Columbia, MO
dung No beer for you!
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Quoted from ZenTron:If you want to overpay for one of my pins and toss some insults my way, that is ok. Ill be laughing to the bank..
Just remember, there's a cumulative cost there. For every game we sell to a retailer above cost, they're screwing over someone else for probably 1.5x that, and that's how we end up with idiots selling Airbornes for 4500 bucks on craigslist. 
He is still stoking the fire. Dung posted on Midwest Pinball and Arcade Collectors FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/midwestarcade/permalink/1481676261909767/
5 hrs
Warning The Pinball Company
TLDR: Nic put down a 300 dollar deposit via paypal and agrees to pay the rest in cash. Sends his employee out with a check. Chews me out / yells at me over the phone when I try to get him to paypal the rest. I relented and took the check. Nic wrote the check for the wrong amount and then demands I paypal the rest back. Issues chargeback. Threatens that if I posted this publicly and I quote *If you post there, it will only affect your ability to post there ever again.*
He just cut and pasted his rant from here. Here is the first paragraph...
Quoted from ZenTron:If you want to overpay for one of my pins and toss some insults my way, that is ok. Ill be laughing to the bank..
Don't we always overpay? That's why sellers like dealing with us.
I'm going to look at it from both sides. If I was Dung and Nic was truly this big of an A$$hole to me I'd probably blow up and want to talk about it face to face with him. With that being said though dung, you still owe Nic 300 dollars.
If I was Nic, you would pay me that 300 dollars one way or the other I guarantee it. You could do it the easy way or the hard way, your choice.
Give the guy his money and quit being a douche bag!
Quoted from Foo:He is still stoking the fire. Dung posted on Midwest Pinball and Arcade Collectors FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/midwestarcade/permalink/1481676261909767/
Lawrence Marshall
5 hrs
Warning The Pinball Company AKA Nic Parks
TLDR: Nic put down a 300 dollar deposit via paypal and agrees to pay the rest in cash. Sends his employee out with a check. Chews me out / yells at me over the phone when I try to get him to paypal the rest. I relented and took the check. Nic wrote the check for the wrong amount and then demands I paypal the rest back. Issues chargeback. Threatens that if I posted this publicly and I quote *If you post there, it will only affect your ability to post there ever again.*
He just cut and pasted his rant from here. Here is the first paragraph...
That is me, and I make no bones about it. I also posted it to klov under sinistermist for the record. I was going to do rgp, but work added a fat long hippa tag and so I held off. You will also note that I told Nic up front that I would do this.
Quoted from PinballCompany:Don't we always overpay? That's why sellers like dealing with us.
Can you guys talk to FUN here in Mesquite and get them to massively overpay for my (AWARD WINNING) Farfalla and my (USED IN A PAPA CIRCUIT EVENT) Metallica? I'd really love to pay off a bunch of things this year.
*Edit* Edited for puffing text. LOL!
Quoted from Who-Dey:I'm going to look at it from both sides. If I was Dung and Nic was truly this big of an A$$hole to me I'd probably blow up and want to talk about it face to face with him. With that being said though dung, you still owe Nic 300 dollars.
If I was Nic, you would pay me that 300 dollars one way or the other I guarantee it. You could do it the easy way or the hard way, your choice.
Give the guy his money and quit being a douche bag!
Face to face is a good way to end in a bad time. Nic's employee, aside from calling to say he was going to be late at the time he was supposed to arrive, was actually great throughout this. He was a little annoyed by the end but was entirely professional. Say it wasn't him though. Instead of being yelled at over the phone you have a guy screaming in your face because you don't know that you can trust a check. Do you trust that someone that is that unhinged to not take it further?
It seems that the buyer didn't act appropriately and broke some payment terms of the deal on top of showing up late. I get why that would be upsetting. You had me all the way up until you decided to try to take advantage of their mistake by taking $300 you knew you didn't have coming. If you felt you did, why didn't you ask for it up front when the check was placed in your hand and you knew there was over payment. Seems like the victim turned into the predator here?
