Lighted Pinball Speaker Panels. Once you look at these, you will never look at your games the same way again.

We have been working on this for a year. When we open in 2 months, we should have about 25 Bally/Williams titles. Stern (which is designed and prototypes done) will follow shortly after, then Data East and Sega.

Hope to have the entire below list available in 2 months. Has a dimmer remote control to control the intensity of the light.
Replace the wood panel behind your plastic, just like the Creature From The Black Lagoon taillight mod. The panel has been designed to work with stock or upgraded DMD and speakers.

We have overcome the power and mounting issues. Your game will be able to power this, even if you have a color DMD, topper or other power hungry mods. This is not just a routed board. This is a very intercut board that is a resin/wood hybrid. We are using a patent pending process.

Look close at the speaker lights on the deluxe board. These are not the blinding halo lights pointing at you, these are closer to the Stern light kits that have the LED’s pointing towards the speaker. Bally/Williams have different sized speakers which makes speaker lights look ununiformed from left to right. We have made the left and right look identical while you can still use stock or upgraded speakers.

Glare from the panel is about the same as glare from a DMD. You can get a blocker or adjust brightness on the panel and speaker to reduce glare.

Have been working with Rich at PPS to make new plastic speaker panels to many of the below games with a built in shadow mask to high light just certain areas.

Prices will be within $10 of:

Basic panel, just white lights with dimmer, works on about 20 games $199.99

Deluxe panel, added multicolor speaker lights with remote $259.99

Extra change for more complicated games such as Addams Family $30.00

Speaker inserts set will be $29.99. A bit more then Sterns, but they do require more work to make. Will have a selection for all games. This is the easiest mod you have ever installed in your game.

Bally/Williams genuine speaker plastic with built in shadow mask. $99.99

Have made Stern prototypes for both wood and metal panels. Have had email discussions with Stern about either licensing their art, or doing original artwork or having available in their store. Whatever the outcome, I don’t expect to have any Stern panels when we open, but should a few months after.

I will post panels on other games in the next few days.

Questions or comments?

At release we hope to have this mod available for:
The Addams Family - TAF
Twilight Zone - TZ
Indiana Jones: The Pinball Adventure - IJ
Star Trek: The Next Generation - STTNG
Fish Tales - FT
Terminator 2 - T2
The Getaway - HS2
Funhouse - FH
Creature From the Black Lagoon - CFTBL
Theatre of Magic - TOM
White Water - WH2O
World Cup Soccer - WCS
Demolition Man - DM
Judge Dredd - JD
Road Show - RS
Corvette
Flintstones - FS
No Fear - NF
The Shadow - TS
Dirty Harry - DH
Popeye
Cyclone
Bad Cats - BC
Indianapolis 500 – I500
Hurricane

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Yes, a few. The process took a very long time to perfect, but now it is easy to add titles.

Yes

We have the design in for those games. We will be having custom art work for those games done. Probably won't be done till mid 2017

Reflection is about the same as the DMD. Both the main lights and the speaker lights have dimmers to adjust. The best item we have found to remove the glare is the item amendes just quoted:

http://www.pinballlife.com/index.php?p=product&id=3301

Completely removes glare, and because of the angle it is invisible when playing. I will post a picture with one later.

They look better in person. The little bit darker speaker covers like Twilight Zone look better then the lighter titles like Fish Tales. I have had about 20 people see these, and everyone that see them in life are "oh my god".

And yes power problems are resolved, and you can use this with a color DMD.

Power draw is 1.25 amps at 12 volts.

We have a few other lines coming out that have not been done before. Our other new product lines takes 1 amp, another takes 2 amps, another takes about .15 amps and we are working on one that will be huge and take under .5 amps. You could hook all those up and a color DMD to your game, no problem.

Here is a picture from a distance.

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Standard panel that does not have speaker lights CAN NOT be upgraded later. The speaker lights are built into the deluxe panel.

Thank you for your opinion. I would like to point out that I don't think the good people at Stern would agree with you, since they have put speaker panel art on their last few games.

2 things to keep in mind, light sources are hard to photograph. Both the light panel and the speakers have remote dimmer controls, so if you want just a dim lights on the speaker panel to a slight dim to highlight, you can. The controls are separate, so if you want to dim the panel lights and brighten the speaker lights, you can do that also. We took most pictures on a bright light to best demonstrate.

We are scheduled to speak at expo about this and some other exclusive stuff we are working on. We have a pretty good sized crew, but not sure how much we are going to get done before then. Have a bunch of lose ends on other product. We have all of the problems resolved with this mod, and are starting production as we speak.

I will sell both the lighted panel and the new plastics with shadow mask, but they are separate purchases.

You can use your existing plastic speaker panel, but you need to take the black stuff off the back. With the lighted panel we supply a plastic razor blade to aid in taking the black stuff off. The plastic razor blade won't damage your original panel, but DO NOT use a metal razor blade or any metal tool on your original plastic speaker panels.

Nearly all games use the same lighted panel. When I list it, I will list it for each game with pictures of the panel on that game. I have most of those listed games. The few games that I do not have, I do have plastics, so you will be able to see them set up and working.

I am not sure if Rick is going to carry the shadow mask plastic panels. The manufacture of the new shadow plastics is through his guy. He finishes a title about every 2 weeks. He has to set up the printer for the shadow mask, so it takes a little while. I have 3 plastic speaker panels in stock now, and will have more when we open in 2 months.

Rick mentioned that he did want to carry a small trial order of lighted panels, but that was over 6 months ago, and we have not spoken about that since.

