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#1 3 years ago

Rather than start another game restoration thread (or two or three) I figured I should probably just make an all encompassing post for the multitude of machines I am working on at any given time. These threads are handy for the owners of these machines to see progress as I move along.

It's a Bally/Stern Blog as that's all I work on.

For several machines this will be a continuation of one of these threads:

Flash Gordon Cabinet Restoration: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/flash-gordon-cabinet-restoration

Bally Kiss Restoration: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-kiss-restoration-1/page/2#post-6161861

Centaur II Restoration: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/centaur-ii-restoration#post-6151017

Evel Knievel Restoration: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/evel-knievel-restoration-many-pics#post-6109972

Kiss got new flashing installed in the backbox & box bolted to the cab..... working on transformer now.

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#2 3 years ago

Cheetah finally got the cab clearcoated... This thing has been painted for I dunno... 3 or 4 months & just been busy with so much other stuff. But this one is starting to get assembled tonight. I'll get some better pics tonight when it's out of the booth where the lighting is funky.

Rumor is, the CPR PF might not be too far away.

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#3 3 years ago

The Rapid Fire cabinet on Centuar II has been kicking my butt, but is finally getting close to color.

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#4 3 years ago

Evel Knievel has been stripped & repairs begun.

The Corners on this were in bad shape, needed a lot of fiberglass resin work. Plus I had a lot of wood separation when I removed some of the inner wood pieces.

I filled in all the factory slots, I'm going to re-attach the wood bracing a bit differently than how Bally did it to make it look cleaner. This game is getting all new wood on inside of cab including corner braces. I have a bit more strengthening work on outside before I pull the corners & start working on them.

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#5 3 years ago

Flash Gordon is getting some black.......

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#6 3 years ago

& Then there's my favorite new project.....

I had a wanted ad up that I wanted a piece of crap condition Meteor to do a Star Gazer out of........ I think I found one to fit the bill.

This baby was ROUGH.

Someone hacked large gouge in it to install a Williams shooter housing etc. All the corners..... had major damage.

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#7 3 years ago

Same deal as the Evel Knievel... this one will get all new wood made for it.

Not ready for paint yet, but it's a heck of a lot closer to it than it was a few weeks ago! Hard to believe it is the same cabinet.

Both these machines are going to get custom made clear coated maple bottoms installed.

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#9 3 years ago

Started re-assembling Cheetah cabinet.

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#10 3 years ago

Made a new transformer board for Cheetah....this machine did'nt have one when it was purchased & brought to me. SO I made one out of 3/4" wood (factory was 1/2") & clear coated it to show off the woodgrain a little better. Next one I do, I may stain to a little darker color. I thought the clear would darken this blonde wood a little more than it did.

Getting closer on the cab on it.

Going to make a new speaker board for it as well, as the original is junk.

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#11 3 years ago

Kiss is getting closer. Display board mounted.... I will clean up & re-route wiring once the PF wiring harness is ran. New Rectifier board, cleaned up & re-routed wiring on transformer & the trans shield.

Since it's a KISS, I'll probably end up with different bulbs in it, but 2SMD Comet Warm Whites will give me a starting point.

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#13 3 years ago

Cheetah transformer/rectifier wired up

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#14 3 years ago

Flash Gordon got it's "stripes" as it were....

Tried about 5 different shades of gold before I came up with this one that I was most happy with. In the up close pics, you can see how same piece can give off different look depending on flash/lighting/camera angle etc.

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#16 3 years ago

Displays for KISS are assembled. Still have to install the filters & foam surrounds.

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#17 3 years ago

Cheetah got side rails, flipper buttons, shooter rod hardware finally. Very impressed with the Pinball Life Stern side rails, excellent fit & very heavy gauge stainless.

I think the new CPR PF for this is being delivered tomorrow. Discussed it with owner, going to let that sit for at least a month to see what happens with clear & inserts. I just had a FG CPR come in last week that has sat for a few months since the last batch was ran & inserts are moving & cracked through the clear. So I'm going to be a little more hesitant on this one to give it some time before doing anything with it.

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#18 3 years ago

FG got it's final gold stripes......

Will paint the backbox support black here tonight & then it's ready for clear.

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#19 3 years ago

Kiss PF just about done. Got the target banks all wired up & coil ultrasonic'd & new Bally wrapper.

I'm also going to start labeling all of the connectors now on machines I restore. I know exactly where all these connectors go, but I think will be helpful for future owners on down the line.

I had some polished metal on this PF get some surface rust from my garage getting too humid a few weeks ago. Huge PITA, went back through & pulled a lot of stuff & re-polished. Wil not happen in a normal environment, but every year coming out of winter & into spring I get a day or two where the heat is not on & the humidity screws me. I've made some changes to assure that does'nt happen again.

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#20 3 years ago

Centaur II Cab is more than likely getting painted black tomorrow eve. Final pre-paint prep tonight. Started going through cab parts for re-assembly. Ultrasonic'd the harness, started polishing parts etc.

The PF on this is ready for clear this week. I have to clear it & a second Flash Gordon PF together. Then final touch ups will be done & it will be ready to start re-populating.

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#21 3 years ago

As part of my humidity reckoning.....as well as just needing more space etc. I built a new Pinball assembly clean room. This knocked a couple weeks of pin work backwards, but hopefully people realize that this will make quality of my work going forward that much better & will be worth the slight delay.

Polycuramine floor, 38 more feet of workbench space, 6 more LED lights, 38 feet of shelving, 7 more outlets etc.

I'm up to 70 feet of workbench's in my main garage & another 6 feet in the paint booth.... I tend to like workbench room & lot's of light. My Wife always jokes that I'm afraid of the dark. I just like to be able to see what I'm doing.

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#24 3 years ago
Quoted from Flash71:

More Flash Gordon resto pics!! ; )

Ask & ye shall receive.

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#25 3 years ago

& that's your FG behind Centaur on the far left.

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#26 3 years ago

C2 is black.....

I'm convinced if Darth Vader owned a pinball machine, a Centaur 2 would be it.

I'll let this sit for a day or two while I figure out shade of silver for it.

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#29 3 years ago

Red....

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#30 2 years ago

Centaur got initial PF clear after many many hours of touch ups. I'll sand this down, do final touch ups, install insert decals etc before next coat of clear.

Also shot some more clear on FG lower PF that customer had an accident with.

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#31 2 years ago

KISS PF finally in the game...... pay no attention to angle of flippers, they are just in there, as I had to pull flipper mechs back out for re-polishing last week. Also still have to install left spinner. But it's pretty close now.... coin door & few small little things left.

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#32 2 years ago

I bought this Bobby Orr a few weeks ago off of a tech where I work. He found it through a neighbor of his, guy was moving & needed it gone. I don't know exactly what I'm doing with it yet, probably will be sold when done. I'd actually like to have it ready to sell at Allentown if that happens. The PF in this is pretty decent, that's where my conundrum lies... do I invest in a CPR PF or just touch up & clear the factory PF. Undecided.

The rest is pretty straight forward.... cab wood is in really nice shape, this will be easy to make nice compared to some of the others I have done recently.

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#33 2 years ago

Centaur sanded & more touch ups before next round of clear for leveling.

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#34 2 years ago

Kiss Apron got bead blasted, painted & decal'd. Working on coin door right now. typically takes me about 10 hours to tear a door down, polish everything & re-assemble.

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#35 2 years ago

Cheetah PF looks to be one of the better prints I have seen out of the pics that have been posted. Owner & I laid this next to his original & looked at colors. I think CPR did an excellent job on this PF for a very small limited run item. The colors are dead on other than the womans leg wrap, slightly different orange/red shade, but no big deal. There is also some differences in some of the fonts used, but again that's getting very picky.

Overall I'd say this is one of the nicest CPR Repo's I have seen.

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#36 2 years ago

Bobby Orr is pretty close to ready for primer......

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#37 2 years ago

Flash71's FG Cab also almost ready for primer......

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#38 2 years ago

2 Flash Gordon backboxes also almost ready for Primer, I sealed the bottom of the Viking BB with Fiberglass resin as it was starting to flake. The True FG Backbox was in better shape on the bottom, but the rear seams were not great, so I enlarged the seam & fill it with Fiberglass resin to strengthen it & eliminate any future possibility of seam showing through paint.

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#40 2 years ago

Kiss coin door almost finished up.

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#42 2 years ago

KISS Coin door got finished up. I eliminated the center coin mech & did a pair of quarter mechs on the outboards so that it matches the Evel Knievel that the owner I'm sure will have sitting side by side with KISS in his game room.