After you took the $300, you decide to try to hurt their reputation on the internet. Sure The Pinball Company acted unprofessionally, but who do you think is looking bad here? The Pinball Company is the victim now, and your the bully. I think you should cool off and rethink this. I don't like getting pushed around either, I think there is a better way for you guys to handle this than the social media nuclear option. Doesn't look good for either of you
Come on guys hug it out! Dung expidite Nics PayPal refund, Nic in the future try not to take your bad day out on other people. Lessons learned, I am sure you are both wiser for the wear. This thread is going nowhere good for either of you, just end this and move on 
Auckland
Tpc needs to make posts all over the internet stating how Dung and all his other names stole $300 from them. Seems only fair since both parties broke the original sales agreement but only one is childishly slandering the other.
Quoted from Concretehardt:Come on guys hug it out! Dung expidite Nics PayPal refund, Nic in the future try not to take your bad day out on other people. Lessons learned, I am sure you are both wiser for the ware. This thread is going nowhere good for either of you, just end this and move on
Sure, I will do it after I get a real public apology. I will eat the refund fees (4-8 dollars can't remember and the chargeback 20) because as has been said its not about the money. The money is already out of my account. In return I want Nic to admit to lying, chewing me out over the phone for his mistake, and threatening me over posting it publicly. I'd like to sit on here as the warning post that this thread was originally intended for.
In return, he gets his money and I shut up about the matter.
Quoted from jgentry:Tpc needs to make posts all over the internet stating how Dung and all his other names stole $300 from them. Seems only fair since both parties broke the original sales agreement but only one is childishly slandering the other.
slander. n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
I have not slandered. I have quoted emails and to date neither nic nor brooke have posted anything to refute that. There is a disagreement, but only one side is showing any proof.
Quoted from PinballCompany:I did get offended when the guy told me my check was no good even after he asked around and someone vouched for me.
This shouldn't have offended you. 'No checks' is a pretty common policy with many people and small businesses, and the dude even spelled it out in his email. It's nothing personal; it's policy, period. It sounds like your getting offended kinda sent this whole thing south in the first place. Still doesn't give dung any right to keep your overpayment though. Glad to see your peace offering below.. er, above 
I'm done. I still apologize for how I handled it. Should have sent cash with my employee as I agreed to. Should not have bullied him about the check. Paying cash is not the best for accounting purposes, but I agreed and subsequently forgot. Badmouthing me and my company is not cool, but what can I do? Moving on now.
Nic
Quoted from PinballCompany:I'm done. I still apologize for how I handled it. Should have sent cash with my employee as I agreed to. Should not have bullied him about the check. Paying cash is not the best for accounting purposes, but I agreed and subsequently forgot. Badmouthing me and my company is not cool, but what can I do? Moving on now.
Nic
I would not call that an apology, but fine. Let's end it.
Quoted from dung:That does not exactly seem sincere. I have not posted anything that was untrue.
I think your point has been made and I hope you consider closing this thread.
Quoted from ZenTron:I think your point has been made and I hope you consider closing this thread.
Edited it and yeah.
Quoted from dung:That does not exactly seem sincere. I have not posted anything that was untrue.
You're being a jerk and I mean that sincerely.
Quoted from PinballCompany:Just to be clear, we have not yet received the $300 back and it remains in dispute status with Amex, which indicates that the seller has not agreed to the refund.
Quoted from PinballCompany:I'm done. I still apologize for how I handled it. Should have sent cash with my employee as I agreed to. Should not have bullied him about the check. Paying cash is not the best for accounting purposes, but I agreed and subsequently forgot. Badmouthing me and my company is not cool, but what can I do? Moving on now.
Nic
Seems like a sincere apology ^
Quoted from dung:That does not exactly seem sincere. I have not posted anything that was untrue.
Just end it here and now Dung! People have bad days, we are only human.. for the love of pinball let it go!
Quoted from KozMckPinball:"bagging on Dung" is a messy proposition.
We use to bag and light it
Quoted from dung:slander. n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another, which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.
I have not slandered. I have quoted emails and to date neither nic nor brooke have posted anything to refute that. There is a disagreement, but only one side is showing any proof.
Written is actually libel, if anyone cares....
I read this thread and have to say all of this should have been avoided.
The up-front contract was established and changed. This was the first issue.
The second issue was is the sale was not handled well. Both parties should have reasonably worked towards a compromise. This often fails to happen when tempers get in the way.
