By the time the litigation even got going, maybe even including a DTPA ("Deceptive Trade Practices Act") claim, Stern could remedy the situation by simply completing the code and satisfying the promises made to buyers. No point in any of that.....

This thread is what it should be all about.....if people quit buying these NIB's without code then Stern will have to adjust...

The next question is "do they really care"? Maybe they just don't care about the HUO market and are still focusing on the Ops and pins on location where they simply don't care when the code gets done? If ever? The casual on location player would never know.

In any event, I'd like to buy TWD, if it comes next, but it seems to me all they really have to do is open up some lines of communication and create at least a loose timetable as to when code milestones are going to be completed.....

We all see how its working with JJP now, its first pin, great service, phenomenal communication, interaction, input, output, etc.........and regular code updates (insert "JJP only has one pin in production here and Stern has an excuse blah, blah, blah....").........maybe they should at least attempt that approach, no?

Sums it up about as good as anyone could!

So, 75% huh, well it looks like they are up shit creek then........

It appears the voters have spoken in this poll.......

I guess when they were the self proclaimed "only makers of real pinball machines in the world" they could get away with sticking it up customer's arse's.......take a look around fellas, its a new day and new options.....

This is the smart way to go, especially now with the increased number of Le's and increased prices, there is a good chance you will pay less by waiting as well, especially with the premiums and Le's......

I learned what "patience" really is with Woz! I just picked up Ac/dc almost 2 years after release, so it can be done...

Didn't you also buy a Met Le and then sell it.... And have a ST Le coming?......

Why sell it if you thought it "kicked ass"!

Ahhh, I see, Jimmy Mac was just pointing out the great deals that he personally made on buying and selling these pins Congrats Jimmy!

So are you going to start running a "pinball tout service" now? Trading on these pins is tough business

Is STLE a buy or a sell right now?

281-57 is the surprising vote count against Nib.....

Got to keep reminding myself of that!

Blackberry............

WPT is great and deeper than every other Stern out there aside from TSPP and LOTR, maybe I'm missing some other deep rule pins but if Stern could do one update and get it that right on WPT then I'd take it on every one....

Might just be Jpop....you never know

But you could sell those two to get a 100% all Jpop creation, and have some cash leftover, just sayin IF of course he actually gets these projects done and out the door as you doubt will happen

^^^^^^^^^Because he says so!

And there is a whole lot more than "theories and sketches", you will see soon enough

Yes........there is.............and no, 3 titles will not be done/built by next year, didn't say that, but I know of 2 that will be done/built...............................

Hehe....awful touchy aren't we, but hey, can't "disclose" anything, ain't no heat here brother, you backed out of the wrong pin! You can't rush genius and true artistry........

Well obviously he isn't building, designing, coding, drawing it all himself, yes he does have a "team" that he controls and directs through his vision for the game.........there was a "team" at Bally that he was a part of, and it went very well there with his/team's projects......now he has no restraints or limitations in the creative process. We know all of this because of the weekly blog updates, pictures, stories, etc....anybody that is in or that has seen the progress at Jpop's shop knows, for now though, the naysayers can have some fun with it, that's ok! Already been down that Woz naysayer road

Didn't we go from JJ is a "fraud", he'll be bankrupt soon, he's in the bahamas with everybody's money, "Woz will never ship", blah, blah, blah........now we are down to "look, there is a chip ding in the cabinet right out of the box", "the GI lighting sucks"........oh how things have changed, while it was tumultuous for sure, I never doubted JJP would create a great pin, they did, and I have zero doubts or concerns that Jpop will exceed Woz in most aspects except code......

Getting to see the whole process evolve from our "cult leader" is worth the price of admission itself if you love pinball.........

While I do think Greg believes what he is saying, despite how wrong he is he is just having some fun with it....and me....and I innocently/naturally know how to get these guys riled up, did you see RobT jump out of his chair with my "because he said so" comment....hehehe Good fun........

I like to listen to all sides, including the negative ones, that way we can know and evaluate whether we should have some legitimate concerns or not.......when you know what the facts are and the others are just guessing it can be fun!

I imagine they will/should after the Star Trek Le debacle.........

Maybe its not a "debacle", it remains to be seen, just saying the price increase along with the 799 units and then the VUK issue has left a ton of Le's in distributors inventory, and the momentum, whatever there was, getting blown out of the water at expo with the MMR release, still have seen the laser yet...

After all that, maybe they will be able to eventually sell out, after all 8k seems to be the new normal......

Keep telling yourself that You know I'm just jabbing you