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#43 2 years ago

Got KISS fired up for 1st time & began de-bugging it. One feature light on PF to deal with, front pop bumper switch needs adjusted & I think I have a bad original diode on the ball saver gate.

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#45 2 years ago

Finished re-clearing & buffing a CPR FG re-screen that a buddy had a small accident with. I just think this is neat picture with the reflection of my dual halogen 500 W work lights.

3M Perfect it Machine Polish is gooood stuff. Now I get to spend a couple hours cleaning all the buffing compound residue out of all the holes & slots & should be ready for him to start reassembling again.

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#46 2 years ago

Tom's FG got clear coated.

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#47 2 years ago

For people who missed the original thread... That FG cabinet has come a long way.

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#50 2 years ago

Centaur PF final buffed & cleaned out all the holes/slots. Sanded & painted the backside.

Going on the rotisserie tonight.

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#51 2 years ago

Centaur starting to get re-populated. All new braid, sockets, T nuts & hardware. All the switches were in good shape so those will be cleaned & re-used.

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#53 2 years ago

I'm going to replace all the bulbs in the machine to Comet SMD's. From here on out that is pretty much the only style of bulbs I will use.

KISS came with a set of non comet LED/SMD's & the difference in light & quality is stunning. I put all the ones KISS came with back in a bag for customer to take home, sell to someone else etc.

Rest of the lamp sockets I needed according to USPS tracking are sitting in my mailbox right now, so will be getting the underside lights done in next evening or two.

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#54 2 years ago

Don't know how I lived without an Ultrasonic cleaner before.

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#55 2 years ago

Moving along with CentaurII

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#58 2 years ago

I did polish the main housing & the coil stop, but the rest are right out of ultrasonic with Purple Power cleaner.

Pinballrebel for the coil wraps.

#59 2 years ago

Got most of the ball ejector assy cleaned & polished & rebuilt. Need to print correct coil wrapper for the ejector coil as it is unique to this game, but just threw a random 26-1200 on it for now.

I'm waiting for someone to spot the error I made on the feature lamp sockets.

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#64 2 years ago
Quoted from tomdrum:

Slingshot lamp is wired to the feature lamp bus.

Actually on Centaur those single sling lamps are tied into the features for power braid, so that's not it.

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#65 2 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

My new favorite restore thread. Nice shop, nice skills, nice work!
Watching your Cheetah progress with anticipation. I'm letting my PF cure for a bit before starting my restore.

Thanks. The Cheetah owner decided to clear his CPR. So that's getting added to the Clearcoat cue for this weekend. I've got to do a Mirco Sorcerer for same owner & Rob's CPR Flash Gordon.

#67 2 years ago

The 4 feature sockets for the 4 green arrows on the right side of PF have to be lay down style as they fit under the memory coils for the drop target bank. I saw in my reference pics of bare PF with lamps & braid still on it, they were lay down & thought that was stupid, so I swapped them to standups..... then later on looking through pics with the PF still populated I see why they had to be lay down sockets. Should'nt have questioned why Bally had lay down sockets in there.

#68 2 years ago

Fun holiday weekend...... put in 36 hours on pinball work.

Cheetah got CPR clear sanded down & fresh coat of clear. These pics are about an hour after clearing it yesterday. Will get sanded & buffed tonight.

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#69 2 years ago

Sanded down a new/used Mirco Sorcerer.... guy had installed new PF & butchered the install, had all sorts of stuff done wrong, stuff grounded wrong etc. damaged board on initial fire up, so he gave up on machine & a buddy of mine got it for a steal. Some people should just outsource PF swaps rather than try to do them themselves. This one was BAD. Inserts were slightly sunk & entire populating job needed re-done, so he decided to just have me clear it while he had it apart.

I sanded entire backside down to freshen up some of the screw hole damage etc.

Also polished inserts on my EK Hardtop project & put a coat of clear on it to seal it for the hardtop.

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#70 2 years ago

& as if I did'nt have enough fun with PF's this weekend, I sanded down Rob's CPR FG & cleared it after some touchups.

This one was worst CPR I have worked on. The inserts had shifted & popped up through the clear on a couple of the bonus inserts, #2 & 3 in particular. Of course that left a slight line of art missing in the black. There is a before & after sanding closeup of the affected area.

All touched up & cleared now. Will flatten it & buff it tonight along with Sorcerer & Cheetah.

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#71 2 years ago

Centaur 2 lamp board got sanded, painted, all new braid & sockets. Wiring ran through ultrasonic & re- zip tied, polished all the hardware & cleaned all the boards. Going with an Alltek LD to drive the SMD's throughout. Made some new connector wiring for the 2 sound boards, as it looked like it had been hacked up in a previous life. Re-pinned some questionable connectors as well.

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#72 2 years ago

Same thing to the display board..... ultrasonic the wiring & new zip ties/clean up wiring routing. Paint board & display holders, new ground braid & lamp sockets, cleaned the displays, polished all the hardware. Luckily this game was in pretty nice players condition when I got my paws on it.

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#73 2 years ago

C2 Backbox stripped & primed. Other than the fact this thing is all MDF, which sucks to work with, it's actually in really good condition & will take very minor repairs to make nice.

I was going to leave the factory silver reflective foil inside of it, but then I decided it would take longer to tape it up & have to worry about edges not looking right etc than it will for me to just make a new single wrap around sheet of aluminum flashing in it, which will look 10X nicer in the end, so I ripped that reflective foil paper crap out of there & put it in garbage can where it belongs. Can definitely see Bally getting cheaper on their builds by 1982.

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#75 2 years ago
Quoted from HoakyPoaky:

I'd like to know more about this, because I've been thinking of buying a larger commercial 15L ultrasonic cleaner with heating & easy drain options.
I have a very small one that I use, for smaller parts that gets great results. I prefer it much more than my crushed walnut tumbler. And it would be nice to throw a wiring harnesses into a large ultrasonic instead of using a dishwasher.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm just curious what you use.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/ultrasonic-cleaners/page/14#post-6294005

Everything you could ever want to know is in that post topic.

I forget exactly what size mine is, but it holds around 4 gallons. Most normal wiring harnesses fit fine. Centaur 2 PF harness is pretty big one, I just did that one over the weekend & it pushes limits of size of mine. I use 50/50 purplepower & water in mine. Just have to rinse parts off real well with clean water or it will leave a residue if you tried to air dry it right out of cleaner.

On harnesses I rinse them off with warm water & then hit with compressed air to get them dry quickly & internally.

#78 2 years ago

FG Backbox getting close to color.

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#79 2 years ago

Rob's FG PF cut & buffed. Still gotta clean the buffing compound out of the holes/slots.

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#80 2 years ago

The CPR Cheetah PF got sanded & buffed. Still need to paint the backside grey.

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#81 2 years ago

Rob's FG Cabinet just down to woodgrain work.

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#82 2 years ago

Sorcerer got cut & buffed.

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#85 2 years ago

Starting to get some silver on C2.

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#87 2 years ago

Will need some minor touch ups before clear (as they all do) but overall looking good.

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#88 2 years ago

Working on Centaur drop target mechs.... got 2 out of the 3 done. Inline drop should be done tonight to complete the set.

It's a shame the memory coil bank are upside down in the machine & you can't even see them...... but at least I know they look nice. & if anyone ever removes the target bank they can see I did'nt skimp out on them.

Once these targets are on PF, the wiring harness should be ready to start re-installation. I restocked up on solder. Will take over a pound to do a harness.

Final bit of red going on C2 cab tonight & then it's ready for touch ups & clear later this week.

FG Back box & Cab getting final Primer tomorrow eve.

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#90 2 years ago

C2 harness in process..... all new Comet SMD's

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#91 2 years ago

Backbox got painted black....

Wiring harness is coming along.

Owner wants Molex connectors added to the 3 drop target banks for easy removal. I'll add those once all the "normal" wiring is done.

Once you "clean up" the wire routing over how Bally threw it together 40 years ago, the wring looks a lot less "jumbled".

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#92 2 years ago

Cab is cleared.

Should be fairly straightforward to re-populate the cab here later this week.

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#94 2 years ago

The EK has been done for 4 or 5 months. The Kiss just got finished recently.

I had individual posts about them w while back before I started this Blog.

KISS:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bally-kiss-restoration-1/page/2#post-6161861

EK:
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/evel-knievel-restoration-many-pics#post-6109972

#95 2 years ago

C2 Backbox in Silver

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#96 2 years ago

Ignore the wood dust from drilling holes for the wiring looms.... starting on ground braid & wiring install, metal polish etc.

