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Was I in the wrong?

By Md2020

2 years ago


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    #51 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    Yep, this is something I understood after the fact unfortunately.
    And I don't really blame him, other than I just thought I had more time to give him a solid yes/no.

    The thing you didn't realize is that you HAD been given an ultimatum.

    "I have another guy ready to buy this but you can let me know today if you want it" is a pretty straightforward ultimatum, at least when it comes to pinball sales.

    You basically "called his bluff" by asking for a discount, and unfortunately, he wasn't bluffing so he sold it to the other guy.

    Ya win some ya lose some! At least next time you'll have some ammo when you have run it by your wife, you can remind her what happened last time and that it's a good deal you really need to jump on. Then you'll find out if SHE's bluffing!

    #52 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    The thing you didn't realize is that you HAD been given an ultimatum.
    "I have another guy ready to buy this but you can let me know today if you want it" is a pretty straightforward ultimatum, at least when it comes to pinball sales.
    You basically "called his bluff" by asking for a discount, and unfortunately, he wasn't bluffing so he sold it to the other guy.
    Ya win some ya lose some! At least next time you'll have some ammo when you have run it by your wife, you can remind her what happened last time and that it's a good deal you really need to jump on. Then you'll find out if SHE's bluffing!

    I mean you are not wrong, but he also said I had until today to let him know. And I believed that.

    This being my first attempt at purchasing one though, I wasn't aware of how sales go down. But now I have a better idea lol.

    #53 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    I mean you are not wrong, but he also said I had until today to let him know. And I believed that.
    This being my first attempt at purchasing one though, I wasn't aware of how sales go down. But now I have a better idea lol.

    I would say if you aren't ready to buy a game, don't go look at it. This being a newer game coming out of a house that is. Hey, old game with sketchy description sure go check it out. Newer games though, just be ready to buy. You are going to have very little to check out or fix after the fact.

    #54 2 years ago
    Quoted from DudeRegular:

    I would say if you aren't ready to buy a game, don't go look at it. This being a newer game coming out of a house that is. Hey, old game with sketchy description sure go check it out. Newer games though, just be ready to buy. You are going to have very little to check out or fix after the fact.

    I mean I was (am) ready to buy which is why I actually went to his house to play it. If I wasn't ready I wouldn't have even bothered going there. My problem was hesitation in trying to get some wiggle room on price. But with these new games I guess there isn't much of that if not overpriced.

    Maybe his expectations were that I was going to come with cash in hand though but I thought it was clear I was coming to check it out in person first.

    Again, this is my first time doing this so maybe expectations are just a bit different with these new pins rather than the older arcade games I've purchased. With those I went and checked them out and then came back another day with a truck to haul them away.

    #55 2 years ago
    Quoted from thedarkknight77:

    I believe you are in the wrong, but not too a large extent. You forgot common courtesy. Are you required to give a stranger or future buyer common courtesy, what about if it was a friend or a family member??? No, but I want for you to imagine a world without no common courtesy and apply it to every aspect of human interaction, I promise you it’s not a world you want to live in. We all can and should strive to be better, maybe the old days were better days. With a little more effort and a little less greed, you could have been better………all you had to do is message the first person who inquired, that you had someone with cash who wanted it, so piss or get off the pot. Again, don’t sweat it, just remember it for next time.

    Literally sounds like a dragging from superman.

    #56 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    I was (am) ready to buy

    Quoted from purbeast:

    But being an expensive purchase I had to run it by my wife first and she thought it was a bit much so I asked the seller last night if he'd be willing to go a bit lower after already telling me the firm price

    You have a different definition of the word "ready". Better communication will help you facilitate future purchases. Ready means I have the money and can pay for the machine RIGHT NOW. Not after I discuss with my wife.

    If you've come to my house and don't leave with the machine, then come back with more questions and attempted negotiations you are a tire kicker.

