So more and more I am considering a new Stern. Some of the gameplay like Iron Maiden is just too tempting to pass up. BUT one of the major complaints about any new Stern is the Spike system. I keep hearing nightmare stories of the Spike system. It could just be people complaining just to complain or there could be a major issue here.

The other thing that doesn't help is, I watched the YouTube video by Pinball Expert, Mark Schneider. In the 20 minute presentation, Mark gives the idea from a operator and tech standpoint that the new Sterns are less tech friendly and the only people the Spike system benefits is Stern's bottom line. If you would like to watch the video, search YouTube for the title, "Should you buy a NEW Stern Pinball Machine?"

So I guess in my long winded statement, the questions are:

- Is a new Stern worth the price?
- How is the Spike II working for everyone?
- Are the Spike II pretty much the same as Spike I?

That just the name of his YouTube channel. I'm not confirming or denying his expertise in the pinball realm.

I didn't know if Stern games were more circuit board based verse a P3 system. Can you remove the individual bulbs on a P3 system or is it like a Spike system where you have to replace the board or solder on an led light?

Also good to know about Mark. Life is all about perspective. I didn't think an operator would openly bash his pinball company that he does business with. Makes more sense now.

That sucks Tsskine! 600 plays isn't much at all to have a circuit board go out. Do you know if this is a common issue with Iron Maidens?

I know what you mean. It's just hard because some people have issues with the Stern systems and others don't have an issue at all. Makes me think twice when I go to buy. But then again, just not Stern is having issues with their games. So I guess you have just as much likely good having an issue with a Stern as you would with a JJP or any other company.

Well I have found the great distributor, just debating on what to buy. I have a lot of sweat equity into my pins. Wish I could buy each game I want but alas that is not the case. Even one is a stretch for me.

Haha thanks! I appreciate it. With the 5 years I've been in pinball I've never bought new. I've definitely had many learning experiences over the years

I like all the information everyone has been saying so far. Hopefully these games hold longevity. I would hate to see problems arise down the road over issue that could have been resolved up front at the factory. Only time will tell what will happen with these Spike systems

I totally agree @merccat! I really don't mind paying more up front for a quality product if the replacement down the road will be cheaper. It makes no sense to me to charge $1,000 per board. You can't tell me that the combined boards in their pins cost more than the pin itself.