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#97 2 years ago

Getting closer on C2

Again, ignore the wood dust. Needs a good vacuum job. Will just wait till everything is done & give it a final clean.

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#98 2 years ago

Getting closer.

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#99 2 years ago

Since no one makes new side rails for these rapid fire cabinets...... I just had to modify a normal Bally set. Good thing I was a machinist in a previous life. I only opened up the flipper button holes .025" & have the button housing flush with the outside of the rail. I think the way Bally did it with the rail having a massive hole & big gap around the button looked awful. My way looks much cleaner.

& Then I shortened the rails & added the notch for the upper cabinet arch in the rails, came out very nice.

Coin door was in a little worse shape than I remembered, so it's getting a new skin & a decent coin mech backside resto, but again this game is not supposed to be going "Full blown" resto, so I gotta stop somewhere (which is hard for me to do)

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#100 2 years ago

Backbox cleared, new flashing made.... new ground braid, polished the board holders etc.

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#101 2 years ago

Coin door is coming along.... still need to clean up the 3 main coin mechs & install them as well as adjust the door fitment, but overall looking fairly spiffy. This was'nt a full blown coin door resto, this was just a cheapy, make it look decent job.

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#102 2 years ago

New speaker, new power cord etc.

The cab, other than just finishing up minor coin door stuff is basically done.

Now just onto finishing up the remaining PF wiring & it's about ready to start testing.

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#103 2 years ago

Getting closer on the PF. Legs are shot black.

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#106 2 years ago

Legs got clear coated & new levelers & polished bolts, added Stern hidden steel cab protectors as well under the legs.

Got the inline drop target rebuilt, those suck, hence why I left it for last.

Should be getting fired up for testing by end of the weekend.

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#108 2 years ago

Finished up the PF, sanded/painted & clear-coated the rails. Had few minor wiring issues I sorted out while PF was out of game. Always a good idea to just run the wiring routing through your head to make sure everything looks "logical" & the way things should be routed before installing in game.

These PF's are so freaking heavy I did not want to be taking this one back in & out.

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#109 2 years ago

Finished off the coin door & then like an idiot forgot to take pics of the mechs all finished & lamp socket wiring etc.

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#110 2 years ago

The apron in this game was really really nice... so I clear coated it. The shooter gauge not so much, it was actually ground on & destroyed underneath by a previous owner plus the art was junk. So I put a spare from a SBM apron set I had in after shooting it black & clearing.

Did some minor touch ups on BG & polished the trim.

& I guess most importantly (to the owner) I got it fired up & all working.

Had to do some adjustment on the orb shooter mech. Biggest issue was with the PF GI. The way it was wired when it came to me was not right. So I just made it right & viola' it all worked.

The Factory SDB lost a resistor after 15 minutes of running, so I fired an Alltek in it. My Daughter & I put about 50 games on it last night. I had never played a Centaur before... I heard it's tough game & can see it has some tough shots, but multiball is quite fun once you get there. I admit I had to do some mechanical switch pushing to hit 5 ball Multi as I'm not that skilled of a player....but man that's fun with that many balls out.

I did a minor polish on the lockdown bar, but did not go for the full mirror polished look. I think works well on this machine.

My phone camera really does'nt like the Comet 4 SMD's in the feature lamps, & makes them appear washed out, but person they look awesome as usual.

Also the Plastics on the game in the pics are the originals. The owner accidentally had the new CPR's sent to his house instead of me, so he is just going to install them after he gets the game.

I have 2 rollover switches I want to adjust & game is done as far as I'm taking it. The owner seems to like fine tuning & I hate fine tuning so I'll leave that up to him. But actually the game is playing fantastic I don't think he will have to do much, just personal preference type stuff.

Was definitely an interesting game to restore. Can't say I'm in any hurry to do another Centaur but at least I can check this one off my list & add it to the memory bank of how it all works etc.

I think the game turned out Beautiful & I think the owner will be very happy when he gets it home & setup & gets to see it in person.

My Goal with these restorations is to test techniques, learn with every one & try to get better with every one & there are definitely areas of improvement in this game over my previous stuff. Nothing major, but these games are always learning tool & I appreciate the owners working with me & allowing me to do them & understanding that I don't o these for a living & I know they always take way longer than anyone anticipates or wants. But I am glad to see that Pinball in general is a hobby where people understand pinball does'nt happen overnight. The results IMO are worth the wait.

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#113 2 years ago

Forgotten coin door pic.

& yes.... next up is to finish Rob's Flash Gordon Cab & Backbox, along with Tom's Backbox. Tom's was originally a Viking BB & had some interior repair work that I had to buy some wood for to finish it.

After that, Cheetah PF is ready to go on the rotisserie & begin re-assembly of it now that the clear has cured.

I have a STARS to do for a Pinsider that was dropped off a couple months ago & I have not had time to disassemble yet & an Eight Ball Deluxe LE as well for a Pinsider that I'm picking up on Friday at Allentown. The EBD LE will be cool as we are not going to do factory Gold on it, going to switch up the colors to make it look better.

So those are the next projects in line.

Somewhere in between all those I will eventually get back on my own Evel Knievel & Bobby Orr Power Play. Those 2 games will be for sale when done, realistically maybe one by end of year & other in the beginning of 2022 or possibly both in 2022. The Orr is getting a cleared CPR PF & full resto, & the EK is getting a cleared Hardtop & full resto.

I believe there is a Skateball & possibly a Quicksilver in the works as well to add to the list later this year.

I will have my players condition Flight 2000 for sale at Allentown in our Flea Market spaces along the back wall. Would love to trade it for a Stingray/Magic or a Trident if anyone has one & would rather have a F2K. Tom & I's space will be full of Bally & Stern early SS parts.

I'm sure someone will buy F2K & possibly use it for a Cheetah build. I debated doing that myself, but just have too many irons in the fire already, I don't need to go down that time consuming road. Maybe if I did'nt have the Bobby Orr, or the EK Or the Playboy I also need to restore for my collection I'd do something with it.

Never a shortage of pins to work on. I usually don't get as much Pin work done in the Summer for obvious reasons of nice weather & longer days to be able to do stuff outside around the house. I just finished building a flight of exterior steps & a landing to the back of my garage to provide better attic access. Partially for pin part storage as you can just never have enough room. That ate up a bunch of lumber & spare weekend days. As well as we just added another 22 tons of stone to our driveway to expand it & it already had 110 tons on it to begin with from the last few years. That took a while to move... moved it all by hand with a shovel & a small cart behind my lawnmower. My neighbors think I'm nuts moving that by hand... but a little hard work never hurt anybody.

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#114 2 years ago

Back at it after a short break after Pinfest.

Made some masking paper dispensers as my masking needs has greatly outgrown the stuff I used to buy/use. So I bought a couple thousand feet of paper to keep up with future cabinet work.

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#115 2 years ago

It's like a Flash Gordon factory in the paint booth right now...... Got Tom's & Rob's back boxes shot in red. Rob's has some black stencil work on it so far, Tom's will be right behind it tonight for black & then onto the Gold.

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#116 2 years ago

One of the next 2 victims in line for restoration..... just started tearing down to see what I've got to work with. Rear of cabinet is pretty rough, but other than that, I like it. We are not going to go with original paint scheme on this one as the overwhelming amounts of gold are tacky. Final color scheme is to be determined, but whatever we do I'm sure it will look better than Bally's red on gold look.

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#119 2 years ago

Gold on Rob's, Black on Tom's.....

Minor touch ups to do as usual, but overall looking pretty spiffy. Clear next week will make it pop.

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#120 2 years ago

Cheetah CPR PF got a coat of grey on the backside & will be ready to go on the rotisserie tonight.

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#121 2 years ago

Starting to re-populate Cheetah CPR PF. As usual most of the dimple locations are off by a decent amount, so I just mark them where they need to go & drill there.

I'm not going to use the 40 year old Stern lamp holders for the main bonus countdown & the scoring "card" area, just doing new individual sockets instead.

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#124 2 years ago

Sockets are'nt quiet done yet, I ran out of flush mount ones last night as well as time. There are at least I think 4-5 staple sockets that have not been put on yet as well as at least 1 if not 2 flush mounts in those pics.

I'll get a count here when I work on it again.

#126 2 years ago

Minor progress on Cheetah PF. Got most, but not all of the ground braid ran.

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#127 2 years ago

Both FG Backboxes are now fully painted & ready for clear.