When we open I will announce on here.

We have a lot of original products that we are coming out with, so many treads should have when we open. Paypal will be payment.

HSII looked great, that was the first one we made. We had very simple panels set up on about 10 of our games about 6 months ago for proof of concept. They all looked good.

The current panel is very, very nice. It is a universal panel, so if the DMD is in the same place (I think T2 is the only different location DMD), and the speaker sizes are the same (Indiana Jones has bigger speaker cut outs, and Star Trek: The Next Generation is square), and it has no panel lights, like Addams Family, it will work in the same game.

I will make a complete list of games the universal panel will work in. Their have been some comments about HHSII, TZ, TOM, WCS. FT. Those all use the same panel, as well as nearly 15 other games.

You could put this in you Fish Tales, then pull it out and put it in your Twilight Zone, then pull it out and put it in your Creature From the Black Lagoon, no problem.

Good questions. This is a replacement of wooden board that supports and speakers and DMD. If you have extra lights, like on Addams Family or Rollergames, those mount on the new board the same way they do on the old board. On Addams Family the * T H I N G * will light up independently with no light bleed between the lighted panel and the * T H I N G * lights just like on the original game. Addams Family took over a month to do, it was a nightmare.

On Addams Family we tried to put color changing lights in the entire board with separate color changing lights for the speakers. Looked great, the white lattice would light up to any color. I think we made 2 prototypes of that board, just to hard, not enough space. we will NOT be doing a full color changing board for Addams Family, but we will have the white board with color changing speaker lights.

BSD. Unfortunately I don't own this game or have a sample, so it is not on our list of games of initial release. If I don't track one down, I may have to borrow someones panel for a deal on a lighted panel. The main panel would be exactly the same as out generic panel, so it won't be hard for us to do.

Another thing about BSD, Flintsotnes and Indianapolis 500, they all have a layer of black on the back of the plastic speaker panel, so they don't light up as bright as the other games, but they still light up and make for a very cool effect.

That was a specific request from Rick at PPS and Stern also commented on this. We did do some boards that had sequencing and triggers from the playfield. We spent a fair amount of money and time working on this. Did a few prototypes.

If we did that, the boards would come out very slowly and would be more expensive. Probably only release 1 panel per month, would have taken forever to get a bunch out.

We have designed the board so you have space, and can get a strip LED from Comet Pinball using the matrix system, so you custom your lighted panel. Parts of the panel can be blocked off or lit different colors. The panel does NOT have switches or anything to do this, but it could easily be done manually.

Also most parts of most plastic speaker panels don't lend well to interactivity. Not much specific on them. Twilight Zone is an exception, and would work very well for game interactivity. Twilight Zone has both the pyramid and and the gumball machine on the plastic speaker panel. You could purchase for less then $20 the lights needed from Comet Pinball. Take about 1 hour, and you could have the gumball machine and the pyramid triggered from the play field, would not be hard.

We have talked about having modules available that would fit in the panel to do those upgrades. If we did that, it would be a long, long time away, because we rather get the lighted speaker panels for Stern, Data East and Sega before we do those updates.

As we say here. You can mod the mod.

Yes, all panels we make will work with color DMD. Yes, the * T H I N G * lights with color DMD will work fine on our panels.

Power supply was one of the big problems. Most games are close to the power consumption, so if add a color DMD you cannot do another mod. We have over come this problem, this panel and some of our other mods that are coming out will work fine in your game with a color DMD.

As we work on more boards we do find easier ways to do things. If we can figure out how to overcome major problems to have a color Addams Family we would love to do it. A couple of the problems is you need a certain depth for light to have a good spread, and RGB LED's need even more depth then white LED's. If the lights are to close to the board, you have hot spots. We did a lot of work with diffusers to try to over come some of our problems, but could not get it to work. Also remember that board that comes with your Bally/Williams game is only .37 inches thick. Not much space to do anything!!

Creature From The Black Lagoon is the only game to have done anything like this. It had at least 3 versions, maybe 4. Of course Mr. Thompson's was a piece of art.

We tracked down any piece of information we could find for that mod.

We tried to find every problem that people had with any of those Creature mods, and made sure we could over come them.

The very fist prototype we did were custom cut for that game with a vinyl shadow mask. We talked a bit with Rick from PPS, and he suggested that going with a shadow mask in a new plastic would be a better way to go, and we agreed.

All of the past Creature Panels had the taillights light up, the UFO may or may not flash, the moon lit and the drive in sign sequenced.

We wanted to make the orange sunset light up, which we think is the best part of the board, when you see it, it looks great. We also wanted to make all of the stars light up.

Creature is one of the few speaker panels that would look better with a sequencer or trigger from the board.

We had a choice, make a few boards look the best they could possibly look or make a lot of very good boards. We choose making a lot of very good boards.

So on our Creature board their are some trade offs from earlier Creature boards.

The Creature board that we offer is our generic board. The entire board lights up. It is exactly the same board you see in these Fish Tale pictures. And this board works on about 20 games. So you lose the sequence sign, but more things light up. And of course with our deluxe board you get color changing speaker lights.

When Mr. Thompson released his lighted panel, you had the option of purchasing a vinyl shadow mask for the back of your plastic speaker panel and you had the option of purchasing the deluxe plastic speaker panel which had a bit of chrome in the silk screened plastic speaker panel. So even with the best past creature panels you could purchase upgrades.

We are having a Creature plastic shadow masked speaker panel being made that will light up the tail lights, UFO, moon, orange sunset, the entire drive in sign and all of the stars.

