Too late!

Sorry for your dilemma, but you are dealing with a legal matter and have nothing but a vague promise from jack which he probably should have never insinuated to.

If you want something then call jack and ask him for an actual date rather than "a few weeks". I personally think JJP should be smart and wait for whatever legal proceedings occur. It sounds to me like all dollars were between bumper and JJP. Jack would be going WELL above and beyond to give you any games without some sort of legal documentation that the bumper ordeal does not back fire and he also becomes legally obligated to return the 130k.

I think you continually coming on here is NOT getting you much fan fare. You are going about all of this the wrong way. If AUS does not allow you to deal with bumper legally then you unfortunately have a hard pill to swallow and coming on here and making demands is not going to help when technically and legally you are asking someone to go beyond the bounds of their LEGAL contract. I do not know all of the legal contracts but by the sounds of it you should be very thankful for anything you get from Jack and even more patience is required on your behalf.

Playerone > are all impacted buyers signing some sort of legal document stating that they give up all future recourse when JJP delivers 22 games? (not sure if that would even close the books on this legally for him any way)

my understanding is that they plan to sell all of them on the open market so part of the angst is that the market for WOZ is possibly turning down?

Sounds to me like Bumper paid a deposit on a bunch of games and DID NOT actually pay in full for a subset of games so they did not fullfill the obligations of the contract (I have no idea what the actual contract is/was). Huge difference from what you are claiming and how you are trying to paint this!

Some of you sure seem to have a warped sense of reality on the matter.

The way things work in the US (JJP is a US company) >> deposit paid for 77 games. Games are delivered after final payment on all 77 (or whatever the contract called for). If someone is in breach of contract (i.e. Bumper did not pay on schedule to JJP) then the other party is often releaved of obligations (i.e. JJP is free to sell those # of games elsewhere) and intial deposit dollars are to be refunded (or whatever the contract said; maybe forfieted?).

Sounds to me like Jack is being more than fair in the matter. He could still be on the hook to return the deposit money to Bumper, but is opting to still 'sell' 22 games at original dealer cost to your group of people that got screwed by bumper (keep in mind Jack could possibly end up donating these games to you if JJP ends up still being on the hook for the 130k to Bumper or those bumper owes).

What a nice guy! He should just send the 130k back to bumper and be done with this BS. You are entitled to NOTHING from jack or JJP. They have a legal obligation to bumper1 (or whatever the hell they are called).

ANYTHING Jack decides to do for you is putting himself and his company at risk of being out the 130k for those games. Do you get this?

so go take it to Jack and off pinside! If you have not realized by now, popular opinion is that you are NOT helping your cause by continually bashing JJP in this situation>> only 3 weeks after he said to give him a few weeks and he will make things happen. If you can not see that the vast majority of people feel bad for you and the situation yet see the reality of whom owes who quite a bit differently then you need to wake up.

Jack is doing you a HUGE favor by sending you these games. It is quite simple and I am not sure if it is a societal/cultural difference btw OZ and US, but JACK does not owe you shit legally and him doing so is a pretty amazing thing. If I were him I sure would have way less incentive to help you out when you are trying to extort his reaction via blasting his PR.

Do yourself a favor. Take a deep breath, call jack and talk to him on the phone. Ask politely for a timeline of when games will be shipping and see what he says. Then keep it to yourself and give him a little extra leeway >> remember that he does not owe you ANYTHING. He had a legal commitment to bumper and not you >> sorry your laws are so messed up that you have no recourse on Bumper1.
If JJP does not deliver on the timeline he commits to then call him back and ask what is up. If things still are not progressing as promised then think about your next set of possible actions. You will likely quickly realize that you are in a no win situation and bumper is the one that screwed you. Calm yourself down again and call Jack back again to see what is up. It sucks, but blasting JJP over this situation is not doing anyone any help currently.

Your only card to play is that you will try your best to cause a PR nightmare for Jack if he does not deliver. You are playing that card VERY premature and hence leave little incentive for JJP to deliver anything.

I would be doing a whole lot more than raising hell, but i would be doing it with the guy that stole my 9k and not someone further down the line.

It is like putting a down payment on a new truck with the local dealer, he folds and then you go blast ford on the internet and demand your truck. Frankly it is mind boggling to me. Why has bumper not been dealt with legally or otherways?

Well to be more accurate, it would be like paying the down payment for 79 cars and NOT the entirety of 22.

In other words, the manufacturer was expecting 79 sales at a price negotiated based on that total number. They now are being told they have to deliver 22 at that same wholesale price or else.

My point being that the beef is with the original seller and not the manufacturer.

Taking care of games actually paid in full should be priority #1, regardless of where they are located.

JJP should just send the legal representative 130k and be done with all this. I am guessing that unfortunately you will complain if he does that...

Is it bad that the more I see this thread, the more I hope all the Aussies EXCEPT playerone get their WOZ???

I still think you would be better off to start a daily log of events as previously suggested.

Let reality do the talking...
for example
Day 1 > Jack promises pictures of 22 OZ machines being made in a "few weeks"
Day x > been a "few weeks" called JJP, no response
Day x > emailed Jen, told X
Day x > called Jack, did not answer

This will help document the situation and possibly help you. The way you are going about things is NOT helping your cause. Trust me, as a guy that is often very bad at the internet and poor at putting thoughts into text, there are mulitple ways to skin this cat and the vast majority have a much better chance of getting your desired end result compared to what you are currently doing.

sounds to me like there is a resolution at this time.

I would suggest it is best for playerone to request this thread now be locked. He can always open a new one to update on how the legal proceedings are happening on the OZ end and then what happens.

Sounds like there is a clear path forward and any furtehr comments at this time will likely do nothing but hurt both sides.

alternative is to admit you overstepped your boundaries and correct it by being explicitly clear on what the plan is going forward and then make good on that plan.

you mean >> where are ek77 and lowepg and mrgone when you need them.

WOZ haters should be lining up to donate. Granted they will probably want some clarifiaction on what all dontaions will be used for.

I am fully in support of them going after the person that ACTUALLY stole their money, Bumper.

I would happily donate to the cause if that is what was actually going on.

Playerone has had a nice change of tone currently but I still stand by the fact that JJP owes noone but the person that paid them, bumper > or the legal entitiy representing the 79 WOZ debitors. I hope for their needed resolution they are able to get their legal ducks in a row and then JJP can safely and legally give them back their cash.

This whole thing is a mess for everyone involved and yet another blow to JJP, but the witch hunt that this started as was never the right way to go about it.

Very unlikely. Still lots of nice condition HUO and clean LOTR for sale for the same that they would need to sell LOTRve. Unless demand for LOTR magically increases and prices go up anothier 1500 then it does not appear a 5k NIB LOTR will sell all that well.

IMve was able to happen due to the supply/demand of IM.

stop taking it out of context and go back and read it...

arn't you part of the original company that was the start of all this????

Best chances of their success would be for you to extricate yourself from this thread and ANY discussions on the matter.

You may then also have the free time needed to work on the bigger project of extricating your head from your ass.