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#128 2 years ago

Cheetah wiring harness ultrasonic cleaned & the basic wiring layout getting setup. Have not addressed any switches etc yet, & half the zip ties still need replaced.... so don't look too close but it's gotta start somewhere.

Normally I would have the mechs on before I do the harness, but I did'nt take the greatest pics of this PF underside when I took them a couple years ago & so doing it this way will allow me to make sure the harness is all laid out correctly on the PF & not have to worry about the mechs being in the way etc.

These Sterns have so much extra wire & these things look like a rats nest from the factory... tried my best to clean things up a bit routing wise.

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#130 2 years ago

Little more Cheetah progress, still waiting on parts for the drops & pops & slings, flippers etc.

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#136 2 years ago

You can buy those nylon cable clamps at many vendors...... but my personal favorite is the local big box store.....

Our local one stocks 1/4", 3/8", 1/2", 5/8", 3/4" & 1"

These are the 1/4" version:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-12-Pack-Plastic-Full-Clamp/3013247

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#137 2 years ago

EBD LE PF got de-populated, sanded & ready for clear before Hardtop installation.

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#138 2 years ago

Cabinet got sanded & repairs have began.......

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#139 2 years ago

This one has been sitting a few months awaiting tear down for restoration.

Pretty decent players machine. Will be nice change of pace from the Flash Gordon/Centaur/Cheetah/EBD LE stuff I have been doing recently. Sooooo much more simplistic.

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#140 2 years ago

PF was pretty decent. Got it stripped, but only to use the components.

This game is getting a new CPR that hopefully is being finished at Ron Kruzman's fairly soon.

Wiring harness on this game weighs 1/3 what the harnesses weigh on the last few games I have worked on. This game is going to be such a refreshing change of pace.

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#144 2 years ago

Well as anyone who knows me know, I get more done in the Winters than Summers & I'm sure the temps will be breaking here soon. Trying to get re-motivated & back into it hardcore for next 5 months or so.

I don't do this stuff for a living, it's an on again off again hobby for me, sometimes I find motivation hard.

Cheetah is moving along, just eats up hours as all these machines do.

Need to get coil wrappers printed for the flipper mechs, get them wired up etc. Have the last 2 drop mechs torn apart right now for rebuild.

Finishing off the 2 FG Cab projects is next up this week.

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#145 2 years ago

The topside has been a time consuming bitch as well. These are not the final rubbers or post caps, they are just there to get measurements for Titans. Hole sizes in the CPR plastics for the standoffs are all over place, some too small & require drilling out, some way too big. Some of the PF metal was missing from this machine when it was bought few years ago as a parts machine so I'm trying to cobble up enough stuff to make it complete.

Just bought wood last night to make new PF rails for it as the originals are trashed.

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#146 2 years ago

Drops

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#148 2 years ago

Got the new wrappers made for the flipper coils, got them wired up. Finished off the 5 target main drop bank with memory & installed it. Still need to go through the actual target switches & get them wired, I'm out of diodes so I ordered 100 more from PBL yesterday. I added a wire loom to underside of target bank so the wires do not have a chance to chafe on the edge of the target bank.

One more target bank to go & some minor stuff up at the top of underside of PF that I can't get to while it's held on the rotisserie & the underside is about done.

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#149 2 years ago

Memory fun. Before & after.

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#150 2 years ago

Started on Rob's Flash Gordon Display board. Torn down & sanded. Will begin repairs to get it a bit nicer prior to paint.

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#154 2 years ago

Rob's FG Backbox got cleared & started installing new flashing. Flashing is not done yet, still have to do the back corners tonight, but this is a good start.

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#155 2 years ago

Started on my EK PF. This was on the back burner all Summer, getting back on it this fall. Hope to have it avail for sale (complete game resto) maybe for Christmas time. This PF got all new inserts prior to sanding for the HT, so they will be bright & vibrant colors & not yellowed as the originals were. All new braid, lamp sockets, standup targets etc. Pretty much how I do all the games now.

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#157 2 years ago

Tom's FG backbox was actually originally a Viking & was missing some wood. I knew that when I did it, but never got around to replacing the missing wood until this weekend, as I kept forgetting to buy what I needed for repairs. Got everything installed & actually painted red yesterday although I forgot to take pics after paint. It's getting cleared this week.

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#158 2 years ago

Rob's Flashing got finished, new corner pieces made & installed, polished up the lockdown bar etc. This is now waiting on the display board to be finished & reunited with it.

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#160 2 years ago

Got the STARS PF back from Ron Kruzman late last week. Painted underside in grey & began populating the underside with lamp sockets & braid. Built a 3rd Rotisserie, contemplating a 4th, but I think I'll be ok with 3 at a time.

Cheetah will be done & off Rotisserie pretty soon once the PF rails are clearcoated & then EBD LE will go on that one to start populating. Seems like I'm always waiting for parts, so having 3 will allow me to be more productive on other machines while waiting for parts or paint to cure etc etc.

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#161 2 years ago

Little more progress on Evel Knievel. Drop target assy is done other than waiting on Wife to print out some new coil wrappers, & then I can get it installed. Got everything in to do all 5 Pop bumpers (or so I thought) & rebuilt all the mechs & then realized I did'nt have any pop bumper bases........ was sure I had 5 or 6 laying around in my parts stash, but this is what I mean by always waiting for parts. One freaking part can hold up much progress. So another Marco order is somewhere in between South Carolina & Pennsylvania.

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#163 2 years ago

Little more braid & few more sockets on Stars. Still have couple left to go.

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#164 2 years ago

Evel Knievel Drop target done & installed. Looks little better than what I started with.....

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#166 2 years ago

That Stars looks great.

Tom's FG Backbox got clear coated with some other stuff this weekend. Now it's ready for new flashing.

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#167 2 years ago

Cheetah rails got cleared as well. These are new oak rails that I ripped & cut, painted & cleared.

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#168 2 years ago

Got some topside stuff done on EK & JUST started installing the harness. I went with Blue faceted posts as I think the original white posts look awful. Still need to get some decals for the dead pops & few other small things, but it's coming along. Going to make new oak rails for this one as well. Will probably make rails for every machine going forward.

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#169 2 years ago

Re-re-cleared this Sorcerer PF for Tim. This Mirco just will not stop shifting the inserts. I had cleared this a while back because of shifting inserts on the original clear form Mirco.... & now it's been sitting for couple more months & they are shifting again, so I put 4 more coats of clear on it & we will wait some more to see if this thing is finally ready to settle.

I also put another coat of clear on the EBD LE PF as I felt it could use another coat before the hardtop. So it's been sanded & is outgassing, I'll clean out the holes etc in a week or so & then paint the back & install hardtop on it. I should have either Cheetah or EK ready to come off of a rotisserie by time it is ready to go on one.

Installed some more extra lighting above my 2 new rotisseries over the weekend as well as made a new "hatch cover" for my exhaust fan in the paint booth, so those extra tasks exhausted my weekend.

Plan on sanding Rob's FG display board tonight & get that ready for paint. Got another load of staple sockets in for it to start rewiring it this week.

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#170 2 years ago

Also, that Sorcerer has not been sanded or leveled. Those pics are just right out of the booth yesterday morning.

#173 2 years ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

You do some beautiful work!

Highly appreciate that. I'm new to the hobby (relatively speaking, 5 years is new) But I've just been working on improving my skills & upgrading equipment as I go along.

New rails on Cheetah. Can't install the tops until it's off the rotisserie. Still need to get the Titan rubbers for this & maybe make some new wire forms, but it's getting close.

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#175 2 years ago

Rob's display board got painted & will begin with new braid & lamp sockets this weekend.

Tom's Backbox got flashing started last night. Still need to do the upper piece as well as the right rear corner, ran out of time last night. His board holders were in insanely nice shape for 41 years old, so I left them natural & did not polish them.

Again, this was a Viking backbox originally & the board holder locations as well as all the ground strap holes etc in the flashing are all different than a Flash Gordon, but I got it all where it needs to be. Only the Solenoid Driver board holders were in same location as the Viking.

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#176 2 years ago
Quoted from gdonovan:

Question: you were working on a Centaur, any chance you have a picture of what the ball gate mech for the trough looks like from the top? Plenty of pictures from the bottom to be found, none from the top though.
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Gary, this is only two pics I have of that mech. None from direct underneath, but the side pic might show you what you are looking for. I assume you want to see the height & the difference in height from front to back. Wish I had better pic, but that's what I've got.

