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Weird Problem Gottlieb King Pin

By Lathroum

4 years ago


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#8 4 years ago
Quoted from Lathroum:

Mostly happens on the kickout holes and the drop targets... like every time....

The drop targets, kickout holes and rollovers mostly fire the B/500 point relay or the C/5000 point relay. Does the Ball Count advance if you manually trip either one of those?

It seems likely that you have a short somewhere which will be a little harder to resolve. Here is the Ball Count circuit:
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Use this to narrow down where the short might be. For example, if you block the switch on the O/Ball Return relay in the red box with a folded piece of paper, does the problem go away? If so you know that the problem is in that part of the circuit.

Another way to find shorts is to turn down the lights and look for sparks between contacts when the Ball Count unit advances.

If the problem only happens when scoring 500 or 5000 points, there's likely a Score Motor switch involved in advancing the Ball Count at the wrong time. Another approach might be to disconnect the Score Motor service jack, hit a 500 point target, then manually turn the Score Motor slowly to see if you can figure out which switch stack is active when the Ball Count advances.

The whole time you're poking around, look for bare wire, bent solder tabs, solder blobs, etc. that might get unrelated things touching.

/Mark

#15 4 years ago
Quoted from Lathroum:

I found a score motor switch on the bottom stack where it is marked 2... every time it it activated it moves to the next ball.... is this supposed to happen?

No. Is the switch you found normally open, the outermost switch in that 2B stack, and between the blue-black wire and orange-white wire? That resets the A/Reset Completed relay and should be unrelated. The other switches in that stack should all be normally closed so they shouldn't activate something when they open. If you block that switch, does the problem go away? If so, that switch is part of the problem but we still need to figure out how that's connected to the Ball Count unit.

Quoted from Lathroum:

Also when I drain a ball the score motor also spins? is this correct?

Yes. The Ball Return switch in the drain activates the O/Ball Return relay which starts the Score Motor.

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