Hey atleast OP has good taste in music.
Not sarcasm, I freakin love this track haha

Guy says he bought this from ebay and paid using Paypal. There would be some kind of proof. He says nothing about you sending money.

He spent 6 years, pinside member
6 years, and he had 5 posts
now what's OP gonna do, now that his post stinks?

The moderator said!...

Just to clarify, the first thing we usually look for in a potential scam are various red flags that may appear in a member's profile that may indicate that the account might not legitimate. All Tiger was sharing was that these particular earmarks were not present for this member. So, that just seems to indicate that the member is more likely than not who he says he is. Beyond that, he did not offer any rulings on the situation itself.

We might offer some comments that may help get to the heart of an issue, but we largely stay out of individual disagreements concerning a transaction. The individuals involved will usually have to work it out between themselves. For the most part, these disagreements involve pricing, expectations, details, arrangements, representation of the item(s), misunderstandings, schedules, etc. The point at which a moderator may step in is if the thread goes off the rails or if one member intentionally tricks another member for their financial benefit, while that other member gets basically nothing--in other words, a scam. It's very rare that a disagreement between two members actually rises to the level of a scam.

It is very confusing but after reading it a few times I think the story is that the OP recently contacted Joe and complains that he didn’t get a playfield that he bought from Joe on eBay 5 or 6 years ago and therefore wants a refund. Joe says he doesn’t have a record of the transaction so he responds with messages jerking the OP around.

First email I get 2017. I haven’t had an eBay Acct in long over ten yrs. maybe 2008?

If E-Bay/Paypal brokered the transaction, the buyer has 6 months of refund protection for non-delivery of goods. Seems adequate to me.

Seems like Joe's story carries the day as it seems most logical. The OP won't even try to show us the receipt for purchase, so I am sure we won't see five or six years of communication where Joe is perpetrating this supposed scam. Presumption of innocence prevails for me.

That's clear. German or not, if you buy on eBay and pay with PayPal, the buyer protection is overwhelming if truly scammed.
Also is your credit card company if smart enough to use that on an international large PayPal purchase.

This mess just doesn't seem to be at all clear.

It was over ten yrs ago, maybe I listed one. I know I spoke with someone overseas and was shocked because whatever I was selling was like 50$ and they were willing to pay the shipping for it. However back then parts were scarce. So to sum it up - I may have had a pf on eBay, but would t have felt comfortable shipping overseas.

I only found out who this guy was in an email a yr or two ago.

Simple questions. Not sure what's so secret not to answer these. Not taking either side because we don't have any info. Keep in mind different languages involved here so let's be fair until more is revealed.
Title should be changed until resolved to be fair to all involved.

NOFX, if what joe says is true then you have some explaining to do here... also, are you absolutely sure this is the same joe that supposedly scammed you? If he hasn’t had an eBay account in 10 years then it couldn’t be him....

Great call lol! My favorite below

Linoleum is an easy grab, but it's so good.

Thanks for the explanation Joe. Over ten years ago? NOFX please help us understand. That's a long time ago

For sure!

I love Lori Myers. Plus I did hear they suck live.

Yeah, I think ten years requires a lot of explanation . . . but this whole thing is so confusing. Anyway, clearing up the timeline would be a terrific start.

Did April 1st roll over in Frankfurt before it did here in United States. It is April Fools at the time of my comment. LOL

Mods-

You've edited the title of the thread, but the original title still shows up in the URL. Not sure if there's a way for you to fix this or not.

Alas, that is outside of our immediate authority, though we made the recommendation it be changed as well. It will likely be fixed and taken out of the URL, but not till later this week.

Ty law

If it really has been "years", this should have been settled long ago.

A playfield for only $133.51? And that includes overseas shipping? I wager the shipping alone would have cost more. Even 7 years ago or whatever. Why didn’t you file an item not received claim back then? That’s on you.

Please stop posting sensitive details on people unless your claims have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt and you have permission to post it. Your other post has already been scrubbed by a moderator.

I've had pinsiders pay me for machines sight unseen in full with PayPal (albeit, I sent tons of pics, offered video chat, etc). Never had a problem

Honestl, I think we need to consider that the OP is the original scammer and that he’s counting on the seller not having the records to dispute this. At that price, the pf would be a nice flip. Even if his claims are accurate, at this point you have to say tough doodie bombs to him and he needs to stop publicly disparaging the alleged seller. What a load....

black dildo? might of been a giveaway!
HMMM, looks like you got F____'ed.
Sound like you did it to yourself.

Pinside small claims court . . . who needs Wapner to litigate their disputes? (wish I could find a bongo drum playing emoticon)

So far, you have not provided any proof of your claims. Can you provide screenshots of the purchase, invoice, transaction, or email notification?

I found some posts on another forum that I'm not going to link here, but from what I can tell NOFX came out of the woodwork over a year ago to claim that Joe scammed him. Joe in turn sent NOFX a bunch of colorful emails, and at the end of the exchange it looked like NOFX had a laugh and went away.

Over a year later, NOFX comes out of the woodwork again here to claim Joe scammed him and get community support. I don't know what happened, but to me it looks like NOFX is trying hard to get community support for his scam, but it is again backfiring. If he did order a playfield 10 years ago, that was the time to try and get his money back but I serious doubts that NOFX ever bought one.

"finish him!"

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I'm more interested in these black dildos...

the streetlight cover of this is so good.

Why not link it here? Would clear a lot of stuff up I think.

http://www.villagebbs.com/forum/index.php?topic=32905.15

Look at posts by the architect.

Mods if this is against the rules please delete.

That right their is popcorn worthy reading material!

@thirdedition that was an entertaining read.
Where to go from here.
So this is an old ebay auction and after reading things about not paying shipping because it was like 8 yrs ago, I wonder it pf was ever paid. Even back in the day ebay added shipping to end of auction price and PayPal wouldn't let you just pay for an item from ebay without the shipping amount being filled in or pre-set. So I'm thinking this auction was never completed and paid for in full.
If someone hangs on to a grudge this long you can also be dam sure they have copies and emails of every little thing. So that needs to be brought to light as well.
A part of me also thinks what happens on ebay stays on ebay and should not necessarily tarnish an account on a different sale website or forum.
-Mike

Man, 15 hrs since last post, I need some reading material for the day, standing by for some 'evidence' of this scam...

Even bankruptcies absolve after 7 years.

That's true, but that does NOT stop the debt collectors the debts were sold to from calling. Don't ask me how I know.

You left out the March 2010 date ... 9 years ago? Really? (insert eye roll here).

Revenge is a dish best served cold............Joey

joegeneau1 isn't even a user on ebay

No wonder he wouldn't have replied we only read English here?

I bought an ice cream 10 years ago that melted, can I get a refund?

Here's a translation:

Confirmation of payment for the payment to joe geneau
25.04.19 at 12:36

Good day,

Thank you for your inquiry to PayPal.

I hereby confirm that you have sent a payment to joe geneau of $ 133.51 on 13.02.2010.

The transaction code for this payment is: 5NS34829CA4171431

The purchase was made via eBay. The item number is 170437143626. According to the description on eBay, the article was "addams family pinball playfield".

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