On a Side note.... many many years ago I used to be into 2.2/2.5 Turbo Mopars. I had a Turbo 1 '85 Lebaron ragtop that I built up & then a Turbo 2 '89 Lebaron that went similar direction. Ported head, cam, MP injectors etc. After those cars I went onto Mopar Muscle cars, but some of my earliest days were working on that stuff. I remember seeing you on the turbo forums way back in the day, obviously you were kind of a legend in that 4 cyl Mopar Turbo arena. Funny how many people I see on Pinside are both car & pin guys.

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#179 2 years ago

Ahh I see why you need the bottom side now. Yeah, sorry no pics of what that gate assy looks like from underside.

#182 2 years ago

Rob's display board.... new braid, sockets, looms, polished screws, zip ties, tidied up the wiring a bit. Still have to mount the Aux lamp driver board & few other things, but it's getting there.

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#184 2 years ago

Tom's backbox flashing is finished other than the glass lockdown bar, I don't have the lock so I can't install it.

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#186 2 years ago

Rob's Flash Gordon display board just about done. Just waiting on finishing the display holders.

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#187 2 years ago

Rob's Display board in place....

Rob's cabinet in red. Will begin with stencils tonight.

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#188 2 years ago

More progress on Evel Knievel Playfield wiring. Not done, but getting there slowly but surely.

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#189 2 years ago

EK Display board got front side repaired & painted.

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#191 2 years ago

EK Cabinet getting closer.

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#194 2 years ago

Started on the lamp sockets on the Evel Knievel display board.

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#195 2 years ago

Tom dropped off his Flash Gordon display board for Resto after seeing how Rob's came out. Got it stripped & sanded. This thing had really rough grain & a lot of knots in the wood on the back side. I'm filling all the knots in to make it nice & smooth before paint.

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#196 2 years ago

George Costanza's er..... I mean Rob's cabinet getting some black......

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#198 2 years ago

Rob's cab is now black on both sides & front. Forgot to take pic of front yesterday. Gold stripes going on tonight.

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#199 2 years ago

Evel Knievel display board wiring is done.

Tom's FG Display board got repairs & is now in primer. Tom's FG Wiring got ultra sonic cleaned over the weekend.

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#201 2 years ago

I seem to be on a display board kick lately, so figured I'd work on the one for STARS while I'm at it.

Some D bag took a grinder & opened up the outside edge of most of the front socket holes I assume to give them more access for getting to the bulbs with their fingers.... So that will all have to be fixed.

The last Stars I restored had a nice wood display board, this one has cheap particle board. Interesting to see the variations of build even on same game.

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#202 2 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

You may be keeping the 4" zip tie factory in business

I do like my zip ties LOL. Just bought 2 more bags last week. I actually buy bags of 800 from Lowes. They used to be like $13 a bag which was cheapest I could find them for anywhere, the other day they were almost $20. You can find cheaper ones elsewhere but I've found over the years you get what you pay for on zip ties. The ultra cheap ones sometimes just rip apart when being pulled tight. These ones I will get 800 good ones out of a bag of 800. The cheap ones about 1/3 of them will be useless.

#203 2 years ago

Got the STARS cabinet sanded down & bottom removed. This was actually a pretty decent "players" condition game that the owner paid pretty good $ for. Had really nice non faded cab paint etc, but even on a "nice" players game, once you tear into them, the true condition shows through.

Had couple extra large bolt holes bored in the front I assume for some type of coin box lock etc. All sorts of fun stuff to repair. Overall not a bad cabinet to work with, but the wood is a bit soft.

The factory alignment on the rear of the backbox support where it met the back of the cab was a disaster, so I will straighten that out (no pun intended)

Fiberglass resin repairs have commenced.

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#205 2 years ago

Rob's FG getting it's Gold stripes.....

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#208 2 years ago

Rob's side stripes

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#209 2 years ago

And assembled some displays & a new rectifier for my Dracula.

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#211 2 years ago

Rob's FG cab has been touched up & is ready for clear tonight.

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#212 2 years ago

Built up a new rectifier for my Dracula.....

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#213 2 years ago

Putting a HT on a High Speed for Customer of Tom's..... Never saw a Star Rollover that determined to stay in the PF. Luckily I'm fairly good at repairing things... & I was a machinist in a previous life. So I fully filled in the affected area with resin & hand machined out the hole & counterbore that the insert sits on. Just bunch of extra work & frustration to remind me why I don't like Williams games.

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#214 2 years ago

Got the rest of the PF prepped for clear, sanded shooter lane etc.

I found good tool to put in the lamp sockets is old .300 Weatherby shell casings.

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#216 2 years ago

Rob's cab got cleared. Now onto making new bottom for it & beginning re-assembly.

Yes it looks a bit different than when you dropped it off.

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#217 2 years ago

This weekend was High Speed weekend...... Got the Hardtop installed, installed all the mechs back on the bottom on Saturday & worked on topside Sunday.

Still need to re-paint the spinners & some other small odds & ends but it's fairly close. The Ramps should'nt take too long to install & little bit of lamp wiring left.

This game really needs a new plastic set & few other things but that stuff is out of my hands, I'm not dealing direct with customer on this one, so they can work on upgrading feature lights & plastics in future. I was just contracted to install Hardtop & polish up the topside. I probably have already installed more new parts than I should have, but it's tough for me to install damaged old components onto a fresh HT. I have to make the thing look pretty respectable if I'm going to put my name on it, even if that means eating into labor profits here & there.

Amazing how good the inserts came out on this one. This PF had really nasty deeply scored inserts in places. Sanded with 220/320/800/1500/2000 & then cleared them. Look like glass sitting underneath the HT.

Just put in a Marco order for some more small stuff to finish this one off this week.

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#218 2 years ago

Hope to have HS finished up tonight.

Like I said before, it needs new plastics desperately & new pop caps etc. But That's simple stuff owners can do down the road when they want to sink more $ into it.

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#220 2 years ago
Quoted from bigguybbr:

That hardtop looks great. Is that one of the outside edge products?

Yes, it's an Outside Edge Hardtop. It looks great, fit was pretty darn good & I'm sure the fitment issues were more to do with the PF variations from Williams rather than the HT. These Williams games are absolute JUNK in my opinion. The build quality & engineering of how stuff was made is pathetic compared to older Pinball machines. & I'm not even talking about their over complicated wiring.... I'm talking about simple design stuff like the plastics, how the ball guides are mounted to the PF etc.

Everything about this game just feels "Chincy" & like it can fall apart at any moment. Screws they used here & there are woefully inadequate, wood is all soft etc. Diode manufacturers in Chicago back the day must have loved Williams.

I will never work on another one of these era Williams games again. (Other than I have to put lamp sockets & ground braid on the Mirco Sorcerer I clear coated for a Friend & after that, he is on his own for re-assembling it)

Other people can have fun working on this crap. I'll go back to my Early Solid States & be happy.

Took this one as far as I'm going to last night & It's ready for pickup. Turned out pretty nice for what it is, & I'm sure owner will enjoy it, I guess that's all that really matters. Williams Games are damn fun, Sorcerer is actually one of my Favorite games from the '80s to play, but I will never like their design flaws.

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#222 2 years ago

Back to some more normal stuff.......

Parts trickling in for STARS & moving along with populating PF. Lot's of hole drilling & polishing.

I never really noticed the knot in the wood in the shooter lane on this PF until this weekend. Some people may hate the look of that, but I actually really like it, it gives the wood a lot of Character. I also collect Weatherby hunting rifles (Hence my username, WeatherbyMAG = Weatherby Magnum) & the stocks on those are mostly walnut, but also some have custom Maple stocks & the woodgrain & sometime knots in the wood can increase the value to the gun due to the increased character/individualization of the wood.

& Yesterday I bought Maple plywood to make new bottoms for Rob's FG & My EK. Similar deal, I went through & picked out wood with a lot of pretty grain, so that it will look better when cleared.

Tom graciously dropped off his router & some hole saws over the weekend so I can make the speaker mount for the FG. That should be tonight's project.

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#224 2 years ago

Rob's Flash Gordon.

Handmade maple bottom. I chamfered the speaker holes for his Pinsound speakers, if anyone is wondering why the top of the speaker holes are routered.

I did not stain it, I did some testing with Minwax gloss spar urethane that I used on knotty pine paneling in my house on some scraps before I finished the bottom & it gave the maple a nice color to it & helped give the grain more definition. It's not too light & it's not too dark, I think looks just right IMO. It's glossy to match the cab, but it's not so glossy like a sheet of glass. I'm pretty darn happy with it.