Attached is a Creature lighted panel that was done in February and is close to what we will offer now. All our lighted speaker panels come with black metal speaker grills the same hole pattern of the original game.

We have made artwork for all of the games that have artwork on the speaker panels, such as Creature, Star Trek The Next Generation, No Fear, Dirty Harry, Flintstones, Indiana Jones the W, the circle and W and may be a few others. These are not available for sale yet. I will need to get these OK's by Rick, and he asked for them months ago, but I have been dragging my feet on that project.

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Yes, we are aware of the color DMD problems with Data East, and when we come out with our panel, we will make it easy to mount a color DMD. The few people that have seen the guts of our panel are impressed.

The panel we make is 100% from scratch except for measurements of the DMD area. Making it to mount color DMD will be very easy for us.

A little bit about the speaker grills. When we started this project, we felt speaker grills would be no problem. Well as it turned out, it was one of the biggest problems we had. I know some people would kill for these, but I can not offer these till I talk to Rick. My fault, not his.

THESE SPEAKER GRILLS ARE NOT AVAILABLE at this time.

These came with the first Flintstone games.

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Color changing on any lighted speaker panel is not possible at this time. Don't see any way of doing it at this time.

I would say cut it up. We will do all of the Sterns first, and I expect that to take 6 months for art work and printing.

Yes, thank you, should have done this picture to start. 100% glare gone.

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I am not showing any of the internal workings at this time. The heart of this mod line is at the heart of a few other full lines that I will be coming out with before we open in 2 weeks. When we open I will at that time. Sorry

Don't worry, not hiding anything. As we install this in games I will show pictures. At the time we open we will have these installed in about 20 games, and behind 5 games plastic speaker panels that we don't have games for. You will have 100's of pictures in different games, different angles, different lighting before you make any purchasing.

I will say the lighting system is rather simple. The panel was a nightmare to make. Had over 100 prototypes testing different materials, different lights, different reflections, different angles, different brackets, different mounting, different speaker lighting, different depths. Lot of time devoted to this.

Yes, all good points. We do feel this is one of the biggest bang for the buck, but of course that is our opinion, LOL

We looked at it this way. Many little mods for the play field cost about $100 bucks. For twice that price, you will get something you can see from across the room. Something that when you walk past would make you stop.

This is not for everyone, we understand that. But it gives a choice that has never been done before. We have another line of products that has nearly the impact as this for half the price. We also have another line that we are working on that will have a huge impact for about $100 also. We got a lot of things coming out, so no need for me to sell huge huge amount of these.

Per your comments about other things, YES, YES, YES, a ton of things can be done. We were going to do something special on Funhouse. As a previous post said, not much on that speaker panel. One of our prototypes we were doing had a silhouette of the clock, hot dog, Rudy and stairs in the black area, you could not see them normally. When those were triggered on the play field, it turned on the light to see the silhouette. It was pretty cool.

I would say for 2 months we were experimenting with special things like that. One thing that came out of that was the lighted speaker grill area. which we are very happy with. I know it does not sound like much, especially since they have been available for Stern for years. But for Bally/Williams what a problem. We hated how the speakers were different sizes on each side, they looked bad when lit up. If you look at them now, same stock speakers, same different cut holes, but look exactly the same!

Another thing is the speaker inserts. Again many of those have been around for years for Stern games, but never done for Bally/Williams. Had to start from scratch. Went through many different concepts before we decided on one. They cost a more to make then for Sterns, and they take more labor, but they work and look good.

Once you start thinking about the options their are thousands. Had to draw the line someplace, and we decided to make a lot of product available that looked very good, instead of a few games that looked the best they could.

We have some new lit products lines coming out in the next 2 months. Stay tuned.

We will probably have some color DMD's on games when we open. Not sure which games would be best to show this off. Look at my game list, what would you like to see a color DMD with the lighted speaker panels?

Good questions.

The mod comes with everything to install. NO changes to your game. Use your existing speakers, DMD and H channel:

The lighted panel will replace your wood panel.
1 remote for the basic white lighted panel
2 remotes for the deluxe panel with color LED's in the speaker area.
Speaker grills are installed on both basic and deluxe panels when you get it.
A couple of different sized bolts are required, comes with those.
Power supply system that will work on your game. More details on this when we open.

You do use your existing plastic speaker panel, and you do need to take the black stuff off the back. We supply a plastic razor blade to make that much easier. If you purchased a new plastic speaker panel in the last 10 years, good chance it does not have the black stuff on the back.

An upgraded plastic speaker cover with shadow mask is an upgrade option.

The speaker inserts, which on this game is the jumping fish are sold separately. Will have that for all games.

When you get it, you have everything to install. Just pull out your wood panel out of your game, and transfer speakers, DMD, plastic speaker panel and H channel.

If you google Creature From the Black Lagoon lighted speaker panel, you will see some explanations on install, which are nearly identical to these.

The Stern's use wood screws to mount everything. We changed that to T-nuts so you change your DMD without worries of stripping out you board. you get a lot of extra screws when the Stern come out.

Thank you very, very much. I cannot even explain how much work we put into this. When we show the details when we open, some things are going to be "bang that is simple" but other things people are going to say "how did they do that"

We made panels for 10 games back in February. Then we did Addams Family. Oh my good what a nightmare. I was a bit afraid to do that game. If you look at the attached picture, this was one of our first prototypes of Addams Family. We were happy how the T H and I lit up with no light bleed. But oh my god the shadows!! Shadows under the letters, shadows around the speakers, shadows around the DMD, shadows at the left and right edges of the boards. Their not as bad in the picture as they are in real life. At that time we did a complete redesign. Trashed nearly everything we did.

