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Westminster, MA
Since my Graphic Designer recently completed Hayride's backglass, I'll be bringing
in the lower cabinet in the game room also, and will be going through it once the colder
weather comes in. This was done only from an image, not digitizing, so it's not quite as
crisp as silkscreen, but better than using the original..
She also recreated the right sling's plastic which came out pretty decent. The rest
of the plastics are fine..
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Agreed, or Sure Shot.
Quoted from EJS:I think this is the most famous game for insert popping
wonder why?
Bad batch/lot of glue
or plywood different
or holes bored out slightly too big
or batch of inserts themselves slightly too small
Commonality is that Bank Shot/ Sure Shot and Ship Ahoy/Buccaneer
are mostly numbered inserts, as is Golden Arrow
Quoted from pinwiztom:wonder why?
Bad batch/lot of glue
or plywood different
or holes bored out slightly too big
or batch of inserts themselves slightly too small
Commonality is that Bank Shot/ Sure Shot and Ship Ahoy/Buccaneer
are mostly numbered inserts, as is Golden Arrow
In my experience there was a range of time where loose inserts and bad playfield posts intersected. I have no idea if/why there would be any relevance to these two issues but So76/Pioneer, Card Whiz/Royal Flush, Bank Shot/ Sure Shot and Ship Ahoy/Buccaneer are four games that multiple examples have come through my hands over the years and all suffered from both of these issues.
Looking at the Volume P parts catalog these four titles were run in sequence. The games before them were Abra Ca Dabra and Gold Strike and the games after were Surf Champ/Surfer and Volley. The noted games directly before and after have, in my experience, been stable when it comes to posts and inserts. I would guess they had an issue with the plastics supplier(maybe had to use an alternate) in that time period which they rectified soon after.
Quoted from MikeO:In my experience there was a range of time where loose inserts and bad playfield posts intersected. I have no idea if/why there would be any relevance to these two issues but So76/Pioneer, Card Whiz/Royal Flush, Bank Shot/ Sure Shot and Ship Ahoy/Buccaneer are four games that multiple examples have come through my hands over the years and all suffered from both of these issues.
Looking at the Volume P parts catalog these four titles were run in sequence. The games before them were Abra Ca Dabra and Gold Strike and the games after were Surf Champ/Surfer and Volley. The noted games directly before and after have, in my experience, been stable when it comes to posts and inserts. I would guess they had an issue with the plastics supplier(maybe had to use an alternate) in that time period which they rectified soon after.
Surf Champ owner here. Can verify no loose inserts on a beat up pf.
Quoted from MikeO:In my experience there was a range of time where loose inserts and bad playfield posts intersected. I have no idea if/why there would be any relevance to these two issues but So76/Pioneer, Card Whiz/Royal Flush, Bank Shot/ Sure Shot and Ship Ahoy/Buccaneer are four games that multiple examples have come through my hands over the years and all suffered from both of these issues.
Looking at the Volume P parts catalog these four titles were run in sequence. The games before them were Abra Ca Dabra and Gold Strike and the games after were Surf Champ/Surfer and Volley. The noted games directly before and after have, in my experience, been stable when it comes to posts and inserts. I would guess they had an issue with the plastics supplier(maybe had to use an alternate) in that time period which they rectified soon after.
Unless someone has direct knowledge of the factory doings, we may never know for sure. Maybe they tried a different glue? I bet the inserts were fine the few years these games were on location, so who knows.....also as for quality of posts, my experience has been they may have over tightened them causing the splitting.....all speculation of course.......
Quoted from stashyboy:Unless someone has direct knowledge of the factory doings, we may never know for sure. Maybe they tried a different glue? I bet the inserts were fine the few years these games were on location, so who knows.....also as for quality of posts, my experience has been they may have over tightened them causing the splitting.....all speculation of course.......
As someone who has restored games from the 50s through the 80s, my experience has been quality of materials got slowly worse over time. Moreso in the wood quality but also in materials used throughout the games. They just got cheaper and cheaper in what they did. Restore a mid 60s game vs mid 70s and it's pretty obvious.
It would not surprise me that whatever caused these issues was the result of some attempt to squeeze more money by cheapening some part of the process.
Quoted from autosight780:About to begin on this rare bird
That playfield looks pretty nice!
The last couple days were hot, humid, rainy, or all 3, so I went through the Extra Inning.
It turns out last Winter the original head was being dripped on from a small leak. It got
to the (what was a) nice backglass also, so I had to use the spare head I had. The head
and glass aren't in' the best of shape, but was fortunate just to have an extra..
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Ottawa, ON
Produced and ordered laser-cut stencils for Egg Head from Sculpteo. They are in 1/8" MDF.
Going to take the backbox into my local Benjamin Moore and see if I can get a decent colour match for the orange/red and the blues.
My cabinet is repainted in latex in most places.
If anyone has a nice Benjamin Moore colour for the base cabinet white let me know.
As there was a chunk ripped off my backbox I made a replacement -- https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cabinet-repair-advice#post-7732306
Quoted from Mopar:The last couple days were hot, humid, rainy, or all 3, so I went through the Extra Inning.