This is the 1st new bottom I have made for any of the games I have restored, so I'm working on my techniques etc. But I think this came out very nice. I will talk to Rob to see if he wants a coin box support made & installed, but I think it looks cleaner without that & I doubt anyone is ever going to put a coin box in this game ever again. Also I am not planning on putting any support "triangles" of wood blocks in the corners, as this bottom was built way stronger than the factory job that had supports glued in. Again, I think it just looks so much cleaner of an installation without them, that they don't need to be there.

The Cab should get populated this weekend.

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#226 2 years ago

Stars PF getting wiring populated.

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#227 2 years ago

Making a new Maple tilt board for Rob's FG as well to match the bottom panel. Could'nt put an old flakeboard tilt board in this cabinet.

I almost forgot I had removed the original PF guides/holders, so I had to make a new set of them. Still need to clear them before installing as well.

But it's looking fairly spiffy.

It needs a new rectifier.. I noticed multiple burn marks underneath the original & it has a bunch of damaged diodes. I wouldn't put that thing back into my worst enemies Pinball Machine, just a fire waiting to happen. So I'll get a new one ordered for it.

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#232 2 years ago

Evel Knievel getting closer

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#233 2 years ago

Stars getting closer

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#234 2 years ago

Tom's FG got the Oak bottom panel he made installed.

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#235 2 years ago

Working through the target banks on STARS, & finishing up the wiring.

Flipper rebuild parts should be here this week from PBL.

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#236 2 years ago

Made a new Maple tilt board for Rob's FG to match the bottom. Game was missing tilt bob when I got it, I'll pirate one from one of my other games for now to get it finished.

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#238 2 years ago

Got Rob's rectifier installed

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#239 2 years ago

Made new oak rails for Stars & Evel Knievel.....

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#240 2 years ago

Got drop targets done & flippers rebuilt on Stars.

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#241 2 years ago

My EK PF getting little closer. New Oak rails installed.... Just down to spinners & some decals for the dead pops. The Upper rail & arch stuff has to wait until it comes off the rotisserie to be installed.

The Flippers are not aligned yet, figure I'll do that after the Blue Titan Rubbers come in for them.

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#242 2 years ago

Freshened up Rob's coin door. Ultrasonic cleaned the wiring, new lamp holders, polished the coin entry's, new diodes on switches etc.

I need to get new coin entry plates for it as the originals are pretty scratched up, but from a distance look ok.

Coin doors are my least favorite part of restoring a pinball machine. Very time consuming for all they are, just to make them look nice.

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#246 2 years ago

EK is now white...... will let cure for 48 hours & begin stenciling Thursday night.

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#247 2 years ago

EK is off the rotisserie so I can finish up the ends that you can't get to on a traditional rotisserie.

Pretty much just down to the Apron, dead pop bumper cap decals & flipper rubber & alignment at this point.

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#248 2 years ago

While I'm waiting on finishing the painting on the EK cabinet, started working on stuff to go inside the cabinet..... New maple tilt/chime board. & Began restoring the chimes.

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#250 2 years ago

Since EK is off of one of my 3 Rotisseries, EBD LE is ready to go on. Installed the Hard Top (best fitment of any to date) & gave the bottom side a fresh coat of grey.

Populating will commence this week.

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#251 2 years ago

Finished up the cabinet wiring on Rob's FG. New power cord, wired in the speakers etc.

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#252 2 years ago

Backbox got installed..... Comet 2 SMD Warm's in the GI. New Aux LD installed (still need to wire it & the LD up for LED power)

I don't have the Flasher unit for this game, I think Rob still has it up in NY.

Trying to locate some Red LED 7 digit displays for it.

Will clean up the wire routing in the backbox once the PF is installed & see how best to route everything the cleanest.

Also have new switch setting instruction cards etc to install in backbox sometime.

But other than that, this one is about as far as I'm taking it. Tom is restoring the PF on this one, so when it is done we will marry the 2 together & finish it off.

Overall this machine is the nicest restoration I have done to date, & yet I still feel there are things I could do better in the future. I'll use tips/techniques I have learned on this one that I will apply to future machines to make them even better. Always a learning experience with every one you do.

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#254 2 years ago

Starting on populating the EBD LE. I actually think I'm going to install lamp sockets & wire them in place of the original 3 piece lamp boards. Have not set my self of that 100% yet, but I think that's the route I'm going to go for a variety of reasons. Will make a final decision over the weekend I suppose. I'm already obviously changing out all the 555 style plastic junky lamp sockets for 44/47 bayonet styles on the rest of the PF. I did same thing on the owners Centaur 2 a while back.

Will try to get a lot of the mechs rebuilt this weekend. Not looking forward to the massive 7 bank drop target assy with memory & built in standup targets as well. That sucker is going to take a "few" hours to make nice.

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#255 2 years ago

More EBD fun over the weekend. The original Bally "ground"/power braid routing around the right rollover switches was an absolute disaster requiring about 4 feet of braid to run up & over to power one GI socket.... so I eliminated that crap & routed a pair of color keyed wires to it. Made few other minor changes to the braid routing at top of PF as well just to simplify/clean up the look of the PF. These PF's are busy enough, they don't need added complexity that does not need to be there. Any time I can do things better than the factory did them, I'm going to do it. I'm not a 100% stickler for originality.

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#256 2 years ago

Tom's Flash Gordon Display board.... about 50% completed with new sockets & braid. These things eat up the solder.

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#257 2 years ago

Tom's FG display board finished.

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#258 2 years ago

Posts came in for the EBD, as well as some other parts. Continuing along with it.

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#260 2 years ago

On EBD Figured I'd start with the smallest target first & work my way up......

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#261 2 years ago

On to the next one....

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#263 2 years ago

Got Rob's FG PF supports cleared & installed.

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#264 2 years ago

Tore the Stars Back Box down to begin repairs on it. Found this build logo underneath the flashing behind the boards. I think I recall seeing a similar stamp on another one I did a while back, but still neat piece of history. Quick google search indicated the Company went under around 1985.

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#265 2 years ago

Making headway on EBD LE.

The 3 main feature lamp holders or as I call them "cards" were all over the place alignment wise, I drilled new holes & moved them to center the bulbs up with the inserts much better than they were from factory. The one was off by as much as 1/2"

Pay no attention to the main flipper units, as they are just there for fitment/alignment of the cards. They still need to be polished & rebuilt.

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#269 2 years ago

Installed the new oak rails on Stars, Titan flipper rubbers.

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#270 2 years ago

Started installing the harness on EBD LE, shortening wires, cleaning up the routing etc. Added some wire looms around the pop bumpers especially where Bally had none. Risking the loom rubbing into the pop rings.

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#271 2 years ago

Been working on Stars & EBD Cabinets & Back Boxes lately, doing all the body work/repairs, very time consuming.

Speaking of time consuming........ almost have the 7 target drop assy for EBD LE done. All new diodes, caps, targets, wiring on the backside. I wired it a little different than Bally did due to the new standup targets having different lug placement for the switch wiring compared to the factory standup targets. Now onto the memory coil assy.

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#273 2 years ago

EK Backbox in final primer..... light sanding withy 220 & it will be ready for paint.

A LOT of work in this piece.... it was in really bad condition. Lot's of fiberglass resin, & tiger hair. Lots of bondo filling in woodgrain imperfections.

Had to make 5 new pieces of wood for the inside of it as well.

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#274 2 years ago

EBD LE is getting closer to ready for color.

This one did'nt look too bad when it came in, but after sanding off all the God awful gold (Thanks Bally), the entire front was heavily planked. So that took a fair amount of resin work to try to lock that wood planking up as best I can to prevent it from moving too much in future with humidity changes.

Paint on this one took 3X as long as normal to sand off, Gold & black love to clog sandpaper & this one had plenty of both. The gold would clog 80 grit without hesitation. So this one got hit with 80, 120, 220.

Had/has a lot of grain in the wood. Can only get so much out by sanding, rest has to be filled in with primer or filler, or usually a combo of both.

The MDF on the back was in very poor condition, took a lot of resin to seal everything to keep it from moving. Now just need to final smooth out the MDF & get it ready for color.

We are switching up the color scheme on this game from original, so It's going to have a base coat of black instead of gold, so the cab has to be in pretty nice shape with a black base.

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#275 2 years ago

You could really see the wood grain issues in the last 2 pics, here is a closeup of it.

This will get sanded down & skim coat of filler covering all exposed wood grain. Will do the same thing to fill in the misc "pin holes" in the MDF on the rear.... after that, one more coat of primer & should be about ready for color.

