I'm not sure how he would even have any legal standing to complete it even if he had the means..lol. Rick/PPS isn't going to let someone else commercially make a game that's in production....much less what could arguably seen as a better version from a purist/collector standpoint.

He used to post here, I think?

Are you out of your mind?

Wayne got out of this mess A LONG time ago and has no rights for anything or the means to build anything. The possibility of him shipping the CC and MM remakes he was talking about during the Bush Administration is as likely as Crocodile Hunter shipping.

I think we've run out of things to speculate about if it has come to this.

We were contacted by a group looking to buy the rights in the middle of us working on the MM game.

We worked out a way to enable our customers to get a MM remake and many other games in the future by having the rights we owned transfered to the USA

This enables many to be able to use the rights to produce much needed parts and NEW games you see today via PPS.

I won't go into the logistics of that sale, but i will say we still have the rights to remake MM in (limited numbers) and the parts to do so.

We are not taking any new orders

I personally own a large number of pinball machines and have for over 35 years. have helped source much needed parts and produced hundreds of parts that were not available in the past.

I created the Next Gen Printing process used today on both Cabinet Art and Translites, manufactured many new boards, so to say I have not done anything for pinball, you think about that when you play your MMR or fit your next Gen Cabinet art.

Because none would have existed without me transferring the rights to the USA.

I could have just sat on the rights like Gene and done nothing with them.

Feel free to Flame away

Sure, I will. Your price for a MM wiring harness is outrageous.

Did everyone that paid you get their money or game?

just the other day wayne helped me with something... he's a much helpful bloke if you check your gun and your bag of ancient history at the door.

Try that instead of banging on rehashing old stories again... give it a go i dare ya..

Well, without running through one of the pinball community's longest running arguments yet again, I can say that Wayne was instrumental in a very large number of collectors in Australia getting their WOZLEs or partial refunds after the Bumper Action distributor disaster.

We could not have done it without him. I regard that as a substantial accomplishment for the pinball community.

MM has been remade after Wayne signed over various rights to PPS. People can now buy them; even from Wayne.

And I also wouldn't airily dismiss "business persons" - these people are the reason we actually have new machines to buy in the first place ...

The WOZ story is absolutely true. Land down under and all that jazz.

I believe Rick said PPS/CGC would be taking care of those customers when they announced MMR. Maybe my memory is foggy?

yes, foggy, taking care of Wayne's customers was and is Wayne's responsibility. Those customers as best I know were given options by Wayne that we were ok with.

Sorry, lol. No clue what the heck I was thinking.

Someone made the comment that Wayne is very helpful in the pinball community. That may be the case unless you happen to be one of the folks who's deposit he is still sitting on from the original MMR offer. Yes, Wayne is still holding deposits for the original MMR offer from over 10 years ago.

The way he has taken care of his customers from that project was to tell them that they could either jump to the PPS offer or hold with the original offer while he completed the project. Since making that commitment, he refuses to respond to any inquiry as to his plans to either complete the project or cancel it.

Mr. Pinball has retained the rights and the parts to remake MM in "limited numbers", however he shows no interest in honoring his commitment to assemble those parts and deliver them. Since Wayne refuses to respond to any request for information on his intentions with the project, it is pretty clear that he has no intention of ever completing it. However, he refuses to say that he won’t. He is just hoping that everyone will eventually ask for their money back so he can declare a successful completion of the project.

I guess it is just Wayne's way of being very helpful in the pinball community.

1 post in a year, make it 2

Nobody is suing me aka predator or jpop

That is a low bar to have to vault...

Wouldn't you either jump in on PPS MMR or get a refund? Not sure why you'd want to wait for Wayne's MM when you can get it from PPS (through Wayne).

so, let's get this straight... You are now telling paid customers they have to sue you in order to get their money back? WTF Wayne???

Just admit defeat, that you are completely incapable of getting the game built, and send people a MMr which YOU pay for in full from CGC.

Some would say that the fact the original MM remake took so long, that this gave scope to other people and companies to go for the long con in the pre order model. Those on Wayne's list in the beginning must have been thinking: "Well, Big Bang Bar took years, so we'll be ok in the end"

Whats this? I can hold deposits forever for vaporware? My god man, get the flyers printed!

Because Wayne has promised them he will build them a MM replica (from the original WMS bill of material) and it will only cost them $4500. To switch to the MMr machine Wayne wants them to pay the difference for Rick's new price tag ($8000 in total), and then they would end up with the newly designed machine with the BeagleBone emulation, etc.

So what you have is basically a greed-based game of staring between Wayne and his customers to see who will flinch first. The customers won't ask for a refund because they truly believe they are eventually going to be rewarded for their patience with a $4500 MM game. And Wayne isn't flinching because he gets to continue to draw interest on all their money (apparently forever), and doesn't even have to endure being called out as a thief because he can claim (and rightly so) that he will happily refund their money as soon as they ask him to. Truly one of the saddest ongoing cons in all of pinball, and before Wayne jumps on me for using that word I will say that if you truly have no intention of building these games you are a con man even given that you are willing to give refunds. You should not have to be asked for a refund on a project you have no intention of fulfilling.

If there are seriously people stupid enough to think they'll ever get a $4500 MM remake from down under, how can you possibly feel Wayne is at fault for anything here? This is not on him.

As I stated, I don't think this qualifies as outright theft on Wayne's part. And legally he is probably in the right given that no production or delivery date was ever promised. To me it falls into a moral issue: is he actually still trying (in any capacity what-so-ever) to build these games? If not, an honorable businessman would voluntarily liquidate the deposits. As it is I can only assume the end-game presumption is that some folks will just die or forget about this and Wayne will eventually be able to pocket those proceeds...

And this is why I don't preorder games.... i always exchange cash for product

given your current options (1 - Wait for a game you don't believe is coming or 2 - Get your money back), it seems like you are choosing not to ask for a refund for the sole purpose of having a reason to be pissed off. i mean, you don't seem to believe Wayne is going to deliver a MM, so the only reason you are keeping your money with him is to have something to complain about.

I'm not sure that PinThrift is one of the folks that still have a deposit with Wayne. Reading his post again it seems he was just relaying info on project status, but I could be wrong and he does. Yours is still a valid comment to those that still do. The upside is every time there is one of these MM/Wayne threads it seems to inspire one or two folks to ask for a refund so it's good that we re-visit this topic every so often.

Hahahaha, wait. Give me a second. *bursts out laughing again*

I mean, sure, I haven't met anyone who hasn't said the artwork Wayno supplies isn't top notch (well, apart from this guy, who isn't exactly a neutral party),
http://www.pinballinfo.com/community/threads/mr-pinball-australia.34391/#post-177977

but you personally 'created the Next Gen Printing process used today'?

Hahahahaha.

You mean like this one?
http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=5793&picno=53186