It turns out last Winter the original head was being dripped on from a small leak. It got
to the (what was a) nice backglass also, so I had to use the spare head I had. The head
and glass aren't in' the best of shape, but was fortunate just to have an extra..
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Extra Inning needs Extra Love!
Quoted from jrpinball:Extra Inning needs Extra Love!
Yea. That extra head was lovely to have.
Just a year or so ago, I sold my 2nd one and kept this one, because
at the time, this one was a little nicer.
Although I have a pretty decent Home Run, if another Extra Inning
pops up (somewhat locally) with a good head and decent backglass,
I may try trading it in. I think I have all the early 70s AAB Wedge Head
baseball theme pins. This Extra Inning being the worse condition one
of the 4. I think 4. Batter Up, Extra Inning, Home Run, and World Series,
right?
I tried a variety of methods to remove labels from my Gottlieb Egg Head relay frames. If you heat it with a heat gun (heat the frame but avoid the label) the glue liquifies and you can just lift the label off with tweezers.
Quoted from dr_nybble:Finding that the switch stack soldering on Egg Head pop off fairly easily. I've never worked on a Gottlieb before, is this common?
Very common. Especially on some of the woodrails. Keep that soldering iron hot!
Quoted from dr_nybble:Finding that the switch stack soldering on Egg Head pop off fairly easily. I've never worked on a Gottlieb before, is this common?
I had to resolder 10-15 wires on an EggHead I went through a few years back. I went through and tugged on every wire in the game to get them addressed. It is common to this era. I'm not sure what was different about the materials they were using at this time compared to before and after this era. Earlier games and later games don't share this defect. But there were a few/several in this era that did/do.
Williams Spacelab model 443, very clean and only a few issues, one of them being that it has a Spacelab model 444 backglass in the head. I’ll have to source the correct Spacelab (or failing that, a Skylab).
note the light bleed through the five stars, because the two models have different backboxes
Quoted from AndrewP:Williams Spacelab model 443, very clean and only a few issues, one of them being that it has a Spacelab model 444 backglass in the head. I’ll have to source the correct Spacelab (or failing that, a Skylab).
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I had one. If you need a copy of the schematics I can get them for you. I don’t know if they are any different than Skylab. Mine came in blueprint form.
Quoted from Murphdom:I had one. If you need a copy of the schematics I can get them for you. I don’t know if they are any different than Skylab. Mine came in blueprint form.
Im working thru a skylab and i can tell u the instructions PDF has pages missing. A williams instruction PDF for Jubilee may help since they are very similar.
Pinball Database has them and a schematic too.
im finishing a total resto/furb. on my skylab. Im down to repainting most of the totally faded planked PF now...but its working 100%.
Thanks for all the help and encouragement. I’m in pretty good shape and I’m enamored with the color scheme and graphic design of this machine, the dark color scheme is doing it for me. I had a broken wire to resolver and with some cleaning this one will be in the lineup this weekend.
I submitted a full scan of the manual to the IPDB earlier this year. I guess it never got posted by them. 
Dave
Trying to bring a completely dead 1948 United Monterrey back to life.
I did some minor touch ups on the topside but the whole bottom side needs gone through.
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Going to inch my way from front to back and give every mech and every switch some lovin’
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After dismantling, Evaporust, tumbler, reassembly
IMG_8528 (resized).jpegFeels good to have something clean enough on my North Star to post here. Cab has been sanded and painted, today I got the motor board done and back into the cab. Game is in good shape, but the cab had been repainted with house paint and everything inside is just filthy.
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I'm working on this one. I didn't cut the wires and I didn't solder it it back together either. But it was brought to me to work on because it wasn't working right. No surprise there. But after 3 hours I did find two blue/red wires that were swapped on two separate plugs. It's tough tracking these down. Now the owner isn't sure he wants to move forward fixing the game because it's going to cost too much. I'm fine with not having to sort out any more of this rats nest.
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My 1971 Bally Sea Ray was missing one of the playfield support rubber feet. It took me a while to figure out what they're called, and then to find a vendor.
Anyway, Rubberfeetwarehouse, an eBay vendor, has them in many sizes in lots of 25. Their price is reasonable, and their service excellent. If you don't have another source for these, I highly recommend these guys.
IMG_3241 (resized).JPGIMG_3253 (resized).JPGJust picked up this Gottlieb King Pin. This is only the second EM that I've been involved with, so again, a slow learning curve. Game came with new drop targets, a flipper rebuild kit, new rubbers, and pop bumper caps. Just talked to Steve yesterday at Pinball Resource for a couple spring kits for steppers and some odds and ends. We'll have it up and working like new in no time, hopefully.
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I have never changed stepper springs in Gottlieb EMs (have restored dozens), but sometimes cheat a bit by shortening existing ones. Biggest thing is making sure all moving parts are 100% free. They often get gummed up with solidified grease over 50 years! Great player, I currently have one, have done several over the years including 2 aab cousin Pin Ups.