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#276 2 years ago

Stars..... softest cabinet wood material I have ever worked with. Very comparable to balsa wood..... This cabinet with no bottom weighs next to nothing & standing it on end, just under it's own weight, twice I had indentations left in the rear panel from debris that was in my towel I had on my dolly. After the second time this happened I finally figured out where these new depression marks were coming from.

I usually don't post pics of them "naked" like this, but you can see multiple different types of filler etc on this one as well.

I put what I hope to be the final coat of primer on it last night. give that a few days to setup. This is'nt a car made out of steel where I would sand within hours. I like the wood to have time to adapt/breathe with the new fresh primer before I do final sand.

My Goal is to have the EBD LE Cab, This Stars Cab & the EK Backbox all ready to paint this weekend. I will then clean the paintbooth before painting all 3. It needs cleaned badly, & I wanted to wait until these 3 are ready.

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#277 1 year ago

EK Backbox painted....

I made new wood "triangles" for the inside as well as new upper piece where the operator instruction cards usually go. This BB was in really bad shape, lot of work to get to this point. Now I can begin stenciling this week.

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#278 1 year ago

Stars looks like a giant blueberry finally.

I got the Stars backbox in primer as well over the weekend. I had to fiberglass resin the entire backside of the BB as the wood was in such bad shape from moisture expose in the past. But it's coming along. Another week or so & it should be blue as well.

This one is getting a cleared maple bottom as well as a new maple tilt board.

EBD LE Cab just about ready to paint black. hopefully this upcoming weekend if not before Pinfest. We'll see how much I can get done this week. It's just down to very minor woodgrain work.

Evel Knievel Cab is next to Stars.... I've been putting off Stenciling it for too long. Hopefully soon.

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#279 1 year ago

EK Starting to get some color.

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#280 1 year ago

EK getting some color

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#281 1 year ago

Stars Plastics, don't mind the dust.

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#282 1 year ago

Stars backbox, not quite ready for paint yet, but definitely a lot closer than when I started. Minor touch ups from here.

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#283 1 year ago

Stars display board also getting primer. This one had a lot of lamp socket holes that were all jacked up, so repaired all of that mess.

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#284 1 year ago

Cheetah coin door restoration in process.

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#285 1 year ago

And EBD LE is in final primer. Black paint has been purchased & will be in color this week finally.

I think Pinfest was the rejuvenation that I needed to get back at this stuff full time. Bought some great wall art for my main assembly room & some spare parts, can never have too many extra parts when restoring these games.

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#286 1 year ago

2nd Side of EK in Red

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#287 1 year ago

About 2/3 of Cheetah Coin door parts, cleaned/polished/painted etc.

I went through my stash of 15 or so chrome Stern coin entry plates & found the nicest condition triple entry plate I had for it. Most Sterns were double entry, so I don't have a ton of triples.

Bally Coin doors typically take me 8-10 hours to do from start to finish, I suspect this Stern will be similar by time all is said & done.

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#288 1 year ago

Stars in White. The Orange on these is what really makes this game pop, so couple more days & we'll be there.

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#290 1 year ago

Looks even more amazing in Orange.

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#291 1 year ago

EK Backbox now ready for minor touch ups & clear.

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#292 1 year ago

Making progress on the Cheetah coin door in between painting projects.

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#293 1 year ago

Stars inching closer to clearcoat.

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#294 1 year ago

EBD LE Backbox was not in great shape....... although after sanding the hell out of it, it's coming along. The rear of these is not actually flush from the factory, but the edges that stuck out were in such bad condition I just made it all flush, I think that looks 10X better than factory anyhow. I prefer flush backboxes.

This one needs some minor repair on the inside, & some minor structural repair to solidify it, but overall I'm way happier with this thing than I was before I sanded it.

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#295 1 year ago

The part the backbox is going to sit on got painted finally. We are not doing the factory Gold base on this EBD LE as that is hideous looking. Mixing up the color scheme a bit for better appearance.

Now onto coming up with proper Maroon color to match the backglass art.

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#296 1 year ago

EK Cab is now fully painted including the backbox support & ready for minor touch ups & then clear.

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#297 1 year ago

Stars got rest of the cab finished up & Stars cab & EK Backbox got cleared last night.

EK Cab getting clear tonight.

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#299 1 year ago
Quoted from bigguybbr:

Gorgeous. I keep peeping on that Trident back glass that you have in the background. Looks nicer than the one I’ve got on mine.

It's the only NOS one I've come across. I used to have 2 Tridents & I searched forever to find best Backglass I could for my good one. Paid a lot for it on ebay & it was nicest one I had seen before I found this NOS one. It's not perfect, but by far best I have come across in 5+ years of looking. Now I just need to find a machine for it LOL.

#300 1 year ago

All new flashing for the EK backbox. Not fully done yet, but getting close.

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#301 1 year ago

EBD LE Owner threw me little curveball last week. We were originally going to do Maroon "panels" to replace the original Black areas on EBD LE, but he decided to simplify the look of the game & just go with the lettering & flourishes & no 3rd color.

I took these pics early in day on Saturday & too much sunlight coming through window, (normally I take pics at night) the Gold in person is a darker more elegant gold. My cell phone makes it look washed out yellowish/greenish gold. I used same shade as I used on Flash Gordon, & it showed up ok on camera on FG at night, so I'm blaming it on the lighting. You can see how much light there was in the room in the background of the pics.

It looks good in person. Might shoot the left side tonight.

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#302 1 year ago

Starting on some basic cabinet populating on Stars while I make a new Maple bottom for it.

& Yes the shooter rod plate is crooked.... it was that way from factory, anyone who thinks these games were not mass produced sloppy junk (especially Sterns) is fooling themselves. I may straighten it when I do the ground braid, or I might leave it as a character mark.

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#303 1 year ago

Stars is about ready for it's new bottom.

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#304 1 year ago

EK in clear. New bottom has been cut & is awaiting 2nd coat of clear urethane.

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#305 1 year ago

EBD LE Gold left side. I'll give it a day or 2, & then hit the front & it's ready for clear. Phone camera still is'nt liking picking up that shade of Gold.

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#307 1 year ago

New Maple bottom for Stars. Looks a little barren in there right now, but once I get the braid in, the chime box, the wiring & hold added for the on/off switch etc, it will fill in nicely.

These pics are another good example of camera distorting colors on same piece. Same camera, same lighting & different colors. Actual color lies somewhere in between.

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#310 1 year ago

New leg bolts/cabinet protectors, & legs for Stars. Legs still need painted.... finding Rustoleum Hammered Silver paint is'nt as easy as it used to be pre covid.

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#311 1 year ago

EK Got new legs/bolts/protectors/Maple bottom/Maple tilt board/flipper switches, shooter bushing, buttons & housings, power cord, ground braid, wiring harness ultrasonic cleaned & re-zip tied. Chime units fully restored, new coil wrappers etc.

Close up of some of the woodgrain that Maple is famous for. Shame not too many people will ever see inside the machine.

Also as a side note.... big shout out to Pinball Life. I ordered 3 sets of legs, 3 sets of siderails & bunch of other misc parts for these 3 machines last week. Shipping was pretty high, but it is what it is, I ship UPS Worldship at work every day, so I know how the rates go. (up every day it seems) This was a lot of weight in 2 different boxes, so I understood the shipping involved. Out of the blue a few days after this stuff shipped I got a refund notice in my email.... The actual shipping was less than calculated at checkout & they refunded me $50. I was ok paying the rate charged, but that is some great customer service, refunding the overage. Not too many businesses would do that anymore. I order parts for my restorations from all 3 of the "big" suppliers & by far that is a great move & will definitely push me toward using PBL even more than I already do in the future.

I had a not so great experience on my last PBR order that I won't go into, so this was a very welcomed change.

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#312 1 year ago

Side rails on Stars

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#313 1 year ago

Side rails & some trim on EK

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#314 1 year ago

No one makes rails for Rapid fire style cabinet..... so you have to modify, good thing I'm handy with a cutoff wheel..

These are just laying on the cab so owner can see what it would look like with stainless rails.

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#316 1 year ago

Stars Backbox now Blue......

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#317 1 year ago

EBD LE Got front paint finished & Backbox bodywork is fully done & ready for primer.

Will be clearing the EBD Cab this week prior to re-assembly.

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#318 1 year ago

EK going to be finished in week or so......

Backbox Front trim is ready for paint & clear.

Apron painted & new decals.

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#319 1 year ago

Backbox mounted on EK, new rectifier etc.

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#320 1 year ago

EK Inside cab just about finished up.

