Legally, the issue would involve intent. If Mirco "borrowed" a playfield and simply forgot to return it, it isn't theft. If he intended to never return the item despite promising to do so, it would be legally considered theft.

Of course now that he is on the forum here saying he will return said items, if he does not then there is a bigger issue.

I just don't understand the business sense of legally threatening a customer who allowed you to scan their NOS playfield in order for you to sell repro playfields to others. I would consider the repro playfield as payment for allowing the use of my NOS playfield for scanning. No way anyone would agree to trade an NOS playfield for a repro.

If your customer is mad, just send them their property. Sheesh.

Mirco addressed it on here but not sure he’s actually contacted Chrispin yet, maybe the others have been contacted. Hopefully he does sent the items back.

Proof is in the pudding so there isn't more to say until someone is contacted and told it's shipping.

Yes.

I can’t even believe I have to say this to another fully grown human being but...if you don’t return something that is loaned to you, you stole it. Congratulations, you are a thief. Wow, I actually had to write that, unbelievable.

Hope all get there stuff returned promptly. I was trying to outline why the word “Stealing” in the thread title isn’t actually the right way to say what is going on here. I’m not talking about a “thief”, he could be one if he doesn’t send anything back. It is just the wording of the title that I don’t believe is correct or fair, it could have said “Warning Micro Not Returning Playfields And Plastics” and I wouldn’t have said anything. To assume guilt immediately in the thread title was going to far in my opinion. Happy Flipping Holidays

Intent is decided by not returning according to conditions. He had intent by refusing to abide by conditions, thus theft.

Mirco:

Do yourself a favor. Take Crispin’s stuff, put it in a box with a shipping label on it. Write his address on it. Multiple times so there’s no mistakes. Clearly. Print it if you have to. Now. Get it to your nearest shipping depot/store. And SEND IT BACK. Don’t pull any of this “in January” shit.

Ok, feels good to do the right thing, huh?

No? Well, I didn’t ask your fkin opinion.

Go repeat this process over until every other member of this community is made whole again.

I’m starting to get REALLY angry.

You guys need to be patient. Quality work takes time. Anyone remember a company called playfield renovations? I had them redo 4 playfields for me. 1 of them was a Brand new CPR Centaur that CPR said was "Fine when it shipped, Must have been the Humidity" To take out the fish eyes, high spots and fix the cracked and curled shooter lane took PFR about 5 months. 2 others took over 2-2.5 years(Xenon and Funhouse). I sent the last one in 2007. I got it back in 2012(Whirlwind). They told me not to send anymore till they got caught up. Beautiful work. And yea, Mirco has 2 of my PFs plus other items. Always answers me within a day or 2. Apologizes that its taking time. Upgrades to capacity and whatnot. But I only check in every 2-3 months. If it keeps allowing shredded PFs to be replaced, helps keep pins from the scrap heap, Benefits the greater community as a whole, Im all for it. Even if it takes a year or 2. Getting ready to box up another, to ship, whenever he says he is ready for it.

If this thread makes you angry DO NOT WATCH “Don’t F&€k with Cats” on Netflix. That will make anyone angry.

Horrible...

Read ~ 5 posts below, I think he is just warming up !

Did I ever give the opinion that if you borrow something it is now yours to keep? I’m warming up? Sheesh.

At least they changed the thread title because THAT was literally dumbest thing I have ever read on PinSide.

Just wanted to let everyone know Mirco sent me an email wishing me a Merry Christmas and letting me know that he's getting the plastics done shortly and will let me know when everything ships. I tried removing the emails but my posts are older than 24 hrs so all I could do was stirke the material and leave an addendum. Hope everyone receives the same email. Enjoy your holidays.

I'm surprised no one has said possession is 9/10ths of the law.

For the record - I think what is happening is theft.

Was brought up a few days ago.

This isn’t true. If someone doesn’t return something that is loaned to them does not equate to them having ”stolen” it. If you “stole” something from someone, you took it away from them without their permission. If someone loaned something they gave their permission to another person to have it. If the item isn’t returned when asked to then one can expect criminal proceedings. The real definition of “stole“ and “steal” needs to be understood. Wow, I actually had to write yet again why what is being said by using the word “stole” and “steal” here isn’t true, unbelievable.