    #57 2 years ago

    Ahhh to help keep beating the horse (pinball machine?) good and dead. Mainly because I just went through something similar selling some machines.

    Unless someone said "they will accept your offer to sell the machine and will be over at your house with $x dollars cash on the glass this Thursday at 8 pm, please confirm date and time work" - you have no contract which consists of "OFFER" and "ACCEPTANCE".

    And in an offer there is a wonderful legal word that also means something sweet in relationships - CONSIDERATION.
    Quoted "Consideration is the value that induces the parties to enter into the contract. ... Acceptance may be expressed through words, deeds or performance as called for in the contract. Generally, the acceptance must mirror the terms of the offer. If not, the acceptance is viewed as a rejection and counteroffer."

    My solution is to post ads clearly and when people message or text to clearly spell out my expectations. There is no emotional involvement, just plain facts of what I am looking for to make a deal. Expect that when you do the same, people still will not get it. You can put whatever you want in ads and a lot of people just don't read anymore . That is on them.

    Yes, I had people message me after selling an Avengers and having it posted over a month what was the deal, etc.

    #58 2 years ago
    Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

    You have a different definition of the word "ready". Better communication will help you facilitate future purchases. Ready means I have the money and can pay for the machine RIGHT NOW. Not after I discuss with my wife.
    If you've come to my house and don't leave with the machine, then come back with more questions and attempted negotiations you are a tire kicker.

    Fair enough.

    Perhaps we had different expectations of me coming to his house to check out the game and what that meant. I'm guessing when he saw me roll up in a 2 door coupe he understood I wasn't leaving with it. Although I did mention that if I did decide to get it during the time frame I was given that I could give him a deposit because I wouldn't be able to pick it up until the weekend and he agreed to that part.

    Lesson learned.

    #59 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    Fair enough.
    Perhaps we had different expectations of me coming to his house to check out the game and what that meant. I'm guessing when he saw me roll up in a 2 door coupe he understood I wasn't leaving with it. Although I did mention that if I did decide to get it during the time frame I was given that I could give him a deposit because I wouldn't be able to pick it up until the weekend and he agreed to that part.
    Lesson learned.

    The great news purbeast is that just like casinos on the streets in Las Vegas, there is always another pinball machine waiting to be sold down the block. May not be the same one you wanted - yet . Just be patient and be ready to go. Good luck.

    #60 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    I'm guessing when he saw me roll up in a 2 door coupe he understood I wasn't leaving with it.

    When I have someone that is “ready to buy” and they show up in a 2 door coupe, I roll my eyes and am already thinking about the next guy in line that is actually ready. Next time, just show up with cash and a way to leave with the game.

    #61 2 years ago

    New or old game, doesn’t matter. I agree - if I’m driving to look at a game I’m in a car I can shove it in and have cash ready to go. If you don’t leave with the game it’s very likely to walk away with someone else. Deposits do Work tho in a pinch but that can always go sideways. I feel a lot better just leaving with the game if at all possible.

    #62 2 years ago

    I had people told me that they would come see my pinball machine for a trade and learn from the internet after that that they did trade it to someone else without any news form their part. So I guess that if it is not certain that they will take it, that you have a deal and that you both agree on the prize it's fair game to sell it if you have someone who really commits. Like the old adage says "Avec des si, on mettrait Paris en bouteille".

    Cheers,

    Chris

    #63 2 years ago
    Quoted from purbeast:

    Oh I know trust me. I learned this lesson yesterday. But I did expect to at least get the time frame I was told to make a decision which unfortunately did not happen.
    I also did not realize that this guy was going to purchase it like immediately and I did not realize how much interest he had in the game from his forum post until after he committed to the other guy.
    And I can afford it from a financial standpoint. It's still a decent amount of money though to spend so it wasn't just an impulse purchase, and now in hindsight I wish it was. The most I've spent on a "toy" at this point was $1k on 2 arcade racing cabinets. So more than 5x that is just something I needed to think about even though I wanted to do it.
    But this experience definitely helped me understand how quickly you have to be if there is something you want in this hobby. And the next one I find that is in the fair market price in good condition, I won't hesitate with. After seeing how clean/nice it looked I do want a newer pin for sure. I like JP a lot from a theme point of view, but I also like the newest game a lot from a fun/play perspective.