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#322 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Can you share how you redo the bottoms of those cabs? I always see how you paint the cabs without the bottom but then you have a bottom the next pic.

I'll take a pic tonight of how I prep the cabinet for a new bottom. I was sure I would find a decent pic on my phone, but could'nt find one.

It's really all a bout cab prep. Once the cab is setup correctly, the rest is just cutting a piece of Maple 1/4" plywood on the table saw, I put 2 coats of clear gloss spar urethane on the maple (after a light sand with 220) Then the bottom gets screwed up into the main cab using 5/8" long #6 screws around the perimeter & along the side to side middle supports. & then to clean it up a bit I install 1/4" screen molding around the outer edges to hide the screws around the perimeter & just give it a slightly cleaner appearance. The screen mold gets nailed down with small flat head brad nails.

But with the way I cut out the cab in the beginning, the cut is deep enough that the depth of the bottom & screen molding is shallower than the cab edges, so it's all hidden from the sides & font etc.

Usually I leave the factory side to side wood supports, but in like the case of the Stars, they were in bad shape, so those are new in that machine. The EK, those are original side to side middle supports.

I'm never going to claim the bottoms of my machines are greatest looking thing in world. No one should ever really see the bottom, so I don't spend much, if any time really worrying about how it looks down there. I concentrate on stuff people see when game is setup.

#323 1 year ago

This is my Meteor/Star Gazer conversion project, but it gives an idea of how I cut out the factory bottom & get it prepped for a new maple piece.

The factory machined a slot in each side, the rear & front for the bottom to fit into & then the sides & end pieces are all put together with the bottom in place, basically tongue & groove.

But I just remove the bottom & then remove all the remaining wood that would have been under the "groove" slot to hold the original bottom in place. It leaves a very nice, aprox 5/8" deep "shelf" for the bottom to sit on & give me material to screw up into sides & rear/front of the cabinet. & then like I said I just put wooden screen molding around the edges to hide the screws.

I hand cut this wood out & make sure everything is flat & straight with a special dremel bit. takes about 45 minutes to an hour remove factory bottom & trim the cab up in preparation for the new bottom. I typically fill in any imperfections & prime as well.

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#325 1 year ago

Stars backbox getting color.

New Maple tilt board, new power cord etc. Not finished obviously, but can see the general layout of how things will look.

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#326 1 year ago

New BG came in for EK.

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#327 1 year ago

Stars BB continuing on toward clear.

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#328 1 year ago

Ground braid almost done on Stars. Will need couple more finishing touches when I actually install the side rail & front trim ground wires this weekend, but overall looking pretty decent. I did end up straightening the factory crooked shooter bracket, I guess I'm too anal in the end to let that slide.

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#329 1 year ago

Pulled the display board out of Cheetah to finish installing the wiring harness on it.

Coin door for EK in million pieces.

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#330 1 year ago

Cleaned up & painted the board holders on Cheetah, new standoffs installed.

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#331 1 year ago

Stars..... apron stripped to bare metal & painted. Stars Board holders cleaned & painted along with some EK coin door parts.

Stars Chime box unit in process.

Stars Backbox, EBD Cab & EK Backbox Trim all sitting in the paint booth awaiting clear, which will probably be tomorrow night.

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#332 1 year ago

EK Display board all wired up, new Molex housings, re-pinned all wiring, ultrasonic cleaned wiring etc.

BIG thanks to Wayne from Pinitech, I assembled these displays a while ago & had an issue with one if them with missing bottom segments on the #'s. Turns out it was just a bad solder trace, but it "looked" good. Without his help diagnosing it, I would have never found it.

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#334 1 year ago

Stars backbox cleared... (I know not too exciting)

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#335 1 year ago

Stars had to get a new tilt bob, as original was junk. Rebuilt chimes, just waiting on 2 more grommets to install the 4th bar. Stern used different grommets than Bally. I had Bally grommets, but did'nt have any that would fit Stern.

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#336 1 year ago

I realized the other day that I never posted pics of the finished ground wires etc in Stars. So here they are.....

This cab other than the coin door & the one chime bar is pretty much done.

I HATE restoring coin doors, but this one & EBD LE are next up on the block to be done.

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#337 1 year ago

EBD cleared & begun re-populating.

Legs will be painted black with gold bolts, but for now they are just new Raw Bally legs to align the leg brackets etc.

Waiting on a new shooter rod bushing as well, that's the old factory unit in there just to give it roper spacing for re-assembly.

This game is a little bit more of a "budget" restoration, hence why no new bottom in this one. That's the original tilt board that I sanded down with 220 to give it some new life.

Just ordered a new speaker for this this morning as well. Need to restore the transformer....

Also need to get the wiring through the Ultrasonic cleaner maybe tonight. I always just have to see what I'm in the mood to work on in a given evening. Will either be that or doing new flashing in the Stars backbox.

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#338 1 year ago

Actually..... what I will probably start on tonight is this lovely Coin door from EBD LE. It's amazing how destroyed this stuff can get over course of 40 years or so.

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#339 1 year ago

But if you are willing to give up ten hours of your life you can then have a Bally coin door that looks something like the one I did for EK over the weekend. Not quite done yet, the new coin mechs just arrived today from PBL. Still need the microswitches installed etc. I did a black inner door skin on this one just to see how I liked it. It looks ok, but I think I will go back to a more normal silverish color in the future.

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#340 1 year ago

EK Backbox surround for the hinged backbox got cleared & installed. Not a huge fan of these hinged boxes. Luckily not too many Bally Solid States used them. This is the 3rd EK I have restored all had the hinged box, I know some were made with more traditional box. Don't have any plans to restore any Night Riders (Another game typically found with hinged box), so hopefully my hinged box days are behind me.

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#341 1 year ago

EK is'nt quite ready to fire up yet, just some small stuff left to do. Switch adjustments, flipper adjustments, install the EK dead pop bumper decals, etc. Should be ready to bring to life sometime this week.

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#342 1 year ago

So many machines to work on, so little time.

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#344 1 year ago

Stars flashing in process. Not done, but closer than when I started.

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#345 1 year ago

Got the chime unit finished on Stars as well as the backbox mounted.

Working on restoring the transformer parts now.

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#346 1 year ago

Stars new rectifier all wired up & Transformer & cage freshened up.

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#347 1 year ago

Slowly making progress on the EBD LE Coin door. Does'nt look like much, but this is the basis everything else on a Bally Coin door is built around.

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#348 1 year ago

EBD LE knocker rebuilt, as well as went through the transformer & rectifier parts. New speaker, but not installed yet, maybe tonight. The Wiring harness is all cleaned & ready to install, so that will probably be the next step on this one.

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#349 1 year ago

Stars legs got painted

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#350 1 year ago

Few minor things left to do in EBD cab, ball tilt mech & couple PF supports etc, but overall pretty close to being done.

New power cord, new speaker, new flipper switches, Ultrasonic cleaned the wiring etc.

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#351 1 year ago

Got the side rails modified & installed on EBD LE.

Legs are in the paint booth getting black.

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#353 1 year ago

Been doing a bunch of outdoor work around house lately, but getting back on pin work here this weekend. I did get around to making some new wall art.....

Took a 2x4 sheet of 1/2" Birch plywood & a half set of Stern Viper stencils & made some wall art. I'm planning on doing another one for another area of the shop & going to do a black base with red & blue Stern logo on it. I was going to clear these, but figured that was going a bit too far.

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#355 1 year ago

Getting back at it as the Summer winds down.

Some new shop upgrades...... added a parts washer to go with my ultrasonic cleaner. The Purple Power cleaner I use in the ultrasonic is leaving a residue on wiring that sometimes makes for difficult soldering, so I am going to begin rinsing the harnesses in mineral spirits after ultrasonic cleaning. Plus I needed a parts washer for Automotive stuff I do as well, so that was something I have just been putting off acquiring for a while.

I just had a crappy benchtop bead blaster for last few years & knew I needed bigger & better for quite some time. So I bought a typical Harbor Freight blast cab & then added an Eastwood gun & foot pedal setup, full vacuum reclamation system, upgraded to adjustable air bleed external feed line system, installed a 3000 lumen LED light etc. Blasted the Cheetah apron the other night to break the blasters virginity. Then I did the display holders for EBD LE. So I'll be set for bead blasting for years to come.

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#356 1 year ago

The STARS display board is now fully repaired. If you look back through some original pics you'll see someone had reamed out all the bulb holes for like finger clearance to make bulb changes easier sometime in the past. So that is all repaired with nice new crisp holes.

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