Then we get the post-sale where it all went to hell.
The best possible scenario would have been for both parties to just agree to not do another deal ever again.
Pinball Company should have just let Dung keep the money and called it a loss and learned from it.
Dung as much as you were pissed off at the situation, you probably should have just refunded it.
To put it simply two wrongs do not make a right.
I'm probably in the minority that thinks neither party is right.
I have talked to Nic before and he was very nice. I would not think twice about dealing with his company and think the several positives outweigh this one negative.
Quoted from dung:Face to face is a good way to end in a bad time. Nic's employee, aside from calling to say he was going to be late at the time he was supposed to arrive, was actually great throughout this. He was a little annoyed by the end but was entirely professional. Say it wasn't him though. Instead of being yelled at over the phone you have a guy screaming in your face because you don't know that you can trust a check. Do you trust that someone that is that unhinged to not take it further?
I have no idea and I certainly can't take your word for it because you have proven what kind of a person that you are for sure. The jury is still out on Nic for people who havent dealt with him, but your word is no good PERIOD!
I can tell you this though, if you did to me what you did to Nic, I would be that someone that would be that unhinged. You are playing a dangerous game that could end very bad for you if you do this to the wrong person.
I'm definitely not suggesting that he should come after you because if he's smart he won't do that. I'll say this though, you got some balls. I hope you can back them up if need be. I would never deal with you in a million years, I don't care how good of a deal it was or how bad I wanted what you were selling. You should be ashamed of yourself. Karma is gonna get you someday just wait and see!
Looking at paypal there isn't anything I can presently do due to the chargeback. If I try and open the case I recieve this.
"We're here to help.
Based on the proof we received, we can't cover this payment dispute. However, we may be able to recover the payment from the buyer's financial institution.
It can take up to 75 days to dispute this case on your behalf with the buyer's financial institution. If we're able to recover the funds, we'll return the $309.00 to your account."
If they are returned I will refund the 300.
Quoted from xfassa:Hopefully, we all learned something today. If not, threads like this will continue. Go play some pinball folks, nothing more to see here.
Better that things are out in the open and even if people disagree and dislike me for its water under the bridge. Done posting in here though as I did agree to shutup.
Quoted from teekee:The moral of this thread... DON'T DEAL WITH DUNG... what a piece of crap.
Totally agree!!!! Cant he just be happy he got way more money than he should have. Nic should return the game and get his 3k back.
Quoted from Foo:He is still stoking the fire.
Quoted from dung:That is me, and I make no bones about it. I also posted it to klov under sinistermist for the record. I was going to do rgp, but work added a fat long hippa tag and so I held off. You will also note that I told Nic up front that I would do this.
You forgot Reddit. You also posted this garbage to Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/pinball/comments/68uyci/warning_the_pinball_company_aka_nic_parks/
Regina, SK
Quoted from drsfmd:You forgot Reddit. You also posted this garbage to Reddit.
As a further unintended back blow.... we get to know all his other aliases from the corners of the internet. 
Drained before the Lock, cause I like Dung, but not when he's angry....Id have a heart attack from his actions!
Quoted from kidchrisso:Well this was 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back....
you only have yourself to blame
This entire stupid and pointless feud reminds me of the classic Joe Pesci scene from Casino. Maybe the Pinball Co.
needs to send in their enforcer Nicky Santoro to fix the issue.
The sooner you get the refund back to TPC, the sooner you can begin healing.
Quoted from dung:If they are returned I will refund the 300.
Background links for future references:
Dung -- https://pinside.com/pinball/community/pinsiders/dung/forum
a.k.a. sinistermist ,
a.k.a. yenComity , https://www.reddit.com/user/yenComity
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bad-seller-alert-steve-hyrb-florida-pinball-salvage
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-anyone-else-never-satisfied
I've done lots and lots of deals with Brooke and Nic, all have gone very smoothly. Dung, you requested cash because you didn't want to get burned by taking a bad check. The check is good, refund the $300 deposit. It is the right thing to do.
Quoted from dung:Better that things are out in the open and even if people disagree and dislike me for its water under the bridge. Done posting in here though as I did agree to shutup.