Our current board uses clear resin around the DMD, speakers and end of the panels. It dramatically reduces the shadows, but they are still visible on a light panel like Fish Tails. Under the resin we have chrome paint, to reflect light up. At the ends of the panel and around the DMD we paint the inside of the resin with a reflective white, then with a coat of black to match around the DMD and ends.

Here is the sequence of making a deluxe board for those who think it is over priced:

1. Route
2. Paint
3. Resin
4. Route gives us clear thin supports for speakers grills, DMD and all edges
5. Route
6. Electronics
7. Other items
8. Resin
9. Route
10. Route
10. T-Nuts
11. Paint
12. Electronics
13. Resin
14. Seal
15. Sand
16. Seal
17. Paint
18. Paint
19. Few finishing steps
20. Then the power supply steps

It is a lot of steps, and I left some out, but like I said, this in not some cheap board that is routed.

We have done this many different ways, but this give the least shadows, least hot spots and strongest mounts.

Yes we have looked at acrylic and other methods, all were price prohibitive.

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Yes, the one that is on your game now. The Star Trek picture you saw was one from March or so. It has a vinyl shadow mask on that we won't offer. The picture you saw would be the closest to purchasing the new speaker plastic with the built in shadow mask. Don't worry, when it comes time to purchase you will get clear pictures of the game with different options.

Should be open in about 2 months.

The Star Trek lighted panels will probably be $30 more then regular panels, because it is the only game with that speaker configuration. A bit more work.

A couple of panels will probably be a little more expensive. Start Trek: The Next Generation (square speakers), Indiana Jones (larger speakers), Addams Family (*THING*), Terminator 2 (DMD is in a different position), BSD (not expected to be done at launch, but has cutouts) I think their is another one, but I cannot think of it.

Yes, I am sorry if I was not clear. The first bunch of pictures of Fish Tales is with the stock plastic panel that came with the game the last pictures (I think 5) are taken with the new shadow mask plastic.

A panel like this has only been done for one game only, Creature From the Black Lagoon, the 2 most recent options were both for Creature From the Black Lagoon. Mr Thompson panel I believe was $179, if you wanted a vinyl, that was another $15, if you want the upgraded speaker plastic, that would be another $129. Those were about 2 years ago. Also he did not do another run, but no one knows why.

Or if you want to purchase a Creature From The Black Lagoon lighted pane nowl, with no plastic panel, no vinyl and no lighted speakers it is only $399.00:

http://www.pinballdecals.com/CFTBL_TailLightModPage.html

They have them in stock now for Creature if you want that.

Based on those 2 examples, I don't have a problem at the $199.99 price point. When I started this, I was afraid another person would steel my idea, besides patent pending, our panel in now so complicated and detailed, we are not worried about anyone steeling it.

Thanks Art. Means a lot coming from you. When we were doing The Walking Dead prototype for Stern, we used some of your matrix red lights triggered from the play field to make the bloody fingers redder.

I know you are not with Comet now, I hope retirement is good.

Thanks
Dan

Does it use the same H channel as other terns use?

Johnny Mnemonic has the same speaker size as most other DMD games? Correct?

Does it use the same H channel as other games use?

Dan

Funny you mention this, it is on my list to do one the first batch, but somehow did not get on the list. Hope to have this game ready with the rest.

Yes, we mainly did that to get a little good feedback, and we did. People want to see it in different lights, angles, brightness's and with a glare guard.

We have the majority of the manufacturing process knocked out, just very, very minor stuff to work out. It takes forever to make one, then it takes a long time to scale up. Just little things now, like the what it the best process to paint the black around the DMD area, I know it sounds minor and it is, but all of these little details need to be worked out.

I will start making specific posts with better titles as we start installing these on different games. We also decided to launch our website early, but not be able to purchase. I should take a month to get a bare bones website online.

As for the a video, yes that is a good idea, and we learned that when we posted on the Borg cube.

We want to give the best and most complete information we can, and we also want to make the best product we can, and the feedback on this thread was very helpful.

Thank you everyone for your help.

I have a couple other lines that we plan to launch when we open that have not been done before.

Dan

Thanks, Getaway looks real good. We started with that one because most of it was circles and squares. We will have the optional shadow mask for that game also. For other mods on that, we are working on the helicopter.

Lived here 15 years, moved here from California. My fiance was a school teacher for 20 years in Camden, so you many know her. I live in Bristol Hammock across from the High School. I know you know where that is.

Dan

Question on Stern panels:

I have made the lighted panels for Stern, I just don't have the artwork. It is a bit of investment and about 2 months to get artwork panels done. When I do the Stern, it will be much like Bally/Williams where you will have a plastic speaker panel in front. The translite will slide in the top, just like existing Stern, but their is a U channel on the top and an L channel on the bottom to hold the plastic in place.

I have put off doing Stern's because I don't know which ones to do first. At this time I am leaning towards doing the metal paneled games, which are the most current games, ghostbusters, The Walking Dead and a few others.

I will only have a basic panel on Stern, no deluxe panels with lighted speakers. I have designed the lighted panels to work with existing lighted speaker kits.

Which Stern games would you like to see first?

The current ghostbuster panel is metal, and the graphics are a decal. Talking with Stern about being able to use their artwork, but their licensing may limit their ability to allow us to use their speaker panel graphics.

If that is the case, we will make custom artwork.

