I’ve put my deposit for CE from Zach at Flipnout. Nice folks to deal with.

I know TS4 is not what it should have been, but seeing footage got me excited I kept my ground for the machine. I’m hoping my kids (8,6) will play this machine more than Met and SW. I already have difficult games/shots and this sounds like a nice pace change.

If not, I hope to beat it and down the road sell/trade it at the market price. Even if you lose 20-30%, you cannot replace the hours of fun with the family.

I think that is far better ROI than selling your gaming console years down the road (yes, I know the $$$ amount is higher for pinball but % lost is more in gaming consoles).

Yes! I’m excited as well. If this pin was priced at $10K I think there will be better feeling about the lack of mechs, etc…

Personally, I did not order a CE to profit or to ensure I can get my money back. With many gaming products you lose over 50% of valuation. Lately, pinball has not suffered this fate and I’m fully aware down the road getting all your funds back from TS4 would need a special buyer.

However, that was NOT why I’m buying it. You cannot put the price on family fun (broken record as I’ve said this on the other TS4 threads).

I’ve got hard games in my collection already and my kids hate playing them. Hoping they can enjoy playing this one, get better, and eventually play my other games.

I’m an average player and so far happy with the angle taken on TS4 code wise.

Soon someone will provide an in-depth review of the code.

I hope They keep tweaking the modes a little to improve the toughness, but yet stuff fun.

It’s a long shot JJP will add a few mini-modes, but I agree would be cool to have them. Does not need to be required to beat the game, but having more meaningful content would be nice.

I’d 2nd that. When I pay to play per game, I’d like a pin that I could play for a bit.. complete some modes/shots that make me feel like I made progress or got to experience the pin. FYI, I’m not a great pinball player.

To me this game would do good for location playing as it hits all the checkboxes for an operator (besides price).

Yes, I’m buying it for home and realize if I resell odds of losing funds is rather high.

I’m ready to have a blast playing it.

Thanks for your input!! Good perspective that I’m hoping more people will be able to add input over time.

I like your comment about the shots and progress through the modes. Just reaching to the carnival wizard mode is one objective. I hope trying to repeat it again will be slightly different with little more difficulty.

Maybe JJP can consider adding additional mini-modes that can provide a little more depth.

When I have guests over and they play #metallica-le and #star-wars-stern-le , they are difficult for non-pin heads including myself.

This is a modern game that seems simple, but hope provides depth. Let’s get past the price. I’m buying a CE and willing to eat the price when I do choose to resell it.

I do hope JJP reconsiders and add 2-3 more mini-modes. Chances are super slim.

Nice! I’ve been trying to say this to other pinheads, but in different way. Too many folks saying it’s tailored for kids, yada yada yada.

It’s just many are disappointed of execution, cost, and the family target perspective for a JJP game that took about 2 years to release (since GnR).

I’m stoked like you are to have my kids (6,8) the chance to stay with me in my gameroom to play pinball. This one might work.

I’ve not played this game yet, but hoping it’s “deep” enough to keep my interest. I’m not the best player, but if I can get far along the game consistently while maintaining the fun factor it will be worth my money!

Yeah, MSRP price is thought to swallow, but I’m sure maybe Resell price will adjust that.

I’ve not played the game yet, but I am with you my skills are a fraction of Karl’s which would make this game last a while before I consider switching out.

I truly hope you are right as I want to believe we have JJP employees apart of pinside reading all the negativity regarding the expectation and what was delivered for the price increase.

What another pinsider said the layout/mech is fixed and cannot be altered. All JJP can do is add more code.

I hope you are right to reconsider how easy it was to complete the game and inject content to make it harder. Though, that would be a redesign from the code perspective and not sure how viable that is.

All JJP can do to soften this price issue is make the code insanely better than it is (depth and uniqueness).

FYI, I have yet to play the game and only seen streamers play.

Thanks for input. I hope more people will provide information like yours breaking down the code. I’m trying to not watch too many streamers as I don’t want to spoil it for myself.

My CE order is way down the road and I’m hoping there is some additional code injected. After all, if JJP is to release 2 games a year real soon they are gonna be like Stern release code updates unless they get more Devs on board.

Yes.. They are typically non-refundable deposits. If you ordered through a distributor, you could find a person to take your slot and which you will require to person to provide you with X amount of funds to take the spot from you.

The new person will typically pay for what is remaining from the balance minus your deposit. Otherwise, if you cannot find someone and still want to bail… the distro will keep your funds and re-list the game for the purchase price.

I guess people are saying if you ordered through JJP there is a transfer fee… I’m not familiar with this as I did not order mine though JJP website.