Yet you continued to keep posting it on other avenues yesterday... the spray it everywhere is what turned me against your position. You could argue the guy forfitted his deposit, but instead you were doing it out of spite because of the interaction. Now you were just trying to get revenge... and the lengths you continued to go through shows your colors here.
Quoted from Dewey68:How about "The Pinball Company" offer up some money for Dung's "inconvenience"? Win-win?
Sounds like the best compromise. Just split the 300 and call it good.
As it sits right now, nic has made this and even bigger hassle for the seller and sounds like the charge back will end up costing the seller money. I have learned in these situations that the business will take the bigger hit in these threads. If you look up the crazy prices the pinball company charges for games (seriously WTF!) then even one lost game sale is more than this three hundred. After researching their 'business' online (i had never heard of them prior) i see that this is not the only issue they have had. I will be advising all new pinheads to avoid doing any dealings with nic or the pinball company.
Sorry you had to deal with this shady buyer Dung. I suggest making it clear once the chargeback is done so everyone knows Nic got back his money (plus the paypal fee you have to pay for chargeback).
Quoted from Whysnow:Sounds like the best compromise. Just split the 300 and call it good.
As it sits right now, nic has made this and even bigger hassle for the seller and sounds like the charge back will end up costing the seller money. I have learned in these situations that the business will take the bigger hit in these threads. If you look up the crazy prices the pinball company charges for games (seriously WTF!)
Stop acting like a clown.
Profit in the retail pinball biz is RAZOR THIN.
There are tons of expenses that your average hobbyist doesn't have. Dealing with the general public on pins can be a nightmare. You are selling games to people with ZERO SKILLS and the games need to be ready to go - it isn't like pinside where you can just list a game as 100 percent working when it has numerous issues and figure they'll just deal with it (I'm talking to you half of the people I've bought pins from on pinside).
The idea that the PBC should just eat $150 (OR ANYTHING) on this matter "because they are a business" is absolutely ridiculous. You can't just steal someone's money because you get into a fight with them on the phone. The PBC gets fair prices for their games for fair work.
Nobody here does their job for free or forfeits pay voluntarily if someone gets mad at them 9 to 5, don't see why these guys should either.
I promised myself I'd stop checking this thread, just like Dung promised "last post" like 5 times. But I keep making the mistake of coming in here and it keeps getting stupider.
Quoted from CrazyLevi:Stop acting like a clown.
Profit in the retail pinball biz is RAZOR THIN.
There are tons of expenses that your average hobbyist doesn't have. Dealing with the general public on pins can be a nightmare. You are selling games to people with ZERO SKILLS and the games need to be ready to go - it isn't like pinside where you can just list a game as 100 percent working when it has numerous issues and figure they'll just deal with it (I'm talking to you half of the people I've bought pins from on pinside).
The idea that the PBC should just eat $150 (OR ANYTHING) on this matter "because they are a business" is absolutely ridiculous. You can't just steal someone's money because you get into a fight with them on the phone. The PBC gets fair prices for their games for fair work.
Nobody here does their job for free or forfeits pay voluntarily if someone gets mad at them 9 to 5, don't see why these guys should either.
I promised myself I'd stop checking this thread, just like Dung promised "last post" like 5 times. But I keep making the mistake of coming in here and it keeps getting stupider.
I am not sure what you do for work, but i regularly give out huge credits and even take loses when i screw up and make a mistake. Heck, if i have a disgruntled employee that treats a customer like crap then i plan to pay for it to keep the businesses good name intact and know that i will also likely win more customers from those actions in the future. It pays dividends to treat your customers well, even when they make the mistake... Esp when you make the mistake.
I just can't believe that TPC was willing to pay 3k for an Airbourne! I mean that's top dollar! If I sell any more games I might just have to call Nic and Brooke! Maybe collector quality for 3k but otherwise thats a $1500 game at best! I hope they were able to get a profit on it maybe with their guarantee they could sell it for 3500 or so... Rude as you say or not doesn't give someone the right to steal 300 bucks from them! Especially when they were paid top dollar for the game to begin with! Not saying they were beacause I've dealt with Both Brooke and Nic and they were super nice but hey, I wish all my costumers would be rude and obnoxious if they were willing to pay that much I would be happy to take it!
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