Quoted from StevenP:

Slander and defamation are civil torts. I would think twice before posting this if I were you. Then again, I'm not you and I apparently think a lot more than you do!

Quoted from iamabearsfan:

I have to agree with the majority on this thread. This doesn't belong on Pinside. Jack owes me a machine too. He is late on his delivery dates. But I sure didn't go starting a thread publicly bashing him. I think your tactic may backfire. Personally I would work directly with JJP and get off of Pinside.
You guys make it sound like your 22 machines are the only machines that haven't been delivered yet. There are others waiting as well.
There clearly were delays in making these machines. Whatever the reasons. I am pretty sure Jack wants to get these done as well.
Please take this issue off of Pinside. I think you are harming your situation more than helping it.

Quoted from StevenP:

Completely different business modes/models at Stern (which is on a regular development-production cycle) and JJP (just released their 1st game and had advance pre-orders to support startup and development of brand-new platform, new factory, vendor/supplier relationships, etc.). And when was the last time that Stern released a game that was actually ready?

Quoted from DreamTR:

You seem to forget JJP pinball exists because they didn't like the way the Stern model was. Somehow this is better? They are essentially bankrolling an item based on pre-orders. I still don't get how easily this slips everyone's mind. Stern takes a bath if the games don't sell. JJP is relying on everyone else.
Not being ready is besides the point. Be thankful there are code updates. Many of the Stern games now rival or beat a lot of the Williams stuff out there.
Wizard of Oz under no circumstances is even in the same breath playability wise as a lot of games these days. It looks great but it is all eye candy. People have different tastes in pins, I understand that, however we run 80+ machines here and Wizard of Oz is probably in the bottom 10 in games played here, and it's on a prominent row. We have had more negative things said about that game than any of our other games. Maybe for some reason you think it is a good way to do business. If so I have a limited edition Ghostbusters pinball coming out in 2017. I require $8500 for this machine and the price will go up accordingly. I do take payments. However what protects you from me taking your money with statutes of limitations of a couple of years? I mean, eventually you'll get your pin, but only when I feel like it after my vacations.
How can anyone be so trustworthy with anyone who has not even completely finished one pin, and is taking pre-orders for another?????? Concentrate on the one game to be up to par and get everything finished, then announce other games..this is not the first company to do this either, and everyone seems to be ok with it still I suppose.

Quoted from vex:

i think you need to read my post again. i was actually supporting your position.