I have to agree with the majority on this thread. This doesn't belong on Pinside. Jack owes me a machine too. He is late on his delivery dates. But I sure didn't go starting a thread publicly bashing him. I think your tactic may backfire. Personally I would work directly with JJP and get off of Pinside.

You guys make it sound like your 22 machines are the only machines that haven't been delivered yet. There are others waiting as well.

There clearly were delays in making these machines. Whatever the reasons. I am pretty sure Jack wants to get these done as well.

Please take this issue off of Pinside. I think you are harming your situation more than helping it.

I am confused. I thought you did connect with JJP and they agreed to make 22 games? And that was within the last month?

Bottom line is he is not singling you guys out in the corresponding delays. It sounds like things are moving again. Hang tight. We all will get our machines. Again, I would advise you to work directly with JJP. If not Jack, try different channels. Doing this publicly really is not wise. I can't say it any other way.

80+ pinball machines? Or are there other things like vids and redemption games?

Thank you for not doing redemption! Those things drive me crazy.....especially as a parent. It is like training the kids for slot machines later in life

I just read this cluster of a thread. One thing people may not realize is that when lawyers get involved, and they clearly are, one often has to change direction.

What may have seemed logical a month or two ago, may not be an option because of legal console. This is not a straight forward situation. It is complex with many stakeholders. If you want to call it back pedaling, so be it. It is not uncommon when lawyers get in the mix.

I cannot tell you how many times in business I have had to change direction due to a legal department getting in the way. Sad but true.

I like the direction this is going and hopefully the affected parties can get some kind of payment. I am not a Jack lover either. There are things I would have done differently. But I do like his product and I am still confident he will deliver all of the WoZ's this year. I am also confident that TH will have a much better rollout. The product is just that good. That is what is saving JJP at this point. If it wasn't, there would have been a run on the bank. But there isn't. Their support and product is second to none. Now they have to produce.

Your assumption here is that the holdup w/JJP has been putting it together. I don't think that was the issue. It was two major pieces.....First being supply chain issues and the second being flawed LCD boards. I am not getting the sense that putting the things together has been the bottleneck.

The best thing JJP can do now is finish building the machines and get them out the door. Make good on the Australia issue and produce. As my boss always said to me, Don't confuse activity with production!

I don't see anything happening in a week with lawyers state side. Not in my experience.

Either way, status and communication is king.

I personally think Jack is going to send out a shitload of games in a short period and this whole thing is going to be put to rest.

As it relates to the pre-pay model? WoZ/TH probably would have never happened without it. Capital for this kind of stuff simply doesn't exist. Sad but true. I for one am ok with it. Moving from a distributor to a manufacturer of arguably one of the most complex pinball machines to ever be built has proven to be a huge challenge for Jack.

I have said it once and I will say it again, supply chain issues can plague any manufacturer. Especially a startup that has not done this before. It is not like he is building a can opener that has 4 or 5 suppliers. He is building a pinball machine! We all know the thousands of parts that need to designed, tested, ordered, delivered, inventoried, re-ordered, etc... This is all new for JJP.

What has haunted Jack was underestimating his suppliers and passing that optimism onto his customers. I work in IT. I take what the programmers tell me it is going to take and multiply it by 3. I do that now because of the experience I have had in that field. I am sure the next time around Jack will not be so optimistic with his estimates.

What Jack does need to improve on is his communication. Even to this hostile group. In my mind it is better to be transparent and communicate what your bottle necks are. Remember folks, he has a bunch of guns working for him. If they were in trouble, those guys would be out of there in a heart beat. To the best of my knowledge only one key guy has left and that kind of turnover should be expected.

Jack.....please get this last batch of LE's out. Otherwise I will be eating these words big time!!!

On another note. This is pinball guys. A hobby. A place where people have a beer and talk about how cool machines are and toys and high scores. All of that perspective has been lost. The spirit of JJP was to make a great machine and I think they and Stern are now going to innovate more than ever.

Let's keep pinball fun!

Sigh......one cannot be optimistic on these boards without this kind of stuff. There are many people that are waiting for their machines. I am one of them.

The same six people continue to bash JJP while they are finally starting to produce again. I hope like hell I am right and this can be all put to rest. He doesn't have that many more to finish. They will get done now that JJP is over a lot of the production issues.

Ignore feature invoked.....sigh.

I started a trend

Seriously. Let's move on. I am confident Jack will knock the games out and get you guys some relief. Character is very hard to fix.

I hope the healing has begun. Pinball is a great hobby with great people. Too much friction lately.

Let's play pinball!

I just want to remind people that anything legal, especially in the U.S. is a cluster. I can't even get a standard lease thru redlining for my business. It has been over a month with redlining back and forth between my attorney and the management's attorney.

Now just imagine you are trying to draft up an international agreement that involves over 20+ entities. In addition, you have to make sure you protect yourself because in reality, the people you are sending the machines to are only getting a fraction of what they paid for. This is not a slam dunk, boiler plate agreement.

The fact that both parties are communicating and work is being done towards the goal is healthy. 5 weeks to me is a rounding error on how long attorneys can take. Can you tell I am frustrated with our legal system here in the U.S. ?

I am very confident this will come to as good as an end as it could have. Still saddens me that a lot of good people did not get what they paid for. To me Karma is a powerful thing. If I was that Bumper guy, I would watch my back. He has a ton of negative Karma points right now.

I am sure Jack will make good. May take a while, but it will work itself out.