On prices for Stern, we are looking at $199.99 for the lighted panel without speakers lights. But you would also have to purchase a plastic with artwork on it. If we can use Stern's artwork, we are looking at $99.99 for the panel. If we have to make custom artwork, we are looking at $79.99 for the panel.

The reason we would sell them separate is because the main lighted panel can fit many games. So lets say you purchased the lighted panel and plastic panel for ghostbusters. If you were going to sell ghostbusters, you could move the lighted panel to Star Trek, and just need a new plastic speaker panel.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I was just looking at that today.

When I do a panel for that, I may need to include an H channel. I don't want people to have to have a staple gun or a drill to install a mod. That is the nice thing about doing a board from scratch, I have all that extra space that I can put things were I need to.

The size of the H channel from the front is nearly exactly the same size as a Bally/Williams H channel. Also the thickness is exactly the same as a Bally/Williams H channel. Their is a good chance that I will use the same hole and T-nut pattern from Bally/Williams and send a Bally/Williams H channel with it. It will look exactly the same installed.

I had to make a lot of things different on my panel to make it work. On the Bally/Williams panel, you will use much of the existing hardware from the original panel, but I do have to supply a few different sized bolts.

Yes, with the dimmer you can match the translite brightness. I had the brightness turned most of the way up, mainly to highlight in the pictures. Their are many different light levels in translites, depending if you have the original lights, single LED's or doubles and so on. Also the newer UV printed speaker panels let more light through then the original silk screened. If you go with the deluxe panel with speaker lights, those also have a remote to control brightness and color. Both remotes are on different frequencies, so no problem with 2 remotes.

Large DMD Sega panels are nearly done, just a few finishing touches. Pictures done with panels in different brightness levels.

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Thank you. Hope to have website up and running in about 45 day. www.lightedpinballspeakerpanels.com, we will have a few other really neat lines also.

We have a No Good Gofers sitting here to do prototypes off of. We have plans to do that line, but because they have no artwork on the speaker panel, we will need to have artwork made (and yes that included Scared Stiff). Not a huge problem, just time consuming, costly and don't want to violate any copyrights. Because we have to make artwork for both Stern and Data East, we will do Stern, then Data East, then go back to the Bally/Williams with no artwork.

TOM looks good. We had an early prototype done for that many months ago. Had it installed, then took it down, because we were updating our design. The panel that works in Fishtales works in TOM also. We have been working on a few other products, trying to get them all done by Chicago Expo. We are hoping to have our panels in over 10 games before we go to Expo. We will try to post those pictures here before we go to expo. We are planning on getting a new shadow mask plastic made for TOM, but that will probably be about 3 months off.

Thanks. The panel that works in Fishtales will also work on CFTBL. Much the same story as TOM. Had it installed, then took it down for upgrades. We are also having a shadow mask plastic made for this game, hope to have that within a month. The best part of the CFTBL panel is the orange sunset, looks great, the second best feature is the stars. All of the new speakers plastics are made through Bally/Willaims and are genuine Bally/Willaims product.

Thanks Paul. Have a couple of little updates to the Frankenstein board, I don't like the white halo around the speaker, but that is an easy fix. We have the panels done for Batman Forever, Maverick and Baywatch also, just need to do the speaker grills (thanks for your picture). On those 3 games I feel the speaker artwork is so important we need to include speaker grill artwork. Frankenstein looks good with black speaker grills.

Hope to have pictures of Baywatch and Maverick up before Expo. Sorry, but I don't have a Batman forever to to take pictures with. All panels look good with the lights, but the darker panels look the best.

I won't make a deluxe panel(speaker lights built in) for Sega, Stern or Data East, because their are many aftermarket speaker light panels available. Our Sega, Stern and Data East panels will all work with existing light kits.

Thanks every for the positive comments and PM's.

Dan

I just wanted to give everyone a heads up that we will be having many titles of lighted pinball speaker panels when we open, but we are spending a lot of time finishing prototypes of our other lines to show off at expo. We will have many cool things. With all of the prototypes that we are making, we are also making the procedures to be able to reproduce all of the items we are making, so the process takes a bit longer now. Currently we have over 100 boards for lighted speaker panels that are in different level of completion.

We have many, many things coming out, and we are going to have a time lag of getting the website up and running. If we don't get the website ready to go within 30 days (which is a very real possibility) we will start selling the lighted speaker panels here as we get the website going.

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Thank you very much for your comments, we really appreciate the positive feedback.

We have a few full lines of other mods that we will announce at Expo. Of the few people that have seen all of our mods, the line that most feel is the "coolest" we have not disclosed yet, and it would be perfect for Tron. The mod that we think would be a great fit for Tron, we get the comment "WOW" all of the time. One person said "you will not be able to keep it one the shelves". Probably one of the best mod makers in the industry had this to say about this up coming mod, "That looks really, really interesting!" & " I think it looks fantastic and if the installation is easy it should be a real winner!" Another very well respected mod maker said "That looks cool, very nice work," & "very clever and should sell well" and another very respected mod maker said "WOW does that look great." & "Doing what your doing I can see why your doing 16 hour days."

Very excited.

Thanks for the feedback.

Hope to get a few more lighted panels pictured here in the next 36 hours. I will "hide" another line of mods that will be coming out in about 30 days in one or two of the pictures. Hope to get the website going within 30 days.

We have a lot of stuff coming.

This was made as a demonstration for Stern. This is using Stern’s copyrighted artwork and is just made for demonstration and we will not reproduce this artwork.

For proof of concept on metal paneled Sterns. We also have the panel made for wooden paneled Sterns.

Stern panels are ready to go when we get caught up, hoping early 2017.