Quoted from stashyboy:I have never changed stepper springs in Gottlieb EMs (have restored dozens), but sometimes cheat a bit by shortening existing ones. Biggest thing is making sure all moving parts are 100% free. They often get gummed up with solidified grease over 50 years! Great player, I currently have one, have done several over the years including 2 aab cousin Pin Ups.
A couple of the springs look a bit "wonky". Figured while I was on the phone I should at least update while I had things apart.
Bulli
Gottlieb Double-Shuffle from 1949. As it's warming up here in Australia time for the 1st cabinet repaint.
Got 3 done last year, North Star, Baseball and Grande Domino.
This game was bought off ebay and mostly works. So pulled the game down and started on the paint. Huge job ahead.
Not only is the original design gone.
So have the head stripped, onto the body on Friday.
Missing lockdown bar and side rails, have rails.
20230826_171502 (resized).jpg20230927_164456 (resized).jpgQuoted from illawarra92:Gottlieb Double-Shuffle from 1949
I'm not sure how rare D.S. is, but years back, Dave Silverman was lacking only
a couple of the Gottlieb woodrails, with D.B. being one of them. Back then being
primarily into Wedge Heads, I traded him for my 1st Flipper Cowboy.
The glass was missing a chunk from the upper left corner. My Graphic Designer
reproduced the glass. This was before I had a digital camera. It came out nice.
Wish I had pics..
After reading about the experience of others, making a .020" PETG playfield protector for Capersville seemed like a cheap and not too difficult option until I'm ready to pull it all apart for touch up and clear coat. If all goes well I'll be playing on it this weekend. About $40 for enough PETG to do four tables. If this hand made version works I may try drawing it up electronically so I can have it cut and perhaps even backprinted.
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Quoted from Mopar:I'm not sure how rare D.S. is, but years back, Dave Silverman was lacking only
a couple of the Gottlieb woodrails, with D.B. being one of them. Back then being
primarily into Wedge Heads, I traded him for my 1st Flipper Cowboy.
The glass was missing a chunk from the upper left corner. My Graphic Designer
reproduced the glass. This was before I had a digital camera. It came out nice.
Wish I had pics..
Thanks for that. I did contact another member of Pinside and got photos from side on, front and side of head.
So will be able to use those (was a draftsman back in the day, those skills really help).
Finishing up PF on my Williams Skylab. Close to 90% complete repaint. Still thinking about doing a 2 tone space background...with stars painted on it. Kinda like on the williams space mission...except in two tone purple/violet. Will Clear coat and see what it looks like waxed. I'm still kicking around doing a plex overlay over the whole thing...if the waxing doesn't come out like I want
20230924_143735 (resized).jpg20230926_222535 (resized).jpgQuoted from mbaumle:I bought this Abra ca Dabra 3 years ago. It’s finally getting its time in the limelight. First order of business: get that damn metal plate unbolted from the bottom of the cabinet. [quoted image]
Well, that's timely!. This is a Wizard conversion game. I'm just doing the cab repairs and repaint for Mike O
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Quoted from pevo:I'm still kicking around doing a plex overlay over the whole thing
what is a plex overlay?
The overlay was installed last night. It eliminated all the effects of the cupped inserts on play. It is also much quieter, there is very little ball rolling sound. I'm going to play around with creating a CAD cut file and digital artwork to have it second surface printed. For under $100 I should be able to do both. Installation was pretty easy, requiring only the removal of two wire gates and the flippers.
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Quoted from EMsInKC:Well, that's timely!. This is a Wizard conversion game. I'm just doing the cab repairs and repaint for Mike O
Looks great! Shame a 2001 had to be sacrificed though.
Quoted from mbaumle:Looks great! Shame a 2001 had to be sacrificed though.
The 2001 was rough to begin with and had been cannibalized long ago. I've had that cabinet sitting in my garage since 2009. It was purchased as a replacement cabinet for a 2001 I had at the time that had been painted over in oil based paint. I ended up finding a complete nice 2001 so this one continued as parts for other games. The playfield went to a good home where theirs was trashed and the head with guts went to a Dimension body that was missing the head. He will obviously have some rewiring to do.
I still have the motor relay board although it is missing some parts.
When Ken and I spawned the Wizard project this shallow body cabinet was immediately locked in as my donor cabinet. I'm lucky to have access to Scott. His work is great.
Quoted from jaytrem:A few weeks of hydrogen peroxide and occasional sun have these looking pretty good...
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Quoted from MikeO:The 2001 was rough to begin with and had been cannibalized long ago. I've had that cabinet sitting in my garage since 2009. It was purchased as a replacement cabinet for a 2001 I had at the time that had been painted over in oil based paint. I ended up finding a complete nice 2001 so this one continued as parts for other games. The playfield went to a good home where theirs was trashed and the head with guts went to a Dimension body that was missing the head. He will obviously have some rewiring to do.
I still have the motor relay board although it is missing some parts.
When Ken and I spawned the Wizard project this shallow body cabinet was immediately locked in as my donor cabinet. I'm lucky to have access to Scott. His work is great.
Mike is way too kind here.
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