A good example was Wonka CE. By the end there was a distro clearance to buy the remaining ones… I think prior to or slightly after a code update improved the game such that demand skyrocket.

TS4 could be the same way. Many have complained there should be non-linear mini modes and an ultra Wizard mod for finishing the game.

If they do that then it will improve the demand.

I cancelled my CE order, but am happy to play this game on location. It’s a fun game, but with limited space it’s not the one to keep.

To add to this conversation, just bought NIB Wonka from a distro and once unboxed, I saw this…

The backbox has a 4-5” crack and the backside of the backbox is not properly aligned… personally, this is a manufacturing problem.

I’m in limbo right now as my wife, who signed for the package, forgot to put on the BOL the shipping box had a small hole in it. Fyi, that hole was on the opposite side of this damaged/cracked area.

At the moment it seems Frieght insurance is not liable. My wife did indicate on the slip she could not unbox to verify if any concealed damage exist.

Seems distro tried to tech out to JJP. No surprise I think JJP will not provide a replacement.

Even if my distro “fixes” it using glue and repaint.. why would that be acceptable for a NIB machine??

I’m hoping my issue is resolved appropriately. Personally, this slipped through the cracks, but it’s also hard to prove if this happened while it sat in the distro’s warehouse for the past 1 1/2 years.

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Thanks you two for suggestions. Yeah, I’m a little pissed due to this crack, but it could be worse.

Monetary compensation seems like a fair asking given the alternative would be too expensive (shipping was $500).

Also, thanks for suggestion how to fix this crack.. like the syringe idea. I’ll look it over.

Lastly, that was my concern was resell. But your right that if I be up front it should sell.. besides, it will be fixed.

Sorry to detail the thread… related JJP QA issue discussed.

Back to TS4.

Has Karl done a stream of Wonka’s wizard mode, Pure Imagination?

If so.. I cannot find it.

Cool artwork...

Had money flowed form the trees I would have kept my CE order. Sadly, only 1 slot available for a new pin I decided to go with Wonka.

TS4 is a fun game and well.... perhaps I can join the club when its right for me. Not now.

We’re you able to get through both characters (buzz and woody)? Watching the stream it seems it gets harder the 2nd time around.

Wondering what your thoughts are on that.

So, don’t you all think that ship has sailed? Recall Jack mentioned TS4 was going to be released with nearly completed code.

To all us that hear that, it’s main tasks, wizard modes, progression concepts are all down.
All they would be doing is polish up the code as they see/hear of operational issues.

I’d 2nd changing what happens after you get near the end of the 2nd wizard mode.

Someone else also mentioned adding mini-wizard mode auto-launched after the player has beaten X number of modes. That would be cool.

But at this point I think that won’t happen. Hope to be wrong.

Let’s see some photos of this sexy CE. I’m sad that I let go of my CE order due to space decisions but lurking around.

Isn’t that what those two gold flat-head screw are for under the lockdown bar? Just loosen those screws equally, re-apply the lockdown bar until the play is all gone.

I was in a hotel last night and Willy Wonka happened to be playing on a movie channel. Perfect night cap movie. Love it every time I watch the film as it does not get old.

For those that have Wonka and TS4, how is the gameplay compared? Is there room for both in a small collection? Given Pat L. Designed both do both games flow/shots feel too similar to keep both?

If you observe Dailed In, Wonka and now TS4, I see common shots within his designs but slight difference in the inner shots.

Thoughts?

Yeah… I would not know until I put a TS4 next to my Wonka to see for myself.

I will have to wait to sell one of my games first as I just bought TNA.

For those who likes this game.. how is the replay ability going for you?

Might be a little early, but interested in knowing who first enjoyed it, but slowly faded away over time.

Yeah, I jumped off the train after I played little over 2 hours of playtime when it first came out after I read about the rules/objective.

It was a fun shooter, but just lacked what I was seeking at the time. It might be close to time to give it a shot in a home setting.

Star Wars is my prime example of living a game after taking it home. Sucked on location, but fun as hell at home.

Maybe I can get that feeling with TS. Time will tell and thanks for those who responded.

Now that is nickel and dime style! Nice!! I need to convince grandma/grandpa to come watch their grandkids so I can use the $15K I pay a year for daycare to buy more machines!!

Ugh… sadly, won’t happen.

If they do update adding what you say, “just one more mode feeling” then I’ll sell my Star Wars pinball to buy this.

The thing is, the fundamental rules set has public ally been told it’s set in stone. That won’t change, but adding bonus modes perhaps could be added.

Not sure. Here’s to hoping.