These pictures are with original speaker panel, low brightness, medium brightness and high brightness.

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I know a lot of you have been waiting for this one. Twilight Zone. You can have the speaker lights on or off. You can have speakers more then just these pictured colors. I had them set to white when I took the picture of the speaker panel lights off. Low brightness, medium brightness, high brightness. The remote will give you brightness levels between those.

I have a stack of 10 boards here, just need to install them.

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These are the 2 remotes that come with the deluxe board. The basic board only comes with the small remote.

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I have been asked a lot about The Getaway, Creature and TOM. I should have all of those pictured in the games posted on Monday.

Here is Indianapolis 500. This has a black coating on the back of the panel, so that dramatically reduces the brightness. These pictures are off, full brightness, medium brightness and lowest brightness, pictures may not be in that order.

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No fear. Off, high brightness, medium brightness, low brightness. Also the remote gives many brightness setting in between.

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On the above No Fear panel, it is a UV ink reproduction. The UV ink panels do not distribute the light as well as the original silk screened panels.

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The Getaway. This is pictured with a shadow mask. The shadow mask for this game is going to be slightly different, but is not in stock yet.

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Creature is also pictured with a shadow mask. We do not have this in stock yet. When we list to sell we will have pictures without the shadow mask. Most people love the orange sunset on either side of the speakers.

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Dirty Harry.

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Thanks

TOM gave us a bit of a challenge today. I think we only have green speakers working at the moment. All of the deluxe panels will come with all the colors in the speakers. Will try to get pictures of TOM up later tonight with a few others. I think we have Judge Dredd in a game and I think we have another panel in the black stand.

We are going to try to get a basic panel in Bad Cats and maybe Road Show, but that will probably be it until after expo.

Also because we were pushing to get a few other prototypes done for Expo, we won't have the deluxe panels for Funhouse, Addams Family, Star Trek the next Generation and Indiana Jones done till after expo. We do have in stock the shadow panel for Addams Family, Funhouse and Star Trek the Next Generation.

Remember, nearly all of the pictures posted are done with the same exact universal panel. One panel will fit about 20 games.

Demo man. A few new colors on the speakers.

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Thanks, we have had a lot of interest in that title.

We found these look the best with balance. We lit up the 3/4" or so of the dash outline that is above the speakers and DMD.

If you think a lit up speaker panel would look great for Iron Man, I have another line of mods that I will announce that screams Iron Man to me. It also screams many other games, but I think it would nearly be a must have for Iron Man.

TOM with a shadow mask. I won't have shadow masks for this game for a few months. When I list to sell, I will have multiple pictures with and without shadow mask. Pictures with different brightness levels.

Sorry, no Road Show today, but hope to have a Bad Cats basic old prototype board up later today.

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Old basic prototype of Funhouse. On the newer versions with or without the shadow mask, the yellow Williams will light up over the speakers for balance.

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Old basic prototype on Star Trek The Next Generation.

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This is an old prototype of Bad Cats with a shadow mask. Don't think I will have a shadow mask for this game in the future, but should have basic and deluxe boards.

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It is pretty easy to change some of the colors, you have plenty of space to do that. You can use a comet matrix kit, and put colored lights anyplace you want, just put them over the white. If that still does not give enough color, you can block put the white, using a vinyl product, or even black tape.

Using color comet matrix kits, you could have switches or gauges go on or off, or change colors when you do something in the game. We messed around with that. and wanted to make sure you had enough space to do that.

You cannot turn off sections of the white, but they are easily cover. To go a step further (we did a prototype for creature), you could take an area (on creature it was the drive in sign), cut the area with black vinyl, then cut the letters out of .25' black plastic, put in a sequencer, a few LEDs, and bingo you had the letter changing lights just like on the original Creature from the Black Lagoon mod.

All of this is no problem, if what you want to do is within 1/4" of a speaker it is harder.

Someone wanted bubbles that flashes on Fishtails. No problem, piece of vinyl to block the light, Comet matrix kit, run it to a switch, done. You can make a few custom places on the board for $20 and an hour of work.

Thank you for the link to the dimmer. I have had these in my games, no problems. In most games I get more glare from the dmd or translite. Many of my first pictures. I had the brightness turned way up to highlight the item. If the picture it is not bright enough, people complain. If it is to bright people complain. That is why we have a dimmer. With the dimmer, you can make it the level you want.

Thanks for asking.

My guys are doing some design updates to the plasma pop bumpers design while I am at expo having fun. Should be about a month. We will have green, blue, red, white, orange and rainbow. Working on purple and yellow. Also designing a lower profile piece, these pictured below are about 1cm taller then regular pop bumpers. The lower profile will be flat on the top. We are trying real hard to get them a little shorter to fit under ramps.

These pictures are prototypes that we rushed for expo. They are completely functional, have overcome all problems. Just fine tuning a few things.

I will get a video uploaded when I get back home.

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They are plasma. They are kind of like those plasma globes when we were kids, you remember the ones, you could touch the globe, and a bunch of plasma would come to your finger and light up. These are same kind of thing, looks like lightening.

They can be on all the time, or sound activated.

We will have them in red, green, blue, orange, white and rainbow. Working on purple and yellow. I will set up a thread when I get home with a video to check them out.

I am always ready for you to throw money at me. LOL

I don't want to take anyone's money till I have a stack to ship, don't want to be one of those other guys. At that time I will contact people on this thread or those that have PM'ed me first.

Everything is good, just little things, like getting shipping boxes and a need to hire a new person.