    Buying pinball machines can be competitive at times. To avoid these scenarios you should always show up with cash ready to make a deal. It’s almost certain the game will be gone if you walk away needing to think about it.

    Plus sellers don’t want to deal with the disruption of setting up times, waiting for someone to show up etc. lots of odd people out there and as a seller you get tired of people’s wasting your time with their issues. Smooth and painless transactions win in this market.

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    #64 2 years ago

    Haggling? No. Price is fair accept it or even a higher amount than you originally wanted to spend. Going in with this thinking saves yours and sellers time.

    Wife? Better to ask forgiveness than permission.

    Most important: better damned well *really* want to buy. Seller gives zero shits about your problems with any large purchases. What’s a huge amount to someone is peanuts to others. Again, going in with your head wrapped around what you’re doing gives you confidence and that carries onto the entire deal.

    2 things that annoy me: buyer shows up cash-short of agreed price and EXPECTS that to work.

    And buyer picks on nothing. “Oh, I noticed dust on the top of the head. I’ll take it for $250 less.”

    2 things that thrill us both: hanging and talking pinball and playing for no other reasons. Them paying for games like an adult and me giving them free extras I bought for that pin. Mods never installed and nos stuff I’ve collected.

    2 weeks later
    #65 2 years ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Your wife is always going to think "it's a bit much."
    Lesson learned but I could see where this story was going as soon as you included that part.
    Sellers don't care about who you are running the price by, or an existential battle you may be having between getting a pro and a premium etc., they just want to sell their game, as quickly and easily as possible. When people start giving me any kind of spiel/explanation like that my eyes glaze over and I start thinking about other buyers I've been speaking with.
    Better luck on the next one, there's tons of pins out there!

    I've never had "ask the wife" guy come back after "asking the wife". The mark of someone with genuine interest is someone who has already asked the wife and shows up with a vehicle that can move a game and cash. If you decide you don't want to buy a game after seeing it, fair enough, totally get that, but totally agree on this. Once you need to find a truck, see if another deal pans out, etc...that's fine, but don't expect anyone to wait on you.

    #66 2 years ago
    Quoted from grantopia:

    I've never had "ask the wife" guy come back after "asking the wife". The mark of someone with genuine interest is someone who has already asked the wife and shows up with a vehicle that can move a game and cash. If you decide you don't want to buy a game after seeing it, fair enough, totally get that, but totally agree on this. Once you need to find a truck, see if another deal pans out, etc...that's fine, but don't expect anyone to wait on you.

    I’d be embarrassed saying that I have to ask the wife. Even if that’s true, make up another bull shit excuse.

    I’ve always paid full ask on all of the HUO games I’ve purchased. I only walked away from two games that I can recall because the decals were peeling and the seller never mentioned it to me.

    #67 2 years ago
    Quoted from Mike_J:

    I’d be embarrassed saying that I have to ask the wife. Even if that’s true, make up another bull shit excuse.
    I’ve always paid full ask on all of the HUO games I’ve purchased. I only walked away from two games that I can recall because the decals were peeling and the seller never mentioned it to me.

    Ha! I mean nothing wrong with discussing financial decisions amongst the family, but do that on your time before wasting mine is really all I ask.

    #68 2 years ago
    Quoted from grantopia:

    Ha! I mean nothing wrong with discussing financial decisions amongst the family, but do that on your time before wasting mine is really all I ask.

    I’m with you, but don’t mention discussing with the wife when you are at the seller’s home.
    It’s a weak, pathetic excuse and in all instances, the seller doesn’t care.

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