And the TWIPY for dumbest post goes to...

Theft is defined as the physical removal of an object that is capable of being stolen without the consent of the owner and with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently. ... Larceny is the trespassory taking and carrying away of personal goods from the possession of another with the intention to steal.

Dammit! I thought I had this one in the bag.

Still not comprehending the meaning of the word stole/steal... Again

You seem to have a hard time with the meaning of the word ‘loan’.

Loan a car to a friend. Tell them they can have it for a few months. Ask for it back and they ignore you. Go to the police. The car then is marked as "stolen". Friend is picked up by police and car is returned.

To steal means to take an item without permission. The item is "stolen" the second it wasn't returned as agreed because the person no longer has the owners permission to have the item.

I tried to make a similar comparison in post #281, but it failed to connect.

I love how posters parse words and come up with strict definitions in an attempt to show everyone just how clever they can be.

Not returning something that doesn’t belong to you is theft in my book. If others do not believe that’s theft, So be it...either way, let’s hope the sustained pressure will result in all the playfields being returned to their rightful owners.

Cheers everyone.

Well said.

Distant second bud. Better luck next year.

According to pipes post #355 one is guilty of stealing something loaned them without any proof of “intent”. So if one goes to pipes court and forgot to return a loaned item, well that doesn’t matter, congratulations you are going to be convicted of a crime. Glad pipes isn’t a real judge. One would also hope he isn’t on a jury if needed to deliberate the case. I’m glad there are real courts to determine if criminal activity has been carried out. If pipes had included that “intent” was determined to have been carried out in his post he would have been correct, but he did not. Drop Mic.

[picks up mic]

Would Judge PinRob be swayed if we shift the hypo a bit and the borrower was reminded several times that the item was overdue, but still failed to return it?

[returns mic to mic stand]

Getting warmer! Now we are setting up “intent”. Smart man

I think it’s time to let it go. It doesn’t matter if anyone agrees with you or not. Anyone that cares has made their stance known and neither side is changing. Time to move on.

I'm still trying to figure out how I can get Judge PinRob to loan me a pin.

No kidding. It's a sweet deal because you never have to return it.

Please loan me $100k.

Do you “intend” on returning it.

Yes, it's in his will.

Oh ya, for sure, I’ll return it as soon as I’m done. Don’t worry you’ll get it back. My word is my bond.

It was implied. [Fingers crossed]

Issue resolved. Now everyone knows that if you send Mirco a playfield, he keeps it and you get a repro in return.

Let’s shut it down.

There’s no reason to shut the thread down, Mirco has said he was going to return the items in January, so the thread should be shut down after that’s happened

Anyone get their shit back yet?

I was wondering the same but it may take longer because I think it's coming from across the pond correct?

I haven't heard from Mirco since Christmas Eve. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

shipping is only a few days

If mirco is honest then some of you should already have tracking information and pictures of delivery to post office

He ships out Fed Express, should not be long.

I will finish this up.
My deal with Mirco was I supply him with a playfield(which he would keep) and he would send me a new one,and cover all costs(shipping etc)

I sent him a CFTBL and a Taxi.Both playfields had wear but I am sure they could be restored.
I was actually going to have the CFTBL restored and the Taxi I had because I already did a swap on mine.

Because I already had a new Taxi playfield,Mirco said I could pick any playfield that I wanted,I chose an AFM
The process was long(around 18 months),which I expected,and yes sometimes Mirco is hard to get a hold of,but I am sure he is busy with work,life etc

On Dec 23 I sent him my shipping info and on Jan 2 2020 I recieved my beautiful CFTBL and AFM playfields

Thank you Mirco

Rick

You wrote him?

Not yet Len I was trying to show restraint.

Anything yet guys ?
I sent Peter a Haunted House playfield about a year ago. He paid for the shipping and within 6 mnths received a new repro HH playfield. Never expected the old one back. Peter was always promp to reply during the entire process and couldnt have gone any smoother. I also purchased a Getaway playfield from him with the same results.
Reqlly hoping this has been resolved.