Update on plasma bumpers. The pictures that we took were of the second completed prototype. We are trimming a little bit here, a little bit their, and we are trying to get them much closer to a stock pop bumper height. We are also doing a few upgrades to the colors. We had a video, but I decided not to upload it, because I expect our next version to be a considerable upgrade to our current version.

We have all of the problems worked out, and everything works 100%, just trying to improve the design now.

Thanks
Dan

We have a few things.

A white lighted panel that replaces your current wood panel behind the speaker plastic is $199.99. This is the panel that your current speakers and current DMD will screw into. You get a complete new wood panel that lights up, you will just transfer your existing DMD, H channel and speakers to. You will use your existing plastic speaker panel that is on your game. Your current plastic speaker panel has a black paper that has to be removed.

The deluxe panel will be $259.99. It will have all of the white lights, and built in multi color lights around the speaker enclosure. You can not update the basic panel at a later time to a deluxe panel, the speaker lights are built in. I am working on getting the deluxe panels done first, so it may be a while before the basic panels will be available.

Our acrylic department is way behind, and we hope to have acrylic inserts that will be available for the speaker area when we start selling. The lighted speaker area and speaker inserts are much like what is available on Stern, Sega and Data East games made by speakerlightkits.com We will only be making lighted speaker areas and inserts for Bally/Williams games. When I stated our inserts were more work, that was not the best choice of words. Our inserts require a 2 layered construction, an acrylic design layer that you see, and a magnet layer that attaches to the metal speaker grill. Those will be $29.99 for the pair. This is an option.

Also as an option for some of the panels we will offer a genuine Bally/Williams speaker plastic with shadow mask. This plastic will look exactly the same from the front, but on the back it will have a shadow mask. The shadow mask will highlight areas of the plastic, in the case of The Getaway, the gauges will light up. Also this gives you a nice new shinny plastic, and you don't have to remove the black paper from the back of your current plastic. This panel is not required and will be $99.99.

When we are selling, you will have clear pictures of an original panel and pictures with a shadow mask panel. Hope this cleared it up for you.

Yes, we will have some system 11's, we have the plastic for Jokerz, and I will need to track down a riverboat gambler panel. The big title that I don't think I will do is Whirlwind. Whirlwind has a very boring panel. One game in my top favorite games is Funhouse, so I had to do that, and Bad Cats is one of my wives favorite, so I have to do that one.

Probably will be about a month on the website.

Guns N Roses is on our short list also.

Thanks for all of the support.

We redesigned nearly everything on the plasma pop bumpers, reduced the size some (when I said it was about 1cm taller then regular bumper, I was wrong, it was taller, had some numbers wrong), but we were able to shorten them some, still taller then a regular bumper. Did some yellow and purple, were happy with how those came out. On the lighted band under the bumper, we better matched the color, and centered them better. Every time we do a change, takes us about a week to make a new prototype. These new ones, should be our final design. I will post a new thread when they are done. We will have the selection of colors and a side by side picture with a regular bumper, and the exact height difference. Also a video to see them in action.

On the lighted speaker panels, everything is going well. We are making jigs for a lot of the little stuff. Having jigs will make everything more consistent, reliable and quicker to make. Made a few small changes. Still waiting on a few plastic panels from the printer, but we won't delay selling the lighted panels if we don't have a few plastic speaker panels in stock. When these are also done I will start a new thread.

On either the pop plasma bumpers and the lighted speaker panels, I will contact those people that have posted or PM'ed first.

Again, thanks for all of the positive feedback.

On the lighted speaker panels, we have a 800 pound circle metal shear that died on us, it was what we need to cut the metal speaker grills. We have a stack of about 40 boards done except the metal speaker grill. We are still working on making more boards while we are waiting on repairs for the tool.

On the plasma pop bumpers, we did a lot of upgrades on those when we got back from expo, we are very happy with them now. We are waiting on some materials to start making those in quantity. We will have them in blue, green, red, orange, white, yellow, purple and rainbow when we get all materials.

I am sorry, but I feel like I am starting to sound like Stern, LOL.

Don't worry, everything is coming, we have a staff of 6 full time people and some part timers, it is also taking a lot of time out to train these people, some very talented people on staff. Once everything starts coming, we will have a lot coming.

Dan

No, we went through much of our stock working on updates. I have learned weird problems come from nowhere when working on prototypes. We pretty much learn to expect the unexpected when we work on things now, kind of frustrating.

I was going to post videos of the ones we made before, but the new design is so much better, I did not want to confuse people.

I am very happy with what we have now, very happy with them, just don't have any. We have tracked down a few sources for the materials we need. We don't have any power, mounting or manufacturing problems, just need the materials now.

Yes, but way down on the list, going to be a long time, I would think over a year. We are currently working on alternate art for Ghostbusters to make a Stern panel. Because we feel that panel will sell so well, we are planning on making that panel interactive. We don't want to violate any copyrights, but at the same time we want it to tie in well with the game, so that is limiting. We have a design in with an artist, take a little while to get that back, and then to make a prototype of the artwork will take a few weeks. Nearly every time we make a change to the artwork it will take about a month to get a new prototype. The panel for Stern has been done for a while, and we have all of the materials, so once we get artwork done, will be pretty quick to release.

Working on this panel is not taking time or resources from other projects since we are using an outside artist and printer.

One big problem is I have had a deposit on a premium Ghostbusters since May 2nd, and of course don't have my game yet. We will have 6 or 7 mods for ghostbusters shortly after we get the game, to work out sizes.

