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JJP doesn't have your money or your games, they ran out of money a long time ago.......................Now Jack on the other hand is doing fine. He was smart, he had us fools take on all the risk of starting a new company...........What morons we are.

I'm tellin' ya I don't know the guy.

The link of the thread that was locked said something about locking the thread till July 6th and revisiting it then. I can understand the frustration but if you reference a thread that the conclusion of the thread says let's revisit July 6th why not wait till July 6th to revisit?

Did you ask Jack directly before coming on here with guns blazing!?

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He said a "few weeks" , you have said a few weeks means exactly 3 weeks. Don't really want to get into a semantic argument and I have nothing but sympathy for the monetary wrongs that have happened to all of the Bumper purchasers but it certainly seems like your transferring your understandable anger at the Bumper "scoundrels" over to Jack. Now if in the fullness of time after all the variables and time frames are considered either Jack will pocket the money- not ship the machines he has promised too and indeed can be considered a "scoundrel" . If he comes through on the 22 machine shipment then he looks pretty unscoundral like by my eyes.

Agree here, but if he doesn't then there is a problem

Jack has been saying a few weeks for a few years.
It's your fault for believing anything he says.

Please be patient. Jack always comes through in the end.

Damn I cannot believe people are still drinking the Koolaid....

In... Before...

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Good luck with that..

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In!!!!!! Lock it up............

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Fair point I would say .

Dude - your getting obnoxious - pinside ain't jacks forum for anything - pick up the phone or email him. I would not blame him if he ignores you personally the way you come across.

I'm gonna ask this again because I'm confused I guess. If you paid your $$$ to Bumper and they screwed you by pocketing the $$$ and sending some of it to Jack, then what do you expect him to do if there is a lawsuit against Bumper from its creditors. Is Jack holding the $$$ in escrow until the court tells him what to do and how to distribute the funds?

jack stated on pinside he would build games in the next few weeks to ship to oz.

I know if I were Jack I would be very careful. What if he built the games and WAS ordered by the courts to turn the money over to the creditors..., he would be out quite a bit of money. I'm certain there is more going on than what is seen here.

I wonder how long it will take before u get ur account locked.

Lol

You really need to take this up privately with Jack.

I am very sympathetic with your situation, but posting the same thing over and over in multiple threads helps no one.

Exactly......

Oh my God... There are two Jack Guarnieris?!

The luck?

Guys Agree or Disagree

This Bumper Mess is a nightmare, However he is a WOZ Buyer and customer and has just as much rights as people who received or are waiting for games who comment in other threads.

As the man himself said a few weeks thats July 6th, 22 games packed and ready to ship in a week will clear this mess up.

Until then keep flippin

.............And I am in before the LOCK!!!!!

Joe(acejedi)

What is a lock? Is it what you gift to Del

i am interested

people in australia ordered via a distri WOZ

the distri payed 130K to Jack

but is this 100% what the clients gave him !?!?
what is if bumper got 260K from the clients

who should get games now?!?!?
and is this allowed for Jack?
the court must say what happens with the money (normal)
no one of you have ever ordered a game at JJP or is a client of JJP

Could not agree more with this post. OP isn't breaking any rules here. Just keep it respectful gang.

I can't even believe people are telling you not to post. The level of this screw up for our industry is huge. It needs to be out there until resolved so everyone gets it!

Going public is always a quick way to get any company to make a decision it could otherwise avoid.

If I was $9000 down, I would not be happy.

I wouldn't put $9k down in the first place, Id rather see it in person and pay for it then if I can't see it then I don't buy it.........I never ordered a Woz but still managed to get a NIB same as my NIB Mople and dint have the risk of loosing my money.

Its not like ordering a COD game at Game stop or EB Games where they require $10 deposit......... its $9k, I have friends who have lost out in this fiasco and they will never ever order again.

Too late!

Sorry for your dilemma, but you are dealing with a legal matter and have nothing but a vague promise from jack which he probably should have never insinuated to.

If you want something then call jack and ask him for an actual date rather than "a few weeks". I personally think JJP should be smart and wait for whatever legal proceedings occur. It sounds to me like all dollars were between bumper and JJP. Jack would be going WELL above and beyond to give you any games without some sort of legal documentation that the bumper ordeal does not back fire and he also becomes legally obligated to return the 130k.

I think you continually coming on here is NOT getting you much fan fare. You are going about all of this the wrong way. If AUS does not allow you to deal with bumper legally then you unfortunately have a hard pill to swallow and coming on here and making demands is not going to help when technically and legally you are asking someone to go beyond the bounds of their LEGAL contract. I do not know all of the legal contracts but by the sounds of it you should be very thankful for anything you get from Jack and even more patience is required on your behalf.

First of all, its sucks what happened with Bumper and the fact that people have been defrauded. I hope all you guys get made whole.

Secondly, its NOT Jack's fault that Bumper screwed you guys. He may break promises, say and do a lot of things that make us all shake our heads, but this one isn't his fault.

Third, it appears Jack is doing everything he can to make it right! The funds he received are from Bumper and those funds are subject to resolution of any legal issues and he has to be concerned about what he does with those funds in favor of one creditor over another. I'm sure all the defrauded parties are screaming for their $$$. So it will require more PATIENCE to get your games like non Bumper people here are still waiting for. Get it?

Fourth, despite all the whining and hand wringing it will work out in the end. Jack is making your games and the rest of the game already paid for. What more do you want?

Maybe the "lesson" to be learned, or one of them, is don't ever buy from any 3rd party distributor, at least Jack allows you to buy direct from his company, unlike Stern. Sadly, this won't be the last time something like this happens.

I hope it all gets resolved soon for everybody still waiting on their pins. We all get a chance to vote with our wallets in the future. Its your choice to vote wisely!

I'm sure at the time, it seemed much safer to give your money to a local company, than send it to a brand new startup on the other side of the globe.

Let alone the $900 savings on shipping. Much cheaper to share a container than to get one game shipped individually.

I agree with what you say, at the time, now after the fact, people better do more due diligence as to whom they are dealing with, including Jack and who he appoints to sell his pins. Either way, Bumper was sending $$$ to Jack across the world. If you can fog a mirror you can be a "distributor" for Stern, or at least that used to be the case.

How will the Aussies buy TH. Get together, buy directly from Jack and share the costs on a container.

there is an official distributor here the aussies can go thru. and no, not bumper. : P

you are bypassing the distributor?.... whats the point in having one then. correct me if im wrong here

After reading that thread Jack did say a few weeks. IMO a few weeks could be 4-7 weeks. Add some snag to that 8 or 9 weeks. He said this 3 weeks and 1 day ago and you guys are still on his back? Many people are waiting. Just bc bumper went out doesn't mean that you get your games any quicker. Also Jack did post he was going to make good on the "Games He Was Paid For" and 3 weeks later he is getting blasted about not shipping games? I understand the feeling of not having security when your main distributor goes out of Biz but it seems to me like Jack has all intentions of making good on "games he was paid for".

I'm sure most Aussies are going to wait and get the WOZ thing taken care of before they give more money towards TH, lol.

I seriously doubt it! That's the point, these same guys and then some will be lining up to buy TH directly from Jack, watch it happen! Despite all the BS and supposed mistreatment, its what pinheads do, they buy pins they like. It's why Stern is still in business after all the BS he has dispensed over the years.