And stern via his subsidiary. Not sure why he keeps lying about making stern fields when it is clear that he does. How would two completely different manufactures have the exact same clear AND adhesion issues???

Thanks wrb, I hope everyone that expected their playfields returned get them back as well.

I dont know why you are having such a tough time understanding that deals are different for every single item it appears.

Mirco's post on an internet forum is not the deal. The emails, conversations, etc... are the particular deal and those are on a case by case basis.

I have emails with Mirco laying out the details of our deal. If hae been approximately 6 months and he emailed me back. So for now I am happy and wait a little longer. If he does not make good on the deal then I will put it on blast. Until then, just know that he has different deals depending on the person and pf he borrowed/ (how much he wanted it? how nice it was to start?)

TBF my last CPR PF had adhesion issues. It's not just a Micro/Stern thing.

Perhaps it is forbitten by agreement with stern, to say anything about this. Remember the sticker on the glass? Made in USA...

All what I can see: this story was sadly going in the mud. I can understand Crispins behaviour. But the thread title attacks Mirco disproportionately hard. It tells he is a criminal. The truth is: he delays very long personal agreements. Maybe he is overwhelmed with the playfield issues. He is also known in Germany for lesser customer friendly goodwill. That are maybe the matters of this plus the difference of language. Crispin is angry and want to warn everyone for Mircos bad business practices. That´s ok. But he is not criminal.

By the end Mirco shall jump over his shadow and show goodwill. Send Crispin items asap back to him. Customer relation is very important. Mirco learn this now by the hard way.

Happy christmas to all.

PS: I have no relations to Mirco.

That's the problem right there!! if micro can't make a repro in time or for whatever reason they need to send back the original playfield or parts back to the rightful owners.Not answering emails,phone calls and just falling off the grid is not an excuse,One easy word to describe this tactic is called THEFT.

Well you say you have no relations with Mirco but you certainly are a keen emissary. Maybe in Germany you have a lesser view of what constitutes criminal behaviour but after reading the experiences of so many Pinsiders through this thread I have the view that criminal is not strong enough to call out what appears appalling behaviour from what I would regard as an organisation of a poor and habitual lack of ethics, integrity and honesty.

It seems people are dismissing Highclasspinball own acknowledgement that Crispins deal was “special” and “some special agreements” are done. There is no way you can look at one post stating the originals aren’t returned and blanket that statement for every deal. Highclasspinball acknowledged that, why can’t some of you?

After reading all of this I have actually come up with a solution.

Maybe during the process the NOS pf may take scratches or other damage and returning it would be bad and just cause a problem between Mirco and the volunteer of pf.

The solution for helping Mirco make money doing this would be " You get a repro pf for sending in your NOS pf and because your original may not be in the same condition as you sent it in, Mirco gives you a second repro pf to cover the nos pf"

If you didn't want say another exact pf to cover the nos you sent in, then maybe a different pf from Mirco's catalog to cover things.

I would do this deal as it's beneficial for all parties involved. What do you think of this going forward?

-Mike

I can't agree with any part of that as being equitable.... First who in their right mind would trade a NOS PF for a Repro? Okay so the NOS may get scratched. All I can say to this is that you have just sent this to a PF producer, they CC as part of their everyday business model! So they lightly sand it, CC, buff and send it back. The hardest thing I'm having to understand is how many have posted stating they'd except a repro in place of the NOS, somebody help me with this.

Mirco needs to return the items he has. As far as lending him anything in the future I would strongly advise anyone that does lend him property to have a contract in writing with him, not that it really matters, you would have to have integrity to honor the contract. If your in the USA and he’s in Germany I don’t see how the contract would matter other than to show proof publicly that the deal was outlined. Chris showed proof he was supposed to get his property back, with no resolution yet.

Micro welcomes people to send him NOS playfields, but later in the post he only refers to KEEPING “used or damaged” playfields. Why the hell would someone send him a NOS playfield and want a fake back in return? Seems to me he probably has a different deal for receiving “new” or restored playfields.

Common sense people.

I’d be highly aggravated with the runaround he is doing too. But I can’t say that I like the thread title, as I don’t believe “Mirco Stealing playfields and plastics” is right. I find the “stealing” part hard to digest.

Beat me to it. Great minds.

Exactly.

This is NOT A LANGUAGE BARRIER. More like a HUMAN DECENCY BARRIER. You’re being a POS by not communicating with customers...no matter how bad the news is. You also have no right to keep someone’s property, especially when they’re asking for the return of it. Again, no language barrier there.

Oh, and we have this thing called the internet. Some of you may have heard about it...and this small company called GOOGLE HAS A TRANSLATOR.

Just sayin...

Sure but does cpr have clear pooling? I believe this is unique to mirco produced fields. I still think it is a subsidiary, which means technically it isn't a lie that high-class isn't producing fields for stern. Otherwise why have no Elvira been affected by pooling clear? Only jp fields have been so far, and only a small number. More jjp games are affected. It seems like stern has decided to dip their toes in the mirco juice to see if fields could be produced with significant cost savings. Well as the saying goes, you get what you pay for....

What you believe is irrelevant. Why do have such a hard on here for defending Mirco and doubting multiple pinsiders? Why are you acting like a wanna be attorney, or an arbiter of what’s fair? Or an expert in “parsing”?