Dan

No, but I am not far from you. Not sure where you live in Jacksonville, but I am 20 minutes from River City. I took my wife to Chicago Expo 2 weeks ago, and I gave her the choice of New Orleans or Florida Free play, guess I am eating mud bugs instead of playing pinball. Just got my GhostBusters yesterday, and I asked my wife if I could take the game with us. She said I could, but that might be a trick, lol.

Thanks for your question.

Ironically that is one product line that we have completely done, and I have 500 sitting in storage waiting for us to get these other lines done. We have the cards custom sized for Stern, Bally/Willaims, Sega and Data East. We will have them in 8 colors, white, light blue, red, green, orange (peach), yellow, purple and dark blue. We have made instruction cards for 156 different games. I will sell these in kits, taking about 10 minutes to install, no power issues. I guess I could start a thread on these when I get back from New Orleans. They do look really cool.

Back to your specific question. Yes that would look great in that light. The cards that I have for the games are a little smaller then 4 x 6, but I have a few that I ordered for prototypes, and did not do anything with. I think I have white (that is the brightest white, but is pink when off), light blue, red and maybe one or 2 other colors. I have the matching inventor and 12 volt power supply. If you tell me what color you want, I will look to see if I have one and I would be willing to sell everything needed for $30 total, S&H included in that total. Give me a PM and I will check if I have that color and I will PM you with instructions to install in your light. I will also send you the film to print your own item on them.

If that sounds reasonable, please tell me what you thought of the presentation in Chicago.

Dan

Yes, that has been a common problem with the ones from Germany, those can be a fire hazard (even a few threads here). People hook them up to their game using the 12 volt power supply in the game, problem is that 12v power supply is 13.8 or 14+ volts sometimes. The inverter can not handle that high of voltage, and can cause the inverter and or the cards to melt. BIG PROBLEM. Also many times those cards can cause different kinds of interference in the game.

Yes, ours are also rated at 12 volts, but in our kit you get a separate power supply that is switched from you games powers, and the power supply gives you a true steady 12 volts, so no problems and no noise. Plus our kit will come with a 2 meter extension, so you don't have the problem of opening your game and having wires hanging everyplace. With the extension, you run the wires down the underside of the playfield and put in the existing wire loons, much cleaner and much more convenient.

Also, with our kit the wires will fit in the small slots that hold some Bally/Willaims instruction cards in place, and no soldering. Everything is plug and play.

When we designed these, we looked at all of the problems the Germany company was having, and designed in a way to avoid all of the problems he was having.

Thanks for asking.

Dan

I already got 2 PM's about Tron glowing instruction panels. Yes I have those, here is a breakdown of the games I will have glowing instruction panels for:

All Bally/Williams DMD machines
All Bally/Williams system 11 games
All Stern games (not the original Stern, but since 2000)
All Sega games
All Data East games

Each of the above have slightly different sizes. So if you get a set for Stern, you can swap that between all Sterns, but they won't fit on other manufacture. On the kit that we sell, we will have an instruction card, a designer card, a game history card and a free play card. We will also include two 8 1/2" x 11" sheets of film so you can laser print your own cards. If you designed your own card, or want a card from a free donation funded site like pinballrebel.com or pinballcards.com you will be able to print and use those. We are not affiliated with either of those sites, but they have a great selection, and work off of donations.

All of the above are done, just getting our other lines done to start all at the same time. All of the above games should add up to 156 games.

Thanks for every ones support.

Dan

We have had some versions of these speaker panels in our machines for over 8 months. We have just sent out a few to testers, want to make sure the product is 100% before we ship anything. Still waiting on parts for the tool to cut the metal speaker grills.

On the plasma lights, we expect to get some of the materials we need in 2 days. Once we get that, we will get all 8 colors made and put on display. Hope to have the new design in 8 colors pictured in a week. We have materials on order and slowly coming in to make hundreds. These have been tested in our machines for about 3 months.

I will post our lighted instruction panels in a few days.

The website is falling behind, which is stupid of me, because we have nearly 100 other playfield modes that are done. I will start selling items on here before I open the website.

We just got Ghostbusters. The proton pack we had is a bit to big, so we are changing that. We have about 10 ghostbusters mods being worked on.

Had some personal changes. Those are what delay me the most, because it pulls me away to work on training.

Everything is very close. Again, don't worry, we are not going anyplace, we plan on making a major impact when we open.

Dan

I will post on here when we are ready to sell. The last few days we have been working on getting the plasma pop bumpers colors matched up as good as possible, If you are on the fence on these pop bumpers, I think you will love the final selection. Matching up the colors is a time consuming task, it takes 2 days to go through the entire process with one color.

When we are done we will have 9 different colored pop bumpers:

1. Red
2. Light Blue
3. Dark Blue
4. Green
5. Rainbow
6. Orange
7. White
8. Purple
9. Yellow

All coloring has been done on the pop bumpers, now just working on the collars (the part under the pop bumper). We have 7 of the colors done, just getting the last 2 colors worked out. Remember these will fit on Stern, Bally/Williams, Data East and Sega.

We have been able to colorize the top, so not only will the plasma be the color, but the entire bumper will be that color. Below is an example of orange. I took the picture from directly on top so you cannot see the contours, but these still have the traditional pop bumper contours and slope. Hope in 2 days to have side view of all 9 complete and videos.

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The collars under the plasma do have LED's to give them a glowing effect. They will produce some light on the playfield, not a huge amount, but it is noticeable. The color of the LED's are the color of the collar, which is the color of the plasma.

On the rainbow and white plasma's I am thinking of offering any color collar we have. Once we assemble them, you will not be able to change the color on the collar.