the coin door. I tried the screw driver method and had no success. I busted out the drill and was in 10 seconds later.
Ok, so when you drill what is your goal? Again, only because I have had such shitty luck drilling, literally hours without being able to get the tumbler to turn....
Quoted from nighttaco:Ok, so when you drill what is your goal? Again, only because I have had such shitty luck drilling, literally hours without being able to get the tumbler to turn....
Goal is to drill through the lock to get the screw off that holds the cam on.
I start with a small drill (1/8"), and start it in the key hole near the outside, angling it in toward the center.
Then I follow that up with a 1/4" and go all the way.
Really, once you've done it once, it takes less than 3 minutes....
I do it differently than tamoore.
I personally try to drill out the pins in the lock, by running a small bit through the shear line.
I use roughly the same procedure as in this video. It's less destructive, and doesn't dump a bunch of shavings in your cabinet.
I lost the keys to my Twilight Zone.
Ordered a set of lock picks, and picked it in under 5 minutes. First time I ever tried to pick a lock, it was painfully easy. It costs about $35 for a decent set, so probably only worth it if you want to mess around with the pick set on other locks.
This is the set I bought:
http://www.southord.com/Lock-Picking-Tools/Lock-Pick-Set-Slim-Line-Fifteen-Piece-1500.html
Then just watched some YouTube videos like this one:
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