Have you even read the Quicksilver thread?

If you willingly handed over something to someone- that’s not stealing. You gave them the item (albeit on loan) of your own free will. Stealing - is taking something without the owner’s consent.

Once he ghosts you and doesn’t return the item, that’s stealing! Lend your items to Mirco and then report back here in a year and a half and let us know how it’s going. Mirco could come to this thread or he could stop ghosting the people he stole from and return the items and this issue would be resolved, I know of at least one person that hasn’t received an email of intent to return the items, instead he choose to email the person a legal threat, so he has no problem with language barrier.

Again, I’d be HIGHLY aggravated and would have posted about it here too if it had happened to me. But this is not “stealing” without the owners consent.

I have no skin in this - BUT - why does Micro even need to "hang onto" any playfield or plastic set? All he should need is to hi-res scan of the original and he can simply return it.

Sounds like there is a different motive going on here (like selling a NOS one for profits?).

Again, Mirco is not responding, but once email proof was posted here he had no problem threatening Chrispin By email with a lawsuit. It goes back to integrity, there’s none. And this thread just keeps burning.

You want to play semantics on what stealing is? Cmon man....

So under your definition allowing someone to use your car (albeit on loan) as you say, would not constitute theft if they just decide to not return your vehicle all because you loaned it to them of your own free will. Perhaps not theft in the car case but certainly a crime even if just joy riding. I have a hard time with that premise.

Wow the understatement of the day.

Mirco highclassplayfields still has the personal property of many pinsiders, some for well over a year, in the case of quicksilver we know he finished the project, so at least in that case he needs to return the playfield he has not done so or even made arrangements to do so. I would call that theft!

I just find the word “stealing” hard to digest here - nothing more nothing less. I agree what has transpired between Mirco and others here is totally wrong on so many levels, but I would have worded the title of the thread differently, that’s all I’m trying to say.

"Stealing" is harsh i agree. (sarcasm)
Appropriate for the season?

What happens if I rent a car for three days when I’m on vacation, and I don’t return it for 6 months? Does the rental company file a report with the police for “slow returning”?

The poll that was included in this thread does not help your case.
I understand you are frustrated, but can we dial down the linguistic bias?
Oh my goodness, the choices are so incredibly polarizing...(edited)
In all sincerity, I hope this can all be resolved.

This was bound to happen considering the way mirco was handling his business and especially when it comes to Chris QS Playfield & plastics. The way things went down have been brought to light and now everyone can make up their own minds. Maybe now mirco will change for the better in how he deals with people. As for Chris anyone that knows him knows he is the last guy to bash anyone and goes above & beyond to avoid situations like this where he was basically out of options and was being called out on the carpet to explain his bad experience.

I’m going with Theft by Deception.

If you have a nos pf... most dont want a reproduction in its place. They'd like a repo as compensation for helping... but want their NOS item ... not trade it down for a reproduction.

The repo is always a repo...

Common sense? Your comment makes no sense in context to what I was saying.

If you lend your buddy your truck to pick up a pin, and he never gives back your truck, then are you saying your only recourse would be to ask again? Thinks again. That’s theft.

The old idea of possession is 9/10’s of the law isn’t true. If property ownership can be proved then it’s theft once the owner demands it back.

How about fraud.

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Wow, downvotes for simply pointing out that the poll was a biased, polarizing, and counterproductive?
Or was it because I mentioned Trump?

Stay classy pinside.

Possibly. No politics remember? Some people just can't help themselves though right?

We actually don’t know what the motives are, in fact we don’t care, just send back the items so these collectors can finish up their games and move on with life, I highly doubt there will be too many pinsiders that are going to contribute to Mirco in the future, it’s very unfortunate, as someone that restores games what his business provides is needed, unfortunately People like Mirco usually blame the community instead of themselves for stuff like this, we as collectors get punished because he will fold up and stop making the needed items, it’s a lose lose situation.

I’ve had moderation notices for using that 5 letter word before.

This is a great point. Beyond scanning the playfield what would he possibly need to keep it for? Scan it, send it back.

And a repro is always a repro....

It’s not stealing, it’s an unexpected transfer of ownership. So simple.

Whysnow I am glad to hear that as of now everything is okay regarding your deal with Mirco. I understand fully your points and that deals may have been done on a case by case basis. The problem I have with that is other than @crispin, no one has shown they had a deal from Mirco that he reneged on. Crispin had a verbal agreement, but even in that deal he already got his repro and may still get his original back as Mirco told him he will get it back but needed it longer in case issues arise. At this point Mirco may still fulfill his agreement with @crispin. I agree Mirco is slow and not the greatest and most responsive communicator.

Once again, can SOMEONE, ANYONE that has not received their playfield back, provide an agreement where Mirco says that the original would be returned along with a new repro???

I have not done anything that did not follow our original agreement, other than things taking longer than expected.
I will return Chris's items in January and will have the plastic sets available by that time, and if anyone else feels I have been holding their items for too long - please PM me and I will arrange their return.

If someone needs a plastic set for quicksilver please PM or email me, same if you want to be updated about Indiana Jones playfield or radcals.

I will have a new product line coming up early next year as well. The release will be probably in February.

Thanks a lot to everyone who tries to help!

Regards,
Mirco

Crispin encouraging news above!