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Weird Pop Bumber issue Bally Paragon.. Need Help

By fusion301

9 years ago



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#1 9 years ago

Some strange things going on with a Bally Paragon I'm working on. Bottom Pop bumper wasn't working so I figured its either a switch issue or transistor on the board. Pop bumper switch seems fine, it scores but doesn't pop. Grounded the Transistor on the board and it works. Figured it was a whacky transistor so I replaced it with a new TIP102. put everything back together still doesn't work. HERE IS WHERE THINGS GET WEIRD... Once I ground the transistor out on the board, the pop bumper starts working for a while on its own, almost like it got jump started??? It stops working after a few games and goes back to just scoring.

Any suggestions or theories on this little odd behavior?

#2 9 years ago

You may have a bad transistor array chip, or diode on the SDB.

It sounds like one of your solid state devices is latching open, then the manual trigger releases it for a while until it decides to latch again.

#3 9 years ago

Interesting, ok I will have to see if I can replace that associated chip - is the diode worth messing with first or should I go straight to replacing the chip?

#4 9 years ago

The diode is cheap and easy to replace with lower risk of damage. Do it first. Clip the leads right next to the body and remove them independently.

If you have to do the chip, get some precision diagonal pliers and snip the chip legs off right next to the chip body, then heat the solder and pull the legs out one at a time. Then solder-suck the excess solder from the through-holes. Mount a socket and install the new chip. Don't sacrifice the board for a cheap chip.

#5 9 years ago

Also check the path to ground from the new TIP 102 to the ground plane on the solenoid driver board. Depending on how long it locked on, the trace from the transistor to ground could be open.

#6 9 years ago

agreed. Diodes are know to leak or go and are very cheap.

#7 9 years ago

The solenoid never locked on - its basically locked off, until I ground it out, then it works for awhile and goes back to not working. Yep no problem doing the chip soldering, got my Hakko desoldering gun.. woo woo.

Im leaning towards it being the chip just seems so strange to me that it would work after you ground it out and then suddenly stop after a game or two, then you ground it out and it works for a bit again. Diodes usually are either good or bad and same with transistors, never had one sometimes work.. I'll let everyone know what I find out.

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